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I don't see what it matters really if they did or didn't. Still doesn't change the fact that we don't have a clue what is going on besides speculations. How does one know that they do or don't have a separate financial system for outside companies? So if they was to file bankruptcy the outside company is still safe and such. I have no clue and neither does anyone else here. I have seen people file bankruptcy and not lose everything and not even touch a dime in the bank accounts. They do have different kinds of bankruptcy so even if they did do we know how they filed? No we don't, so we can speculate all day every day but until someone that matters comes along that is all it is just speculation. So be negative all you wish or be positive but as I said before and this isn't really towards the one being negative but towards those that are negative and say they are done. If you are done see ya don't let the door hit ya on the way out nobody here cares.
Let me say this one last time. TELLTALE IS NOT FINISHING THIS GAME. The importance of a random indie title in the grand scheme if their current situation is low beyond getting money to pay their own people. The contracts they have to work are the contracts they have for THEIR OWN WORKERS.

The only way this version of this game is going to be finished with with another publisher. If you want to cut negarivity. Out of the forums and out of this situation, then you need to grow up. The entire situation is negative. The entire handling of the situation has been negative. You want live under rainbows and sunshine fine. You'll be the one even more disappointed when things don't work out they way you expect.

 
Let me say this one last time. TELLTALE IS NOT FINISHING THIS GAME. The importance of a random indie title in the grand scheme if their current situation is low beyond getting money to pay their own people. The contracts they have to work are the contracts they have for THEIR OWN WORKERS.
The only way this version of this game is going to be finished with with another publisher. If you want to cut negarivity. Out of the forums and out of this situation, then you need to grow up. The entire situation is negative. The entire handling of the situation has been negative. You want live under rainbows and sunshine fine. You'll be the one even more disappointed when things don't work out they way you expect.
Lmao just because you are negative person and only want to see things one way that is all on you bruv. Just because someone looks at things in a positive way doesn't mean they get disappointed when something doesn't happen a specific way. Someone can have a positive attitude and still not be let down on things just because you don't know how to that doesn't mean it can't be done. Seems like with that negative attitude you got you still only reading what you wish to out everything and get all bent out of shape. Hope that works out for you because update or not I'm happy and good where I'm at.

 
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Lmao just because you are negative person and only want to see things one way that is all on you bruv. Just because someone looks at things in a positive way doesn't mean they get disappointed when something doesn't happen a specific way. Someone can have a positive attitude and still not be let down on things just because you don't know how to that doesn't mean it can't be done. Seems like with that negative attitude you got you still only reading what you wish to out everything and get all bent out of shape. Hope that works out for you because update or not I'm happy and good where I'm at.
Good luck keeping hold of the this life. Keep in mind, with the little bit of info we have, any view of what is going to happen is reading things they way we want. Positive or negative.

 
Good luck keeping hold of the this life. Keep in mind, with the little bit of info we have, any view of what is going to happen is reading things they way we want. Positive or negative.
Been doing a great job 36 years of my life. But thanks for your concerns. :)

 
The point was that even Minecraft does not allow both split screen and online multiplayer at the same time online with other people outside the one console.
You are 100% WRONG by the way. The point is, Minecraft DOES allow split-screen and online play. I've done it before, do I need to post a picture to prove you wrong because I very well can.

Also, that would be why there is a MINIGAMES option of play which, by the way, you can play with 4 PEOPLE SPLIT-SCREEN, ONLINE so dude, try again, and make sure you check your sources against me! Try playing the game yourself even.

Online Splitscreen can only be played using Gold and Guest accounts. Guest accounts can only be signed in at the start of a session; they cannot join existing sessions. They can only be an Xbox Live account. So it is rather limited.
So you are only looking at crappy xbox and their side of things? We Playstation users don't have "Gold accounts" they are called Ps Plus which you stated nothing about. I'm not sure what crap Xbox can't do, but Playstation can play multiplayer split-screen online. CHECK YOUR FACTS BEFORE YOU TALK TO ME because you sound very uneducated about the subject at hand.

The point was that Ark does not allow either split-screen play, or split-screen with online play at the same time. You apparently missed this point entirely. The comment you are quoting is about Split screen with joining other online at the same time.
I have played Ark split-screen with my girlfriend and online with my sister in another room, on another PS4 system completely. So it IS very well possible. I read the comment I was quoting thoroughly I know how games work bud, do you?

It looks a hell of a lot better when you actually know what you're talking about when you're replying to people on the forum. From the looks of things, you don't even know what you're replying to because you didn't bother to actually read the context. Who has a pie in the face now? (btw, the cake is a lie...)
Yes it does look good when you know what you are talking about. Maybe YOU should try it sometime. :eagerness:

 
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I appreciate your response, however, if you look back to the initial post and the subsequent responses, you will find that what was being asked for was not just multiplayer. They were asking for split screen and online at the same time. You asked about other games, that while they do both offer multiplayer options, they do not allow split screen access while playing online.
Sorry to say this, but you're wrong, dude. The games I mentioned do allow split-screen and online play at the same time. Sure maybe with some limitations, but it still works and is there. Thanks for your response, but I know what I am talking about and you are wrong.

 
Some updates would be nice on the progress of the game
It would, but until they sort everything out, they won't be able to do so. All that's been said is that the update will happen and a significant amount of work has been done on it already. We just have to be patient.

 
Heard about the TTG layoffs and came here, saw the post from TFP, and naturally Iron Galaxy has nothing to say to anybody.

@CrazyWildFire - I wish i could share your positivity, but i've dealt with developers before who found themselves saying nothing and refusing to respond on a normal basis. Trendy Entertainment with Dungeon defenders 1, After telling the console players that the new playable characters would come, over a year of silence before they finally found themselves having to tell console players that, well, the characters aint coming. Cyberstep initially commented on the insane lag issues of their game Onigiri, and now they literally ignore all comments, probably because they are no longer caring to, they have a small dedicated playerbase that is still throwing their money at the game. Game still laggy as all hell 3 or so years later (when i got 250mb down/up internet, i tested it again, didn't feel different.)

The game has been off my console ever since i last posted here. I have very fast internet so re-downloading wouldn't be an issue, but is this the kind of company anyone should want to stay invested in? And yes I get TFP have nothing to do with console but that's also the problem. The people who own this franchise don't care at all about how it's butchered making it to console, whether the console playerbase is happy with the product that their name is on, and the best they got in this (to the community, terrifying) situation is a "we'll support this games future IF we can?" As far as TFP know, we could all be super happy with our xbox and ps4 versions, as they don't ever spare any time to see how many people is complaining, and even if they see, they give no feedback that anyone's concerns are actually taking into consideration.

Last time I posted here month(s) ago, CrazyWildfire told me and is currently telling noot that crying and bickering and flooding this forum with negativity isn't going to help anything. Problem is, the negative feedback for developers is the most important. I don't need to know that you ARE happy with my product, i need to know that you AREN'T and WHY so i can make sure that in the future you WILL be happy with the product. If flooding this forum actually has no impact, i will not forget the name The Fun Pimps much like i have never forgot Trendy Entertainment and Cyberstep, two companies that has seen no further money from me (and man did i want some of those dd2 characters.) While TFP isn't as experienced in business or as well-known as capcom, definitely a smaller company, their can be some leniency the playerbase should give for some issues. But, how far does that need to go? How long has Alpha 17 been delayed on PC since it's originally announced timeframe? They had a date, that date is passed... and now they are popping up with more content for Alpha 17 like the gyrocopter? So sure, offer them leniency when i'm certain that people prefer constant updates that are smaller in size rather then waiting over a year for one big update (i suspect a minimum of 25% of players have already given up on awaiting the next update, probably across all platforms). I for one couldn't care when we can expect this update because It's already been far longer then i would like to see one bug fix, and over this ridiculous amount of time for an update their is no statement, even a vague one, that this one bug will be fixed anyway. Why wait longer for an unplayable game to still be unplayable. Hell, for all i know IG and TFP probably think the MD5 error isn't a big deal, people are still playing their game for some unknown reason. Probably because a quality product backed by a good company doesn't matter to people anymore these days. I for one don't care to force close my game every 30 minutes, delete my local save, and reload the game, invite my friends who will lose around an hour (in-game time) just to repeat that process in another 30 minutes.

For all those who don't realize, this forum is your customer service. At this point, TFP/IG customer service isn't just not picking up your calls, they literally have the phone off the hook so they don't know your calling.

 
Hello .... I want to say that it's fine whatever you do we know you will strive for greatness so many don't understand this or understand that whatever happens don't lose hope never give up strive harder we believe in who evers hands that it is in it would go good don't make rumors up.. Thier there no problem about it much love for the CONSOLE VERSION and PC. I am the SILENT KILLER OF 7 DAYS TO DIE ......BECAREFUL THERES A SILENT KILLER LOOSE IN NAVEZGANE

 
@AmishMan53

1: supporting them is totally up to the person. Nobody can make one support or don't. What difference would it make before all this happened for TFP to say anything? They wouldn't be able to change anything as at the time was all up to TT. Why would IG come in and say anything all they are doing is porting. People may feel this or that but facts are facts and at the end of the day it will come back to how you see it no matter how things are. So far when it comes to TFP they have made millions in gross sales so I say loads of people still stand by this small team.

2: why would I want to be negative? Especially over a video game? If something different happens then so be it more important things in this world to get upset over then a video game. People can give feed back and not be ♥♥♥♥heads about it. I will agree everyone including myself can be given negative feedback but it can be done in a positive way. When someone comes at me negative like that I just laugh and see what I can do to piss them off more. At that point I don't care what you think. The world isn't perfect not everyone is going to agree with one another I get that but we can help the way we do things. When I step in and say enough with the negative feedback nobody cares is more about the ones that want to say they are done with the game and such. I can tell you if you are done then be done because nobody cares. Also it is against the forum rules to say you are done and say good bye or whatever so got that as well. Maybe that is what I should say and not say nobody cares but oh well.

3: so over all gove feedback and share the problems one might have but do it in a more positive manner. If you don't then don't expect others to be supportive or to be nice back. The developers are people with lives as well..... this is up to the person but try to think positive if something doesn't work out or go the way it was supposed to then don't get mad it is just a game but again that is up to that person.... TFP have made a statement recently give them a chance to get all this mess straightened out to see what they will do. This kind of thing will take time it will not happen over night so give them some time..... take what you wish from what I say I'm just another player here on the forums so I'm nobody. But myself from my life i have enough to get mad and upset about in this world then a video game. Same at work it is just a job more important things in life to worry about. But again that is just me and it has gotten me pretty darn far in life so....

 
To be fair, as much as whining and complaining and acting the victim doesn't help.

Gotta suck to be an Xbox player.

Red dead in a day or so mate, chin up.

 
If you look at most of my posts over the years since i got the game, they weren't generally negative. I did my part, intentionally taking an MD5 to closely pay attention to everything i can so i can give feedback. At the time i did this their was a workaround that i intentionally didn't do to ensure i was MD5'd so that my report would have no falsehood or incorrect data. So at this point i'm several years waiting, and you want me to be nice? I don't take theft lightly, and the common scheme behind theft is to accept payment for something and not deliver, furthermore ignoring calls or attempts to contact because, well you just stole from them. This isn't much different. I was sold a product that doesn't work as intended, and i can't get support for my issue. So yes, i have no issues being a ****head. I wasn't before but sure will be now.

Boycotting doesn't work well if just one person does it. I'm no longer here to support the game (shocking) but rather to support a different cause: The act of not supporting. The act of expecting quality that i'm surprised at the age of 35 (minimum, not sure your actual age) you don't have. I'm younger then you at the age of 31, and i remember the Atari 2600, NES, SNES and so on, and in those days games that weren't quality made didn't do so well. In fact do you know what the Nintendo Seal of Quality is? When the SNES hit, nintendo had a emblem on their game cases, not all were developed by them, but it said this game is well made. It was customer reassurance that I'm getting none of from these companies. It's become standard nowadays to release games broken and just fix them later, and when inexperienced dev teams do this, THIS happens. They come into a major bug that they don't know how to fix. But yeah, they made millions, and because everything is sunshine and rainbows AFTER the fact, they will do it again, make the same mistake again. You can keep spouting it's not TFP's fault, but it is. Have you ever dealt with wal-mart? 90% of what they sale isn't theirs, some things have to be taken up with the manufacturer, some things they handle themselves. Think of IG as wal-mart and TFP as the manufacturer. If wal-mart doesn't take care of my issue or it's something they can't, i can contact the manufacturer and in most cases they will help, sometimes at more expense to be because warranty and what not, but they help. I wouldn't doubt if some developers would look at this like "we can make the bug-fix DLC as a way to make them pay for their updated product (as if it broke due to aging) to be fixed"

You are just one person, whose being super vocal about not wanting to read our complaints. People have a right to be upset. People should be polite about some issues, some mistakes are honest mistakes. I've had my time being polite, as i'm sure some others have. Now, i don't care. TTG didn't make enough money doing what they do, and now Clare doesn't have a job. You think maybe, JUST MAYBE, it has something to do with her employer not making good business decisions? All the people at IG and TFP are people with lives and their own worries, and we should just let their employer ruin their lives for them rather then give them a rough month. But honestly, everthing in that last sentence i just said is hella inaccurate. Can't ruin their day or give them a rough month if they don't ever have to see my complaints right? Can't save the people who are simply doing their job (like Clare) because the companies over them don't care.

Now ultimately it comes full circle. I'd rather them be able to keep their jobs, but at this point i'd rather nobody support these companies in the future, which is a bit of a conundrum. Theirs alternatives, everyone get together and donate 5 bucks to the team of people who were the tools for the job (the programmers, not CEO or manager level people) after they lose their jobs to give them plenty of money while they look for a new one. I'm much more willing to throw away 20 dollars to a good cause then to spend 20 with expectations of some kind of return. This is more about morals then it is about the money. I bought a wii U less then a year ago and 1 game, mario maker, and haven't found a use for the console since. Money lost isn't an issue, only thing that sucks is digital games can't be resold to something like gamestop, so i get no ROI. Considering i'm speaking of boycotting, to be banned from the forum by someone who isn't just a forum mod would be amazing. It would tell me they actually come here to read and do see our complaints, but on the flipside it also means they don't care to spend even a couple minutes responding to peoples complaints and just want to save themselves.

@CrazyWildFire Assuming you've read up until this point, i actually have no problems with you. In every way i respect your position on this. You've grown up under different circumstances than I, live somewhere different then I, dealt with different types of people then I, and I know how much that shapes a person. I have other things to worry about in life then this game, but like i said above, this is no longer about the game. Its much more important now then ever to hold people accountable. In the past, i could have gone to wal-mart knowing my game wasn't going to be fixed (can't patch NES or SNES games back then) and return it for a full refund, and that simple act would have reflected on their pay. Enough people do it, and they don't make money, and go out of business. No Man's Sky is the hilarious complete opposite fact. It released, and nearly 90% of it wasn't what was expected by the customers, a lot of it was blatant lies. Even still, they made so much money off of initial sales that they were able to support it for an additional 2 years and how they spent that time was fixing the game and bringing it to what it was supposed to be. Not all developers are going to do the same. A major issue i have, which probably is somewhat in the minority, is this whole release a game broken, fix it later thing. The game starts out as a headache, i stop playing it, then later when it's fixed i no longer care enough and have other games to play. It's like buying a vacuum cleaner because my house is a wreck only to find out that the bag it uses hasn't been made yet and i have to wait two years to clean my house. Well, by then, i'm used to living in dirt, so i don't bother getting that bag. This game is mostly likely to be a prime example, as of january their's the tales of vesperia definitive edition and resident evil 2 remakes coming, and if this patch comes anywhere near that timeframe, fixes MD5 and gives us Alpha 16 as a whole, it won't matter. I've put over 200 hours into tales and over 50 hours into RE2's original releases, and both of those i haven't played in a good while. The companies behind them, i'm confident they won't have any game breaking bugs, and if they do, would probably be fixed within a week of release.

On another note, i'm one of the few people who isn't excited about Red dead 2. The original wasn't bad, but i'm just a person who would prefer modern GTA over the cowboy gunslinger style.

 
You've got a lot of good points AmishMan53. I totally get why people on xbox are so pissed at this game.

Whoever's fault it may be, iron galaxy since they are porting it, microsofts hardware/saving system, whatever the case is.

Obviously this game should have been a ps4 exclusive. I could only imagine dealing with the problems you xbox players have, i'd be royally pissed too.

If we ever do get this update, it was said it could possibly fix many of the problems that plagued xbox. Ill be honest, this was what i was ooking forward to the most, so you xbox guys & gals could experience the game as we ps4 peeps do. However as you said, too little, too late. Totally get it brother. No one blames you.

It's easy for us who dont have these problems to quickly defend the game, because we do love it & feel passionately about its success & it's uncertain future.

Good luck in whatever you decide to do man. I will hold onto the optimistic ideas that the game isnt dead, it will still be supported, & it'll continue to be optimized as necessary. I just love this game & wanna see it continue to grow.

I may be kidding myself but....oh well i guess. Isnt the 1st time, wont be the last, lol. 😩

 
@AmishMan53

If it makes ya smile I have no issues with you or anyone else as a person. Nothing anyone has done here has been enough for me to hate anyone here. Do I agree all the time hell no but doesn't mean I don't like anyone here. Not saying you said I did or anything just sayin is all.

I get what ya are saying trust me I do. To be honest i get what a bunch of people say because I put mind set to think outside the box to try to figure out another side. As I said doesn't mean I will always agree and such.

As I said before I have no issues personally with feedback even if it isn't good. But out of respect towards others everything has a place and time for it. Just like anywhere else for starters 99% of places have some kind of rules. One of many rules here is don't come publicly and announce you are done and give the good bye speech. That is what I'm saying they don't care and neither does anyone else here care just like most people don't care about this going back and forth stuff. We are and have been way off topic but another rule stay on topic. Now I'm just as bad as the next person so when it comes to this I'm guilty also. Goes back to everything has a place and time for it. When it isn't the time and place then guess what they are not going to care and neither does most other people. Coming here to try and get your money back isn't the place nor is it the time. I can place money on it that they are not going to give you money back.

I'm not saying be nice and suck up to them. I understand completely you and a bunch of others (most of those being xbox players) are mad and I truly don't blame any of you for being that way. But again time and place for all that. I'm just being honest and agree or disagree but if this isn't the right place all one does is push trash down other players mouths because if it isn't the right place the developers are most likely not going to see it or pay any attention to it so it is us here on the forums that got to see and a good majority don't care. So I get what one tries to do and I'm not saying everyone or you but most people come to troll and this goes back to the place and time. Most are going to look at it as being a troll and not care.

As far as back in the day goes with games. So many games had bugs and glitches only difference was people didn't see them that way. Take Mario bros. Stage 2 in the tunnels the wall glitch to get on top. People didn't think back then that this is a bug/glitch and I shouldn't be doing it or whatever. I know so many and I can tell ya back then I didn't think much about it when coming across bugs/glitches. I agree cames was better back then as far as having a complete game. But these small gaming company's would have no chance at all. So I have no issues with them doing what they can. TFP have not once given up and stopped tring so all this trial and error stuff I'm ok with. They wasn't over the console at the time so sure if you wish to blame them go for it but it isn't their fault. Now I say with what is going on try and see what they end up doing. If you don't want to then I'm really not sure why on earth one would be sticking around for because it is clear they are not being worked with from the developers. They only getting interactions from other forum users and some mods of a forum.

@AmishMan53 I know not everything I said was about or towards you personally some of what i say is just in general so don't read to much into it if you feel you didn't say this or that or feel this or that. :)

All in all just really saying everything has a place and time for it and also remember the forums rules and such.

 
@crazywildfire Don't know if i'm rusty on mario tech, but getting on top of stage 2 in the original mario bros led to the warp pipes that take you to worlds 2, 3, and 4. Considering the text that pops up and going their legitly meant using the rising and falling platforms to jump on top, this was an intended secret. If your speaking of the glitch that allows you to go to level -1, then i get what your saying. That was a rare bug for anyone to run into in the past as it involves a pixel perfect jump into the wall, and when your at the warp pipes you can't allow screen to scroll enough for the text to come up, as that prevents the pipe from taking you to -1. The primary reasons this wouldn't bother people in any day and age is simply because it's hard enough to perform intentionally and once you understand the bug, it literally takes no time to avoid on the off chance you do clip through the wall. If your speaking of neither of these, please link a video because that's the only major things i know that's notable in mario bros. 1-2.

You did say not everything was about or towards me, but as a just in case, my purpose here should now obviously not be one of screaming "i'm done with the game," but rather encouraging others, and not just with these companies, to really consider how they like to be treated by companies that they are giving money to. Nobody purchases a game thinking they are going to have to wait a year or more from the release date to be able to play it. Pre-ordering would serve little purpose other then to get some additional goodies. I like your optimisms and hopes for this game, and i would like for the people under management level within these companies to not have their time feel wasted, but your view is from a person who has the game on multiple platforms, and if this fails you both seem happy to support the companies and still have a fine working version of the game, and this is the case for a lot of people here. Refunds certainly are out of the question and, unfortunately, this kind of bug that warrants refunds is something you wouldn't run into in a time-frame since buying the game to get the refund all too easily. On top of that, some people like me do understand that some things can slip and will give time for a fix, much like i have, which is another route to guaranteeing that you won't get a refund when you do finally realize... it isn't getting fixed.

Now for the core of your post, time and place. As i did just say, refunds are out of the question, but is one of those things that a company can offer as a resolution to someones issues with their product. Because of policy, the only person who would be able to offer me this is someone at manager level or higher, anyone below would have to stick to whatever the base policy is. This, however, would be a great route to take with someone like me. I'm pretty darn good at forgiving and forgetting, and my view on them offering a refund outside of policy would tell me "we are sorry we let you down, we can't fix your product and made a mistake, but at this point this is our only possible course of action as we tried to fix MD5 and failed." Then later down the line when 7 days 2 comes out, i would probably wait before buying it, but i'd be willing to after seeing how the games post-launch went. Down to time and place, as i said refunds are so unlikely i'm not going to contact TFP or IG as i doubt i'll get a pass on policy. Currently anyone wanting to know about patch stuff would come to news and announcements and probably this thread as it's most active. I'm not good with advertising or even setting up a blogsite, don't have means to record decent quality video for youtube, and as far as making a speech in a public manner... not sure where that would fit outside the internet. I can't exactly rally people in front of their headquarters, so that's basically what i'm doing here. I'm using their space to protest, holding my sign up and chanting "customer is always right" or some stupid crap lol. Not sure what the slogan would be, needs to be a bit catchier then that.

I've always been pretty big to adhering to forum rules. When i did my self-mutilation MD5 research for science, i had come to one of these threads a bit off topic to inform Clare that my post on the MD5 was up in bug reports. I didn't go spouting my findings here, i went to the right section of the forum. In terms of being polite, my posts have mostly adhered to this, in fact i'm fairly certain the only thing i've done aside from being "on topic" was semi-quote your censored ****head remark, which is quite ironic cuz that's really been the only moment i've been a real ****head, stating i will be one. While this entire conversation has been mostly off-topic, not talking about the current upcoming patch very specifically, i'm not currently in a state of mind to care much about this kind of forum rule. In fact, i haven't posted nearly as much as i could over the years, and mostly because of the person i am. It's simply improper to come to this kind of thread and talk about anything other then the patch, and for that i had mostly ever just gave my one-time opinion or asked a question and then, done. I have my own friends that i played the game with and it's enough for me to get my 7 days related discussions out of the way with them rather then the folk here who i know very, very little. And of course, i'm sure somewhere in the fine print of forum rules theirs something against attempts to start a boycotting revolution of any size or proportion, and for that i'm way out of line, happily-so.

@Outlaw_187 If i were to say something along the lines of "as little as you people mean to me, i don't want to start an arguement," what kind of interpretation would you get from that sentence? I'm asking you directly because, to me, i would assume the person saying this to be a complete ass. The proper interpretation as i came up with said sentence would be "look guys, we don't have much of an impact on each other outside this forum, lets have a proper discussion rather then argue over some video game." Correct me if i'm wrong, but i feel your the guy who comes up with the latter sentence after a good rereading to himself the first sentence. What i mean by that is.. it almost seems like your avoiding potential confrontation (and doing good to lol, i can't argue with "i agree" or "i understand"). I'm a very logical thinker. Not so much a psychologist so if you say everything you said is all you actually wanted to say, then i will simply say ok. I just want you to understand that i don't post my emotions, but more-so post about my emotion. This means that while i address any of the forum goers here, it will never be unconstructive or offensive. To the very least, anything that sounds offensive isn't meant to be. My "beef" isn't with anyone here.

With that note: I would like to hear what disagreements you may have, even if it's from your POV. I kept my 7 days tabs open for a only about a week after my last visits post, and before that it had been awhile since i was frequenting these forums. I don't doubt that their may have been some things i have missed in those absent months. I do have one particular statement of yours i want to address: This game should have been a ps4 exclusive. I don't disagree entirely, but i don't feel for one second that the games issues are at the core an xbox issue. Proof i may not have currently, but if anyone has an xbox one X and can confirm that they have been hit by MD5 on that particular machine, that would immediately prove it's not a hardware issue. After all, the X is more powerful then the standard PS4. I honestly should look up Xbox vs PS4 specs but i'm running on very little sleep atm. To clarify, the developers being inexperienced is the reason i believe it should be an exclusive, and i feel that had someone like capcom or namco built this game, these issues wouldn't arise on xbox, and with that it shouldn't be exclusive. I hate exclusives with a passion, and i have a ps4 specifically because the tales franchise had mostly been sony exclusives. I feel tho, exclusives have purpose, not sure the tales franchise would continue hitting the west without them as i presume that's how they've ensured making enough money to send them to the west.

@all: just wanting to say that as much as i have proofread this wall of text i'm tired as all hell right now. So i'm posting this with acknowledgement that some points may not be as clear as i generally like to be, or some points may have much more unnecessary detail that i just can't think on how to shorten it up a bit. For this, i apologize. Ima nap now

 
@ AmishMan53: The whole point of my reply was just to relay that i honestly sympathize with you xbox players. Every or almost every complaint on these forums have strictly been from xbox users. Just trying to emphasize that its BS you guys have the experience you have, thats all.

Yeah i'm not trying to beef with anyone, just trying to understand from your points of view & how'd i feel if my game didnt perform to expectations. Its been said numerous times the biggest part of the MD5 craze is due to microsofts save functions, has nothing to do with the machine itself. As you said, xbox one x is more powerful that ps4, but the ps4 version runs as intended.

I hear ya bout the lack of sleep stuff, i work nightshift so i totally get ya there, lol.

Yes id rather we all have civil discussions but also realize we arent always gonna agree on everything. Just giving respect is all. Trying to be as open minded as i can.

Oh and as far as the "off topic stuff", i cant stand when we as forum members are "yelled at" for being off topic. The reason we are here and our disussions are about this game, which we do just fine.

Just go to the pc disussion in the "Alpha 17 developers diary" section. They go so off topic there all the time, talking about rediculous topics, postic stupid meme pics, etc. that has ZERO to do with the game. Nothing is ever said to them.

THAT pisses me off, lol. Anyhow, sorry bout my rant guys. Respect to everyone, just some of my opinions. Long live 7 Days to Die!!!

 
Just go to the pc disussion in the "Alpha 17 developers diary" section. They go so off topic there all the time, talking about rediculous topics, postic stupid meme pics, etc. that has ZERO to do with the game. Nothing is ever said to them.
THAT pisses me off, lol. Anyhow, sorry bout my rant guys. Respect to everyone, just some of my opinions. Long live 7 Days to Die!!!
Yeah, but you should see what we clean out.

I mean, it's really too much to keep track of on a regular basis without making it a full time job. We do go in and split/remove stuff when it gets too far astray though.

 
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