Automatic Discord Login

[Riamus]

Discord was available for use prior to BI. It was NOT loaded automatically NOR did it communicate automatically in the background without user consent REGARDLESS of whether it was enabled or not as it does now.

You received a single popup asking about using it when it was first integrated. If you loaded the game even once prior to BI, you were asked. If you didn't read it and chose yes, that was your only popup and you'd have to disable it yourself if you changed your mind. Now, because that was a one-time popup and I played the game after that was added, I already chose the answer so I can't check now to see if they removed that popup at some point. If they did, then yes, they should add it back. But if not, and you just already answered it, then that hasn't changed and a new user will also get that popup. It's possible that doing a clean up of the game using the loader will allow that to be asked again, but I've never tried and don't have any intention of trying. But if you want, you can try and see. If there isn't a popup, post it in the bug reports forum that the popup no longer appears for new players. It may be that something broke and they aren't aware since they also would have gotten it once and then not seen it again unless they run a completely new install of the game and think to look to see if that was there or not.

Even if it isn't showing anymore, either as a bug or intentionally, claiming this was a BI change just because you don't like BI is entirely made up unless you have some specific information that states that BI made that get changed. And I doubt you have any actual facts that state that. As I said, I don't like BI either, but that doesn't mean I'll make stuff up.

 

[ktrain]

Sigh, I'm not talking about the popup. I'm referring to the fact that by default, and only since BI took over and 3.0 exp was released, regardless of what you choose in the popup, the game communicates with Discord, with or without implied consent.

As I previously stated, I have managed to disable the background communication with Discord.

Whether you choose to believe that it is occurring is irrelevant, my only goal is to clear the air for the OP.

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We’re transparent about all the rules you need to follow here. So unless your fix involves e.g. pirating the game or breaking the law, feel free to share.

It's not about the forum rules, it's about the complexity involved, I just don't want to support it.

I was able to manage it with the help of Claude Opus max reasoning, but it cost quite a few tokens and took many iterations...

People are capable of doing their own research.

 

[bdubyah]

Sued by whom? People who paid $5 for an early release and got way more enjoyment out of it than most people get from AAA $60 titles? Good luck winning that lawsuit!

I don't think the law cares about how much enjoyment you got or how much it cost you. Bandits were an original KS goal that was met, aka they are already paid for. Trying to sell them as DLC would be a terrible idea. But keep thinking that's how it's gonna work if you want.

 

[InfiniteWarrior]

You received a single popup asking about using it when it was first integrated. If you loaded the game even once prior to BI, you were asked. If you didn't read it and chose yes, that was your only popup and you'd have to disable it yourself if you changed your mind.

I was there. I said 'no' to the popup. Discord, a distant memory. Last update, it logged me in automatically.

Now, this maybe an oversight in the UI redesign, i.e. it was accidentally defaulted to 'yes' regardless what you chose way back when. If that is the case, it needs to be fixed. Moving it to the main menu and defaulting it to off is my proposed solution to the problem.

The game communicates with all manner of crap in the background. It's an online game, after all, and the boardroom set has pushed for everything, including single player games, to require an online connection -- ostensibly to combat piracy, but obviously for a plethora of nefarious reasons as well.

If TFP wants to stay above board, it needs to act like it. If it doesn't, God help it.

 

[meganoth]

I was there. I said 'no' to the popup. Discord, a distant memory. Last update, it logged me in automatically.

Now, this maybe an oversight in the UI redesign, i.e. it was accidentally defaulted to 'yes' regardless what you chose way back when. If that is the case, it needs to be fixed. Moving it to the main menu and defaulting it to off is my proposed solution to the problem.

The game communicates with all manner of crap in the background. It's an online game, after all, and the boardroom set has pushed for everything, including single player games, to require an online connection -- ostensibly to combat piracy, but obviously for a plethora of nefarious reasons as well.

If TFP wants to stay above board, it needs to act like it. If it doesn't, God help it.

An interesting questions here would be:
Does turning it off again after 3.0.0 switched it on actually disable discord integration or is the setting broken completely?

 

[NoMan]

I have had Discord turned off since the beginning and have never had to reset it. Wondering why it works differently for some?

Also, has anyone ever noticed the weird disappearing Discord option? AFAIK it has been this way since Discord was first integrated. Is there a reason for this?

I do not need answers to my questions; I am just pointing out this oddity since I've never seen it mentioned on this forum.

 

[Riamus]

I was there. I said 'no' to the popup. Discord, a distant memory. Last update, it logged me in automatically.

Now, this maybe an oversight in the UI redesign, i.e. it was accidentally defaulted to 'yes' regardless what you chose way back when. If that is the case, it needs to be fixed. Moving it to the main menu and defaulting it to off is my proposed solution to the problem.

The game communicates with all manner of crap in the background. It's an online game, after all, and the boardroom set has pushed for everything, including single player games, to require an online connection -- ostensibly to combat piracy, but obviously for a plethora of nefarious reasons as well.

If TFP wants to stay above board, it needs to act like it. If it doesn't, God help it.

If that's the case, then yes, it should be fixed. I have it enabled, so didn't see that happen. There have been other times when options have changed and it affected the saved settings for a player without intending to, so that's quite possibly a mistake. But in any case, if it hasn't been brought up in the bug forum, it should be.

I have had Discord turned off since the beginning and have never had to reset it. Wondering why it works differently for some?

Also, has anyone ever noticed the weird disappearing Discord option? AFAIK it has been this way since Discord was first integrated. Is there a reason for this?

I do not need answers to my questions; I am just pointing out this oddity since I've never seen it mentioned on this forum.

That's probably intentional. If you disable communication with other players, there's no reason for Discord to have any impact on anything (it'll be completely disabled). So removing the settings for it can make sense. The alternative is to just disable (gray out) the settings for it so they can't be changed when communication is disabled, but this works as well.

 

[NoMan]

That's probably intentional. If you disable communication with other players, there's no reason for Discord to have any impact on anything (it'll be completely disabled). So removing the settings for it can make sense. The alternative is to just disable (gray out) the settings for it so they can't be changed when communication is disabled, but this works as well.

Of course, I considered that possibility, but then why wouldn't they apply the same logic to the Mumble setting? Does Mumble have some SP functionality? I did not think so, but I have never actually used it. Just curious though. I never speak to humans

 

[Riamus]

Of course, I considered that possibility, but then why wouldn't they apply the same logic to the Mumble setting? Does Mumble have some SP functionality? I did not think so, but I have never actually used it. Just curious though. I never speak to humans

I don't know about that one.

 

[Jimmy D Spoofy]

I have my stuff disabled and my discord stuff set to not show me in-game and ny wife sees that I'm playing in discord but it shows her my steam name instead. Discord is doing some strange and invasive glitches in game integrations lately. ARC had a pretty bad one not long ago.

 

[Suxar]

Default: Opt out, not in.
Suggestion: Move all integration settings to the main menu, defaulted to off.

I completely agree. Especially considering that these servers are unavailable and the game simply freezes when launched, trying to connect to the servers. I have to close it through the Task Manager, enable Steam's offline mode, launch the game, and then try to disable all these integrations.

Who the hell even thought up integrations with services they don't control? Discord's servers have been unavailable for over a year.

 

[InfiniteWarrior]

I completely agree. Especially considering that these servers are unavailable and the game simply freezes when launched, trying to connect to the servers. I have to close it through the Task Manager, enable Steam's offline mode, launch the game, and then try to disable all these integrations.

Who the hell even thought up integrations with services they don't control? Discord's servers have been unavailable for over a year.

Why would video game development companies (et al.) develop/do the work themselves when some other company with an API already has done it? Much the same reason as people use plugins on their Wordpress blogs with a twist. It's as cheap as using AI to spit out crap instead of hiring a concept artist. In this case, it spares the company from developing proximity chat for its own product. In addition to the more nefarious reasons, I imagine that's why companies do it. It's cheap. It cuts corners. It doesn't touch "the bottom line." Afic, that's also among the reasons why 3200 developers just lost their jobs in the latest round of layoffs that aren't layoffs, going on four years now, with 1600 yet to go later this year. CEOs tragically think of it as "trimming the fat" or "eliminating the bloat." They remind me of The Mechanist in the Automatron DLC in that regard. They're staring at charts and statistics with no idea what's actually happening in the the Commonwealth. (I can't help thinking devs were actually blowing off a little steam with that DLC.) The more livelihoods of humans affected, the better. Of course, you'll notice no CEOs have stepped up to take a pay cut or refuse their bonuses when its their own more stupid decisions that have put their companies in a financial hole. Worst of all, they do it because "everyone else is doing it." It's "the way things are." Heavens forbid they should walk an alternate path.

Hell of it is, corporations are legally chartered to act like this and CEOs who don't comply generally lose their jobs. Pretty vicious cycle, huh? That's why I always root for the underdogs who conduct their business transparently and above board like TFP used to do: make a product; sell the product. Plenty of profit to be had without getting all greedy, predatory, exploitative and invasive about it, but of course it's now bordering on the obscene across all industries as in the hospital network example. (And exactly when, do you think, did health care become an industry? Right about the time it was taken out of the hands of nonprofits, e.g. religious organizations and academic institutions, and placed in the not so loving hands of corporations. That's why we don't see hospital names, e.g. Mercy, anymore.)

 

[Roland]

You received a single popup asking about using it when it was first integrated. If you loaded the game even once prior to BI, you were asked. If you didn't read it and chose yes, that was your only popup and you'd have to disable it yourself if you changed your mind. Now, because that was a one-time popup and I played the game after that was added, I already chose the answer so I can't check now to see if they removed that popup at some point. If they did, then yes, they should add it back. But if not, and you just already answered it, then that hasn't changed and a new user will also get that popup. It's possible that doing a clean up of the game using the loader will allow that to be asked again, but I've never tried and don't have any intention of trying. But if you want, you can try and see. If there isn't a popup, post it in the bug reports forum that the popup no longer appears for new players. It may be that something broke and they aren't aware since they also would have gotten it once and then not seen it again unless they run a completely new install of the game and think to look to see if that was there or not.

Even if it isn't showing anymore, either as a bug or intentionally, claiming this was a BI change just because you don't like BI is entirely made up unless you have some specific information that states that BI made that get changed. And I doubt you have any actual facts that state that. As I said, I don't like BI either, but that doesn't mean I'll make stuff up.

I got my Steam Machine on Monday and installed 7 Days to Die on it and the pop up asking if I wanted to enable discord integration came up when I booted up the game for the first time. Seems like it is still active.