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Roland · Apr 11, 2019

Is there any way to reset XP on death? Or remove 10 levels etc? I guess maybe.. you could have 30 unique debufs. Each debuff removes 1 level from your skills. So if you die, it's basically 10 days worth of progression, and basically gimps your character meaning you can then only ever reach 290 skill points.
Then you die again, and you can only reach 280...

That sounds feasible?

I'm still trying to figure out how to add levels. There is no code in the game presently that allows you to gain levels without earning an amount of xp to trigger that level gain. Therefore there is also no way to remove levels. Once I can get help with adding levels maybe we can look at removing them.

BTW, the game does not keep track of your overall experience. It just keeps track of how much you've earned to trigger a level up and then it forgets what you earned before and it starts the count for the next level up. So there is no overall pool of XP to subtract from in order to make the player drop a level.

On the other hand the near death buff seems to reduce your abilities in a similar way to losing levels. Maybe there would be a way to use that--make it a permanent loss instead of a 30 minute loss. (But I'm not really interested in that for my mod.)

Tin · Apr 12, 2019

I'm still trying to figure out how to add levels. There is no code in the game presently that allows you to gain levels without earning an amount of xp to trigger that level gain. Therefore there is also no way to remove levels. Once I can get help with adding levels maybe we can look at removing them.
BTW, the game does not keep track of your overall experience. It just keeps track of how much you've earned to trigger a level up and then it forgets what you earned before and it starts the count for the next level up. So there is no overall pool of XP to subtract from in order to make the player drop a level.

On the other hand the near death buff seems to reduce your abilities in a similar way to losing levels. Maybe there would be a way to use that--make it a permanent loss instead of a 30 minute loss. (But I'm not really interested in that for my mod.)

Curious as to why you need to add levels?

Is it for increasing your game stages to get the deadlier spawn quicker since it would take so long to get to the higher levels with the low xp now?

If so and everything is working in the gamestages.xml:

gameStage = ( playerLevel + daysSurvived ) * gameDifficultyMultiplier

Every day the player lives they get +1 added towards their days survived.

So at the end of your beginning quest they are lvl 7 on day 1. their gamestage is 7

You can increase the multiplier some to ramp up their gs so days survived is the driving factor, instead of player level.

example: If you set the multiplier to be (2) the next day it would be

(7 + 1) * 2 = a gs of 16

or set it to (3)

(7 + 1) * 3 = a gs of 24

day 3

(7 + 2) * 3 = a gs of 27

I guess, if it works, you could also set the multiplier to "0", then "player level" nor "days alive", would mean anything for the gamestages, and the xp would be just for leveling the player to just give perk points.

or even set the multiplier to a decimal since the game multiplier has decimals it uses as well.

haven't tested any of this yet, so just something to try..

Roland · Apr 12, 2019

Curious as to why you need to add levels?
Is it for increasing your game stages to get the deadlier spawn quicker since it would take so long to get to the higher levels with the low xp now?

If so and everything is working in the gamestages.xml:

gameStage = ( playerLevel + daysSurvived ) * gameDifficultyMultiplier

Every day the player lives they get +1 added towards their days survived.

So at the end of your beginning quest they are lvl 7 on day 1. their gamestage is 7

You can increase the multiplier some to ramp up their gs so days survived is the driving factor, instead of player level.

example: If you set the multiplier to be (2) the next day it would be

(7 + 1) * 2 = a gs of 16

or set it to (3)

(7 + 1) * 3 = a gs of 24

day 3

(7 + 2) * 3 = a gs of 27

I guess, if it works, you could also set the multiplier to "0", then "player level" nor "days alive", would mean anything for the gamestages, and the xp would be just for leveling the player to just give perk points.

or even set the multiplier to a decimal since the game multiplier has decimals it uses as well.

haven't tested any of this yet, so just something to try..

I wish it worked that way Tin. But if you read the fine print in the xml comments you will see that they went and made daysSurvived equal to your days survived or your level whichever one is least. This was borne out in my tests as I would never progress past a gamestage of 2 no matter the day or how long I survived. I could make that number higher by messing with the difficulty level multiplier but that simply made it easy on day 1 and impossible on day 2...

Gamestage is important for zombie types, bloodmoon horde size, and loot quality. My best two choices would be to either:

1) Mod the game so that earning a skillpoint gains the player a level.

I like this solution because (like it or love it) the game is keyed into the player level and making that level advance will maintain the general flavor of the game which I personally do like.

2) Mod out the player level limiter currently attached to daysSurvived.

I like this solution because it would mean just daily advancement of gamestage. This would almost make the game return to how it once was where the difficulty curve was based on the day instead of the player. I'm not against that idea.

Either one of those would be the big "problem solved" moment for my mod. My current method is flawed because even at 2% once you get high enough in levels you do start to gain xp from looting and trading which are the only two actions currently unexposed for xp gains. But to mess with gamestages would be major coding and to get a level for a skillpoint (instead of the other way around like it is in vanilla) would require SDX which I don't know and so must wait upon the good graces of anyone who does know and is willing to help.

Tin · Apr 12, 2019

I wish it worked that way Tin. But if you read the fine print in the xml comments you will see that they went and made daysSurvived equal to your days survived or your level whichever one is least. This was borne out in my tests as I would never progress past a gamestage of 2 no matter the day or how long I survived. I could make that number higher by messing with the difficulty level multiplier but that simply made it easy on day 1 and impossible on day 2...
Gamestage is important for zombie types, bloodmoon horde size, and loot quality. My best two choices would be to either:

1) Mod the game so that earning a skillpoint gains the player a level.

I like this solution because (like it or love it) the game is keyed into the player level and making that level advance will maintain the general flavor of the game which I personally do like.

2) Mod out the player level limiter currently attached to daysSurvived.

I like this solution because it would mean just daily advancement of gamestage. This would almost make the game return to how it once was where the difficulty curve was based on the day instead of the player. I'm not against that idea.

Either one of those would be the big "problem solved" moment for my mod. My current method is flawed because even at 2% once you get high enough in levels you do start to gain xp from looting and trading which are the only two actions currently unexposed for xp gains. But to mess with gamestages would be major coding and to get a level for a skillpoint (instead of the other way around like it is in vanilla) would require SDX which I don't know and so must wait upon the good graces of anyone who does know and is willing to help.

Heh, this is what I get, for not really having any time to mod that much anymore. Well cool, it saves me some time in messing with that lol.

Roland · Apr 12, 2019

It’s perplexing why they did it that way as in pretty much all cases people level considerably faster than the day’s count anyway. Even I who don’t play to level so to speak was always a higher level than the day count— so why the extra effort of code to make it so Days survived is less than it already is?

Guppycur · Apr 12, 2019

...we usually blame Gazz when we come across things like that...

Tin · Apr 12, 2019

Because Gazz numbers :smile-new:

FA_Q2 · Apr 12, 2019

It’s perplexing why they did it that way as in pretty much all cases people level considerably faster than the day’s count anyway. Even I who don’t play to level so to speak was always a higher level than the day count— so why the extra effort of code to make it so Days survived is less than it already is?

I assumed for multiplayer where a low level player may be in an older world.

Roland · Apr 12, 2019

I assumed for multiplayer where a low level player may be in an older world.

Shouldn't matter because it isn't global day count, it is personal days alive (Im pretty sure). I said "day count" above because I was assuming starting from Day 1 but someone starting from Day 100 should still have a daysAlive score of just 1.

chikorina · Apr 13, 2019

A friend and I tried this mod out today, but can't seem to get the daily skill points to work.

The no death animation works, I get a level and a skill point from trader quests, I have a purple xp bleeding buff counting down from 60 minutes.

When the buff count goes down to 0, nothing happens, I just get the same buff over again.

It said in the read me, that you need SDX for something, so I ran it through the SDX launcher, but still didn't get the daily skill points.

I didn't die, and I have the xp multiplier set to 2%.

Is there anyone who knows what I might be doing wrong?

Guppycur · Apr 13, 2019

Did the launcher give any compile messages when compiling the script file?

chikorina · Apr 13, 2019

I saw something, would there be a log somewhere? It's not there anymore after I closed it once. There was a warning that said something about the localization and how it had a bomb in it.

Got rid of the warning, and am trying it out. I hope that fixed it.

Roland · Apr 14, 2019

I saw something, would there be a log somewhere? It's not there anymore after I closed it once. There was a warning that said something about the localization and how it had a bomb in it.
Got rid of the warning, and am trying it out. I hope that fixed it.

Please let us know how you fixed it in case others get the same problem. Here's hoping it works for you.

chikorina · Apr 14, 2019

I'm sure that the BOM warning was just my thing. And it didn't fix not getting the daily skill point. There were no errors or warnings when I compiled it, so I have no idea how to make it work. Everything else seems to be working fine.

Roland · Apr 14, 2019

When you first load into the world open the console and scroll up to the top and see if there is any red or yellow text. It should give a message saying trying to load the script and then successfully loading the script.

chikorina · Apr 14, 2019

When you first load into the world open the console and scroll up to the top and see if there is any red or yellow text. It should give a message saying trying to load the script and then successfully loading the script.

Everything seems to have successfully loaded...

Guppycur · Apr 14, 2019

I'm not seeing the script get compiled. Latest version of the mod Launcher?

Roland, does the mod also have a mod.xml?

chikorina · Apr 14, 2019

I have 0.7.4.1105682. Is that an old version?

None of these mods appear on the mods list on the launcher.

The ModInfo xml looks like this, if that's what you need.

Guppycur · Apr 14, 2019

So you're compiling using the sdx launcher, not the mod launcher, ok. Does it also have a mod.xml file?

Roland · Apr 14, 2019

I uploaded the mod.xml file to the skillpoint generator folder on github. I must have missed it. Hopefully that will do it. Here is what is inside the mod.xml if anyone wants to correct anything that is incorrect:

Code:

&lt;mod&gt;
&lt;info&gt;
	&lt;author&gt;Guppycur&lt;/author&gt;
	&lt;name&gt;Skillpoint Generator&lt;/name&gt;
	&lt;description&gt;Adds a skillpoint after a predetermined length of time&lt;/description&gt;
	&lt;mod_version&gt;1.0&lt;/mod_version&gt;
	&lt;game_version&gt;17.2&lt;/game_version&gt;
	&lt;launcher_version&gt;0.0.0&lt;/launcher_version&gt;
&lt;/info&gt;
&lt;/mod&gt;

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