PC V2.0 Storms Brewing Dev Diary

[EvilPolygons]

so the term developer is an overused participation reward? wonderful
They are employees, you can give them a shmancy title, but, they still are just employees.

There are few things more fundamental than language and literacy. Words mean things. If you're having trouble with the definition of certain words, you could always consult a dictionary. Or you could just keep acting weird, I guess.

 

[Syphon583]

I am saying that he is an employee. Joel, Rick and Lathan do the DEV STREAMS

Joel, Rick are the owners. Lathan has been more or less the public-facing figure for a long time. They do the dev streams because people know them.

so the term developer is an overused participation reward? wonderful
They are employees, you can give them a shmancy title, but, they still are just employees.

Faatal has been one of the lead developers on this game for a long time and maybe if you read his regular posts of what he's working on, maybe you'd understand that. He can certainly defend himself here, but this is just flat out disrespectful to the entire team who have poured endless hours into this game. Get off the forums if this is how you're going to respond.

 

[HammerDano]

Your original question was asking if an actual developer should speak instead, which faatal is, he just isn't the developer you want to hear from.

that is much more accurate a way of describing my position.
Because I am being asked to accept the idea all the employees are developers. I think this is disingenuous, a product tester is not developing a product...they are testing it...but they are still a part of the process so they get to be called developers?
regardless, you are correct, I do think that Rick, Joel or even Lathan should have something to say to the "community" right now.

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Joel, Rick are the owners. Lathan has been more or less the public-facing figure for a long time. They do the dev streams because people know them.

Faatal has been one of the lead developers on this game for a long time and maybe if you read his regular posts of what he's working on, maybe you'd understand that. He can certainly defend himself here, but this is just flat out disrespectful to the entire team who have poured endless hours into this game. Get off the forums if this is how you're going to respond.

I don't care how salty you get. What you said was gate keeping.

 

[Riamus]

that is much more accurate a way of describing my position.
Because I am being asked to accept the idea all the employees are developers. I think this is disingenuous, a product tester is not developing a product...they are testing it...but they are still a part of the process so they get to be called developers?
regardless, you are correct, I do think that Rick, Joel or even Lathan should have something to say to the "community" right now.

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I don't care how salty you get. What you said was gate keeping.

Since you want to keep saying that only the owners and Lathan are developers, how about we look at the definition of a software developer?

A software developer is a professional who designs, creates, tests, and maintains software applications and systems. They use programming languages and development tools to translate user needs into functional and user-friendly software solutions. Their work spans across various industries, from creating mobile apps and websites to developing operating systems and enterprise-level systems.

What Does A Software Developer Do?​

A software developer is engaged in writing code to build environments, applications and digital architecture. Proficiency in one or more programming languages is essential to perform this role effectively. Software developers typically:

• Develop and test software based on user needs and client specifications
• Perform upgrades and maintenance for existing software programs
• Document their computer programming work for future references and team members
• Conduct debugging and quality assurance to ensure optimal software performance

Software developers use programming and design knowledge to build software that meets the needs of users. Typically, they will meet with a client who has a need for software to be developed, and then will build, test and deploy that software based on the specifications they have received.

In short, a developer is someone who works on the process of developing a software application, which also includes games. It refers to everyone involved, including certain testers (not people who just play the game to test it, but people who are testing code). If you want to be more specific, you could refer to programmers (those who write the code) if that's what you mean. If you mean owners, then you use the word owners. If you mean designers (those who design how things will be done), then you use designers. But if you use developer, it refers to everyone involved.

I will say that people often use developer and programmer interchangeably even though they aren't necessarily the same thing. But you're not even doing that. You aren't willing to even admit that a programmer is a developer, which is always the case.

Words have meaning as someone else said. You can't just pretend a word means something else. And calling even the lead developer a simple employee is very disrespectful.

 

[bdubyah]

Because I am being asked to accept the idea all the employees are developers. I think this is disingenuous, a product tester is not developing a product...they are testing it...but they are still a part of the process so they get to be called developers?

No, no you are not being asked that. You said faatal wasn't a developer. Stop deflecting and just accept you were wrong. No one mentioned product testers. Stop being delusional.

 

[Syphon583]

What you said was gate keeping.

In what way?

 

[HammerDano]

Since you want to keep saying that only the owners and Lathan are developers, how about we look at the definition of a software developer?

In short, a developer is someone who works on the process of developing a software application, which also includes games. It refers to everyone involved, including testers. If you want to be more specific, you could refer to programmers (those who write the code) if that's what you mean. If you mean owners, then you use the word owners. If you mean designers (those who design how things will be done), then you use designers. But if you use developer, it refers to everyone involved.

Words have meaning as someone else said. You can't just pretend a word means something else.

Are Rick Joel and Lathan Developers? Owners? or a mix of both?
are they the "Faces" people think of when it comes to 7 Days to Die?

You are all playing a cute game, that the english language affords...that the same words have different meanings. then you couple that with some debate lord bs you saw somewhere...and here we are...in a convoluted conversation.

So if you need me to adjust and call them the faces and owners....cool

I have no problem with acknowledging Fataal is a lead developer. I have no problem that SOME of TFP's employees write code and are called developers...but, they are not the FACES of 7 days to die.

 

[khzmusik]

Now, what we here on the forum know about graphics design of bandits for example is that it seems to be finished. This was done at the same time as the player armor redesign, the bandits will likely wear the same armor as we do. Sound? No idea.

If bandits wear the same armor it follows you can already look at bandits if you want, just play multiplayer or call up your character page

Just FYI, I believe this is wrong.

I specifically asked @faatal if the bandits would be using the player character models, and he said no.

I am assuming the intent is for the bandits to have new designs and character models, which are based off of other humanoid NPCs (zombies, Plague Spitter, Frostclaw) and not after players (which have very different skeletons, use IK animations, etc.).

 

[Riamus]

Are Rick Joel and Lathan Developers? Owners? or a mix of both?
are they the "Faces" people think of when it comes to 7 Days to Die?

You are all playing a cute game, that the english language affords...that the same words have different meanings. then you couple that with some debate lord bs you saw somewhere...and here we are...in a convoluted conversation.

So if you need me to adjust and call them the faces and owners....cool

I have no problem with acknowledging Fataal is a lead developer. I have no problem that SOME of TFP's employees write code and are called developers...but, they are not the FACES of 7 days to die.

I'm not sure that they are all directly involved in development anymore, but if they are, then yes, they are still developers. As I said, a developer is everyone involved in the development process. If you want to refer to the owners or those who are the "faces" of the game, then that's fine. Do so. Just don't start saying that people who are developers aren't developers, which is what you did.

Whether or not you like the language doesn't change what words mean. A developer is pretty straightforward, though. It doesn't mean different things when referring to software. It does include different groups of people as it's a word relating to a group of different people with different jobs that all work together to develop software. But that doesn't mean it has different meanings. And you are clearly referring to very specific people rather than all developers, so you need to be clear who you are referring to. But that's true in every language. If you said that you wanted a leader to respond to something and a team leader responded and then you said they aren't a leader because only the president was a leader, that would be the same thing you just did. It is simply not true. If you are referring to specific people, say who you are referring to or use a title that reflects who you are referring to. Don't dismiss those who have worked very hard to make this game as if they aren't worth anything, which is also what you did. (wow, can't believe it censored what I wrote.... lol!)

In any case, two of those three haven't posted anything at all since I started playing the game, and the other hasn't posted in a very long time. And honestly, Joel was the one who always gave dates that were never right, so considering your obsession with missed dates, it's a good thing he isn't posting. So if you want information from them, you're going to have to accept what comes from faatal or Laz Man or any of the others who do post here on occasion.

 

[HammerDano]

I'm not sure that they are all directly involved in development anymore, but if they are, then yes, they are still developers. As I said, a developer is everyone involved in the development process. If you want to refer to the owners or those who are the "faces" of the game, then that's fine. Do so. Just don't start saying that people who are developers aren't developers, which is what you did.

Whether or not you like the language doesn't change what words mean. A developer is pretty straightforward, though. It doesn't mean different things when referring to software. It does include different groups of people as it's a word relating to a group of different people with different jobs that all work together to develop software. But that doesn't mean it has different meanings. And you are clearly referring to very specific people rather than all developers, so you need to be clear who you are referring to. But that's true in every language. If you said that you wanted a leader to respond to something and a team leader responded and then you said they aren't a leader because only the president was a leader, that would be the same thing you just did. It is simply not true. If you are referring to specific people, say who you are referring to or use a title that reflects who you are referring to. Don't dismiss those who have worked very hard to make this game as if they aren't worth anything, which is also what you did. (wow, can't believe it censored what I wrote.... lol!)

In any case, two of those three haven't posted anything at all since I started playing the game, and the other hasn't posted in a very long time. And honestly, Joel was the one who always gave dates that were never right, so considering your obsession with missed dates, it's a good thing he isn't posting. So if you want information from them, you're going to have to accept what comes from faatal or Laz Man or any of the others who do post here on occasion.

Rick Joel and Lathan are the three people most publicly associated with this game. I would bet, dollars to donuts, that most casual people would say they are the lead developers, the faces of the franchise, the people they would expect to speak on behalf of the game.

You are getting pretty far into YOUR feels about how I worded something. I don't accept your lecture. I think you just want to feel like you landed a punch.

 

[HammerDano]

No, no you are not being asked that. You said faatal wasn't a developer. Stop deflecting and just accept you were wrong. No one mentioned product testers. Stop being delusional.

no
I made no reference to him at all...go back and look if you need to.

I have no problem with saying faatal is an employee hired to be a lead developer.

I maintain that Rick Joel and Lathan are the faces of this franchise...they are also the voices...they do the dev streams
So we can argue about it, but, THEY are "The" devs when you ask the public.

 

[bdubyah]

no
I made no reference to him at all...go back and look if you need to.

I have no problem with saying faatal is an employee hired to be a lead developer.

I maintain that Rick Joel and Lathan are the faces of this franchise...they are also the voices...they do the dev streams
So we can argue about it, but, THEY are "The" devs when you ask the public.

Then say that instead of saying a lead developer isn't actually a developer?? And also Lathan is a programmer, faatal is a Lead Programmer, so wouldn't his word count just as well? Either way, it's very unlikely that any TFP dev(or employee, or janitor, or whatever suits your ignorance) is gonna come here and tell you how every little bit of their company works. Who does that? Why do you think you should know, or they should tell you?

 

[HammerDano]

Then say that instead of saying a lead developer isn't actually a developer?? And also Lathan is a programmer, faatal is a Lead Programmer, so wouldn't his word count just as well? Either way, it's very unlikely that any TFP dev(or employee, or janitor, or whatever suits your ignorance) is gonna come here and tell you how every little bit of their company works. Who does that? Why do you think you should know, or they should tell you?

boy...you really missed the point didn't you?

You and I don't agree about communication...you don't think they owe us any. I do. This conversation got dragged sideways for awhile, but, here we are.
What I said about Rick Joel and Lathan...do you have any comment?

 

[bdubyah]

boy...you really missed the point didn't you?

You and I don't agree about communication...you don't think they owe us any. I do. This conversation got dragged sideways for awhile, but, here we are.
What I said about Rick Joel and Lathan...do you have any comment?

My comment to that was you'd rather have a regular Programmer comment as opposed to a Lead Programmer? Why? Wouldn't a Lead have the same, if not more, info?

And when has Rick ever posted here? Madmole hasn't in over 2 years now.

 

[Riamus]

no
I made no reference to him at all...go back and look if you need to.

I have no problem with saying faatal is an employee hired to be a lead developer.

I maintain that Rick Joel and Lathan are the faces of this franchise...they are also the voices...they do the dev streams
So we can argue about it, but, THEY are "The" devs when you ask the public.

So if they hired a marketing person to run streams and that was the only person you saw, then even though they were the face of the game, would you call them a developer? They wouldn't be one.

Regardless, it is clear that you are unwilling to listen to anything that doesn't align with your views, so I won't bother explaining it any more. When you first started posting stuff, I felt you made good points. Now, all I see is someone who can't take criticism and who wants to be upset all the time. The devs don't owe you anything.

 

[Adam the Waster]

"Hey Survivors! We've been listening to your feedback and wanted to chat about some of the changes we plan to make to address it. Tune in Friday July 25th at 9 PM CT as Richard and Joel Huenink discuss the upcoming changes"

Twitter

 

[HammerDano]

So if they hired a marketing person to run streams and that was the only person you saw, then even though they were the face of the game, would you call them a developer? They wouldn't be one.

Regardless, it is clear that you are unwilling to listen to anything that doesn't align with your views, so I won't bother explaining it any more. When you first started posting stuff, I felt you made good points. Now, all I see is someone who can't take criticism and who wants to be upset all the time. The devs don't owe you anything.

Good grief

How are you turning this back on me? no, if they hire a marketing person...I would NOT consider that person to be a developer. That was never my position.

Rick, Joel and Lathan ARE the public faces of the game...they ARE the people most associated with being "THE DEVS" of this game.
acknowledge that or don't. I am sure you will manage another lecture about how this is really more about me.

 

[KirillWright]

"Hey Survivors! We've been listening to your feedback and wanted to chat about some of the changes we plan to make to address it. Tune in Friday July 25th at 9 PM CT as Richard and Joel Huenink discuss the upcoming changes"

Twitter

Really unexpected!

 

[Adam the Waster]

Really unexpected!

I really hope they address the lack of survival. I really really do.

Like what jawoodle talked about

 

[bdubyah]

"Hey Survivors! We've been listening to your feedback and wanted to chat about some of the changes we plan to make to address it. Tune in Friday July 25th at 9 PM CT as Richard and Joel Huenink discuss the upcoming changes"

Twitter

Well, that certainly surprises me. Definitely gonna have to catch that just to see the toxic spew in chat. Haha.

But seriously, good to see they feel it's worth addressing. Be curious what their plans are.