A New Chapter for The Fun Pimps and 7 Days to Die

[ALEXZANDER]

Bro you're so bored with the PVE content offered you're building up random useless POIs and forced to play with mods to keep yourself and your viewers entertained. When I was looking at other content creators videos I stumbled upon one dude that appears to be using a shovel as his only weapon to create some form of challenge to the game. Another large creator said the game became incredibly stale and has since switched back to Minecraft. ■■■■ing Minecraft mate.

PVP has the potential to add countless hours of unpredictable content to the game. Currently reaching end game in 7DTD is effortless and once you've reached end game content there is virtually no challenge left. You can set the difficulty to insane and start a T6 POI on horde night utilizing only what you pick up in the POI for weapons and never feel as if you're in danger of dying. There is no challenge except for that first 24 hours of you spawning in.

PVE is over once you learn the game mechanics, optimize your base, and beat the environmental challenges. The experience starts to plateau quickly. PVP removes that ceiling as each encounter is wicked different. Instead of predictable Z's every encounter is a player with different goals, skill levels, and strategies. That unpredictability means no two sessions feel the same. Every player base is unique and it's unlikely you'll encounter the same POI twice. That being said, the same generic tower design seems prominent on PVP servers in 7DTD. I personally don't PVP in 7DTD as it's blatantly obvious the game doesn't inherently support it, but this game has tremendous potential as a hybrid PVE/PVP game.

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[bdubyah]

they are just living under the cover, they have pvp at heart they just need to come clean about it!

No, they don't. I'm sure some of the fixes they've made help PVP, but they also just help the game in general. What fixes did you see they specifically pointed to PVP as to why they fixed it? I'll wait. You are delusional.

PVP has the potential to add countless hours of unpredictable content to the game.

For who, though? Not everyone enjoys the scenarios Roland mentioned some posts up. I've never been a fan on PVP in games like this where you can lose hours of work when you're not even online to defend it. Felt the same way when I played ARK a bunch. There was no way I'd play on a PVP server where dinos that took literal hours to tame could be gone in an instant. If that's "content" to you, cool. But it isn't to me and I don't want TFP to spend any time on that as it doesn't benefit me at all. And as much as Grandpa Minion likes to make up stats, I'd bet PVPers are quite the minority in this game, so why would TFP cater to them? Just give me bandits, more quests, and if time permits other new stuff like the raft, helicopter, or new biomes. Anything that adds to game I play, which anything PVP-oriented would not do.

 

[Morloc]

PVE is over once you learn the game mechanics

Jeeze no. Crank difficulty to Insane and drop loot to the minimum 25%? (I wonder if there's a mod that'd set it to like 5%) Limit firearm use to Bears, Dire Wolves and horde night.
Place your home in the Wasteland as soon as you can survive there (no cheese).
You will die on occasion if not careful. You'll die even if you are careful.

Blue & Gold Wights, Mutants and Cops will all ruin your day.

 

[Eduho]

A swamp biome would be great

 

[Grandpa Minion]

Jeeze no. Crank difficulty to Insane and drop loot to the minimum 25%? (I wonder if there's a mod that'd set it to like 5%) Limit firearm use to Bears, Dire Wolves and horde night.
Place your home in the Wasteland as soon as you can survive there (no cheese).
You will die on occasion if not careful. You'll die even if you are careful.

Blue & Gold Wights, Mutants and Cops will all ruin your day.

they going be selling you dlcs to make pve more challenging to keep people interested..
there is no bandit or dlc that can replicate what another real person can do, and thats free.

Post in thread '[NAPVP] AMERICA VIDEOS'

Friday at 8:40 AM

LoneRider​

2.6 NAPVP FOOTAGE

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[meganoth]

Lets make an inofficial limited poll among us forum users, see if a recent claim has any basis in reality:

If there is a difficulty setting in 7D2D (without mods) where zombies are a danger to you, like this post with

If even insane and maybe reduced loot can't give you any challenge on the other hand, like this post with

 

[IzPrebuilt]

Lets make an inofficial limited poll among us forum users, see if a recent claim has any basis in reality:

If there is a difficulty setting in 7D2D (without mods) where zombies are a danger to you, like this post with

If even insane and maybe reduced loot can't give you any challenge on the other hand, like this post with

Insane/Nightmare/Feral Sense/Max Block Damage

And that's just with the vanilla settings we have now. With Sandbox Siege and stuff like Headshots only there's no shot you can't make the PVE game absolutely agonizing.

It's also worth noting that for like 90% of the player base, Insane Nightmare alone is practically impossible because they have lives and play other games.

I really don't get wanting to PVP in 7dtd, I can't see anything it does PVP-wise that DayZ, Rust or Ark wouldn't do better. Or better yet, an actual dedicated PVP game with dedicated PVP balancing, matchmaking and ranking systems or even a professional league. I refuse to suggest one of those because I'll start a gang war but you get the idea.

 

[HammerDano]

At one point PVP was a part of the game, so much so that "we" still have multiple achievements for it all these years later. Maybe they should remove the achievements for PVP? it's a small thing I have seen people asking about adding or changing the achievements for years. I agree that they decided a long time ago to go in a different direction, but, I don't blame GM for wanting to keep it alive.

 

[Jost Amman]

Lets make an inofficial limited poll among us forum users, see if a recent claim has any basis in reality:

If there is a difficulty setting in 7D2D (without mods) where zombies are a danger to you, like this post with

If even insane and maybe reduced loot can't give you any challenge on the other hand, like this post with

Hi meganoth, I'd like to report to you a post for click-bait violation...

 

[Morloc]

there is no bandit or dlc that can replicate what another real person can do, and thats free.

I really want a game now that I don't need to depend on anyone for the experience. If I want to go to bed at 12:43, I can do so without shame or guilt or other consequences.
That said, I have nothing against those that want to PvP with 7D2D, but the devs have expressed (afaik) that PvP is low priority. We can hope that it's a priority that'll eventually receive some love, and expressing interest here keeps that thought alive.

 

[Roland]

There is no bandit or dlc that can replicate what another real person can do, and thats free.

That’s why PVP is inferior. The devs can gamestage the bandits to make sure the player has a challenging but not impossible fight vs bandits. In your video, the very first head to head shown is a fully equipped player jumping down and blasting a naked dude. No wonder you cut to to the next scene in the montage before the backpack was opened revealing a stone axe…

Maybe Behaviour with their PVP friendly devs will suggest an option for bandits to spawn camp. Wouldn’t that be fun and deliver that typical PVP feeling? AI predicts it will be so…

 

[plzkthxbye]

I have nothing against PvP in this game, and I'm all for it getting love, but only if there are literally zero compromises the primary PvE side would have to make for it. I personally have zero interest for PvP in this game.

 

[Grandpa Minion]

I really don't get wanting to PVP in 7dtd, I can't see anything it does PVP-wise that DayZ, Rust or Ark wouldn't do better. Or better yet, an actual dedicated PVP game with dedicated PVP balancing, matchmaking and ranking systems or even a professional league. I refuse to suggest one of those because I'll start a gang war but you get the idea.

7d2d pvp just isnt about killing, its about rivalrys and teams going back for many years, players just dont kill someone and move on they fight each other for years.
its what keeps the game going.

so yeah you would make a great pvp player in 7d2d.

 

[Grandpa Minion]

the very first head to head shown is a fully equipped player jumping down and blasting a naked dude. No wonder you cut to to the next scene in the montage before the backpack was opened revealing a stone axe…

so if you be testing like you claim you do than you know players have an option to not show what their wearing now. They can run around naked while wearing armor.

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[Kire]

That's what he tells himself to feel good, but we all know he is just shooting fresh spawns

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[IzPrebuilt]

7d2d pvp just isnt about killing, its about rivalrys and teams going back for many years, players just dont kill someone and move on they fight each other for years.
its what keeps the game going.

so yeah you would make a great pvp player in 7d2d.

I can tell this response is written by AI slophead. "It's not just X it's Y, they don't just A they B"

There's no point even reading what you say.

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its about rivalrys and teams going back for many years

Also this has absolutely no appeal to anyone with a mental age above 12. Yeah that's what I want in my video games "rivalry", what a terminally unemployed concept.

You can tell 7dtd PVP is absolutely AMAZING because GM has to spend all day trying to get people to play it. Dw GM i'm sure the next AI generated Reddit post or 57 second youtube clip will be the one that brings in 10M players and get's TFP to care about PVP.

 

[Adam the Waster]

Don't worry guys, I know how to shut GM up. I know how to speak his language.

Taking my job bro! I'll be sure to make sure I buy 5 more Pirate DLCs as a consequence to your crimes

Post automatically merged: Friday at 11:33 AM

A swamp biome would be great

I agree but we aren't getting any new biomes due to technical reasons. I would love to see more biomes too dwag

 

[Caelynd Maclyrr]

No, they don't. I'm sure some of the fixes they've made help PVP, but they also just help the game in general. What fixes did you see they specifically pointed to PVP as to why they fixed it? I'll wait. You are delusional.

For who, though? Not everyone enjoys the scenarios Roland mentioned some posts up. I've never been a fan on PVP in games like this where you can lose hours of work when you're not even online to defend it. Felt the same way when I played ARK a bunch. There was no way I'd play on a PVP server where dinos that took literal hours to tame could be gone in an instant. If that's "content" to you, cool. But it isn't to me and I don't want TFP to spend any time on that as it doesn't benefit me at all. And as much as Grandpa Minion likes to make up stats, I'd bet PVPers are quite the minority in this game, so why would TFP cater to them? Just give me bandits, more quests, and if time permits other new stuff like the raft, helicopter, or new biomes. Anything that adds to game I play, which anything PVP-oriented would not do.

Having played Shadowbane in the past, when you need to go to work in the morning and need to sleep while jobless jerk-ases can come in at 3 in the morning and burn your city to the ground, mass PVP in a game where you need to skill up to create long term stuff that is by design destructible is just crap gameplay for 99% of the gamers out there.

 

[plzkthxbye]

7d2d pvp just isnt about killing, its about rivalrys and teams going back for many years, players just dont kill someone and move on they fight each other for years.
its what keeps the game going.

so yeah you would make a great pvp player in 7d2d.

How would any of that be unique to 7DTD though? That sounds like stuff that could happen in any game with PVP.

How'd you get involved with PVP in 7DTD to begin with?

 

[faatal]

Yes, but unless information is shared, all that is available to players is to guess. If certain things are said or things are said in a certain way, it leads people to make assumptions about the likelihood of things happening in the future. If those assumptions are wrong and are making people unhappy about what's going on, it would be helpful to provide at least some kind of comment that these assumptions are wrong so people don't get hung up on them. If nothing is said to contradict those assumptions, people will continue to believe they are correct in those assumptions. And if that leads people to turn away from the game, that isn't a good thing.

I know things are going to be in a state of flux for a while after the acquisition and I know TFP isn't always forthcoming with information, but even just a simple comment that there are no plans from TFP or BI to put actual microtransactions into the game (in-game purchases with real money), that would really help. It doesn't even need any specific details. I am fairly certain that TFP and BI have discussed that topic and made at least a preliminary decision... never add them or probably add them or definitely add them. Maybe you can't comment on it, and if it's anything other than "never", it won't improve anything if you did comment, but it's out there now and people are going to make guesses and assumptions and speculate on what's to come. Right now, those speculations are unfavorable for some (maybe a lot) of people, including myself.

When I said unknown, I literally mean no one knows certain things. I don't know. Decisions have to be made. That will take time. Then more decisions. Lessons learned. I can't see the future, so I can only guess what will happen. We are still here and working on the game to make it better. I think 3.0 will be great. 4.0 should be interesting.

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Jeeze no. Crank difficulty to Insane and drop loot to the minimum 25%? (I wonder if there's a mod that'd set it to like 5%) Limit firearm use to Bears, Dire Wolves and horde night.
Place your home in the Wasteland as soon as you can survive there (no cheese).
You will die on occasion if not careful. You'll die even if you are careful.

Blue & Gold Wights, Mutants and Cops will all ruin your day.

You will be able to do crazy stuff with the sandbox settings. There should be a lot of game variety you can get out of them.