The missed post from JaWoodle

And stop with the <censored> ■■■■. JFC. <censored>. Everyone knows it's <censored>.
No. :) I'm highlighting the retardedness of the situation. Everyone does indeed know that <censored> is coming. Everyone knows <censored> is a work in progress. Forcefully hiding a tiny leak about it is ... as pointless as what I'm doing here.

Considering the content he can no longer make in the future by getting kicked out of the creator program, I'd say delaying would've been the smarter long term option.
Hindsight 20/20. At the time of the decision, he did not know they wouldn't come to some agreement over it.
 
The fact that he had to spawn in bandits should have rung a bell for him tbh. At that point you should think twice and ask TFP about it before posting. He dosen´t strike me as a stupid person so imo he exactly knew what he was doing but wasn´t expecting the consequences to be that harsh. I will stay by my opinion. He effed around and found out.

Does he even mention in the video that he was asked to take down the videos? I just watched the start and he didnt.

He could have been decent, mistakes happen, we are all just humans after all, and simply take down the video. He made more than from other videos from it and youtube still pays him even if it gets taken down. But he choose to not to.

TFP or BI now sueing is over the line imo, but Jawoodle could have avoided this easily by just being a decent human being understanding that people sometimes make mistakes.
 
Hindsight 20/20. At the time of the decision, he did not know they wouldn't come to some agreement over it.
Nah, not hindsight at all, just basic understanding of the situation. They asked him to do something, he said no. He supposedly offered some half-assed alternatives, they said no and repeated their request. Did he just think if he ignored it it would just go away? Not a very smart business strategy...
 
Does he even mention in the video that he was asked to take down the videos? I just watched the start and he didnt.
He did. He showed an email request a little further down the line, screenshot in spoiler

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They asked him to do something, he said no.
Is it an ask, if "no" is not an option?
 
Is it an ask, if "no" is not an option?
No is always an option, proven by the fact that's what Woodle went with. Was it the right option? Doesn't seem so to me but I guess we'll find out. Just seems pretty shortsighted on his part to throw away future early access, and potentially all 7 Days content over a few bucks worth of editing costs. He's just being stubborn and just hurting himself. Unless all these supposed supporters of his lock in on his other content I don't see him surviving. Even his 7 Days views seem to have dropped, but they still easily trump all other content he puts out. So he'd better hope all these people saying they have his back actually tune in to all of his future videos.
 
No is always an option, proven by the fact that's what Woodle went with.
Right. But if the request is "Take it down yourself, or we will" it's a whole other thing than "a friendly request". If the requester is unwilling to entertain your worries over it, it's not friendly. I don't see why Woodle would need to be friendly when the other party is having none of it.

Now, I'm a coward; I would've taken it down just for that. Maybe made a "Sorry guys, TFP ■■■■ed up my video" out of spite, later - after the stream event. Good cash for drama and very little possibility of takedown, if done cautiously. Cuz eff em, at that point.

He doesn't need to be in the creator program to keep making 7dtd content; he'll miss the streamer weekends, that's it. His continued absence will remain a funny little sore spot on TFP's reputation. I hope he starts making something "stupid" for streamer weekend instead, but I don't think he's as vengeful as I am ... :)
 
No is always an option, proven by the fact that's what Woodle went with. Was it the right option? Doesn't seem so to me but I guess we'll find out. Just seems pretty shortsighted on his part to throw away future early access, and potentially all 7 Days content over a few bucks worth of editing costs. He's just being stubborn and just hurting himself. Unless all these supposed supporters of his lock in on his other content I don't see him surviving. Even his 7 Days views seem to have dropped, but they still easily trump all other content he puts out. So he'd better hope all these people saying they have his back actually tune in to all of his future videos.

On the other hand the creator program is about one week every x months AFAIK. The rest of the time he has to play whatever we play as well, just like before.

If his views and regular income were to depend largely on the few videos coming out in the prelease weekend of an alpha then sure. But I would guess he has a regular viewership and the day to day revenue should be more than the revenue from the spike on this one weekend. I am sure he made that calculation as well and chose he could easily afford to be dropped out of it.
 
On the other hand the creator program is about one week every x months AFAIK. The rest of the time he has to play whatever we play as well, just like before.

If his views and regular income were to depend largely on the few videos coming out in the prelease weekend of an alpha then sure. But I would guess he has a regular viewership and the day to day revenue should be more than the revenue from the spike on this one weekend. I am sure he made that calculation as well and chose he could easily afford to be dropped out of it.
Sure, it isn't all of his revenue, but it's one of few times he normally streams. And obviously some of his most highly viewed videos and streams due to all the eyes that come in on streamer weekends. Basically like a bonus he is giving up. Just losing that alone won't break him, but who knows if he will keep making 7 Days content at all now. That's more what I was getting at. But maybe he will keep making 7 Days stuff. No different than the Prebuilt guy constantly crying about hating having to play the game because it's the only thing that gets views on his channel, yet he's still making 7 Days content.
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Right. But if the request is "Take it down yourself, or we will" it's a whole other thing than "a friendly request". If the requester is unwilling to entertain your worries over it, it's not friendly. I don't see why Woodle would need to be friendly when the other party is having none of it.

Now, I'm a coward; I would've taken it down just for that. Maybe made a "Sorry guys, TFP ■■■■ed up my video" out of spite, later - after the stream event. Good cash for drama and very little possibility of takedown, if done cautiously. Cuz eff em, at that point.

He doesn't need to be in the creator program to keep making 7dtd content; he'll miss the streamer weekends, that's it. His continued absence will remain a funny little sore spot on TFP's reputation. I hope he starts making something "stupid" for streamer weekend instead, but I don't think he's as vengeful as I am ... :)
Never said it was friendly. But whatever, you're just going in circles at this point. He had an option, he didn't take it. Period. Let him suffer.

And the rest of your comment shows about where your maturity level is at. Good on you. I don't TFP cares much about sore spots. I'd rather be them dealing with that than be a creator stuck having to make videos on a game just to keep getting views.
 
From the emails shown in the video, it sounds like there was no agreement made about editorial control after the videos were produced and the agreement was to showcase what was in the build delivered (and, as far as I know, this content creator almost always showcases bugs/glitches/exploits using the dev menus so it should have been zero surprise he'd find chicken coops/bandits if they were left in). I see absolutely no reason why he shouldn't have stuck up for himself since every option made available by The Fun Pimps put the financial burden on him (to take down/edit videos).

I do reviews for games, peripherals, etc., as a side gig, and I've had a few controller manufacturers choose not to work with me anymore because they believe they should have a right to editorial control from the product they sent me, when the agreement is: I review the product as-is, good or bad. It doesn't matter that you sent me a prototype instead of the ready-for-production model by mistake, if the d-pad doesn't do diagonals unless I push with 5 times the force of pushing a cardinal direction, that's what's going into the review, don't make mistakes when shipping out items next time. I may do an edit after the fact, but that typically requires said company sending the accurate product for the review, usually happens weeks after, and I never under any circumstances cut what's been published, it's always an addendum with the body copy staying the exact same. Some understand that, some don't, and that's why I don't work with those companies anymore.

Sounds like the same will hold true for TFP and Jawoodle here in the future. And good for them, they've had a somewhat antagonistic relationship for quite some time (literally the only thing I know about Jawoodle is he shows how to break things with zombie pathfinding and The Fun Pimps fix it, lol. I don't watch his videos very often).
 
I don't TFP cares much about sore spots.
Not anymore, that's BI's headache now .. sale was already done :P

I'd rather be them dealing with that than be a creator stuck having to make videos on a game just to keep getting views.
Obviously. Ain't no-one stopping a creator from getting a job. But ain't no-one forcing TFP to be petty, either. I'd have done things differently on both ends, but "being TFP" would be a lot more financially secure atm. A no-brainer.
 
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