Why this release schedule?

[-X-]

Good luck then. But this is brought up every major release and the point is that this release schedule is not up to your or mine or any players agenda. Its up to TFP and they made it perfectly clear this will not change. So compare it to taxes, death or cancer in that way. Unavoidable. Wasting time as a hobby would not be my choice. But you do you.

If it's brought up every major release then maybe, just maybe, there is a something behind the idea.

You are wasting your time here trying to presuade me to accept something I don't like. I have no idea why anyone would do that, but to quote you: you do you.

The very fact that you and me (and all the others "we like to wait, leave the corporation alone!" people) are not playing 7DTD 3.0 right now and we are wasting each others time here is an ultimate proof that this release schedule just sucks.

 

[Dead Smarty]

Well, I have nothing better to do since the release has not dropped yet so I have to kill some time

One has to learn to live with death, taxes and probably cancer. Everything else is purely optional and your choice if you accept it or not

Since this is not realy a competitive game I realy don't see the problem. There will always be next weekend.
In the mean time, touch grass?

 

[-X-]

Since this is not realy a competitive game I realy don't see the problem. There will always be next weekend.
In the mean time, touch grass?

If you don't see the problem and are completely happy and fulfilled, then why waste time arguing with someone who does see the problem?

You clearly are just as bored as me, brother. But if we unite and push hard enough, perhaps next release we all could be able to play 7DTD on friday evening instead of being here

 

[InfiniteWarrior]

I wanted to ask when I've been waiting for the previous release but forgot.

Who came up with this idea of streamer weekend with release on monday? Meaning that while I have whole weekend where I could be playing, I can't. And when the game releases, I can't play as well because I have a life and work

Is it just me or is this schedule just plain stupid for every normal person that has a normal job? If you want to support streamers, you could just as easily give them access in the middle of the week or something like that so everyone can play during the weekend.

I think the better question would be: why is TFP (and BI) treating the originally numbered 2.7 update that just includes main menu/game setting options as a major update; as though there were hours of all new content, story, NPCs or what have you? As though that might actually sell all new copies of the game? The same can be accomplished with mods and XML changes, at least on PC. It isn't a major release even for console, in my sight at least, so a "streamer weekend" (supposedly to promote it) isn't even warranted, imo. I'm sure they worked a long time on it and all that time is much appreciated, but it's just an update like any other update, afic. I imagine they got tired of every change being met with "I don't like that," so they put in a bunch of options, most likely so half the community would stop putting them down for every personally preferential decision they make. Probably won't accomplish that goal, though, sorry to say.

The gameplay loop is exactly the same treadmill and will play the same with more or less zombies; more or less XP; more or less magazines depending on your preferences; etc. and so on; so what is it you think you're actually missing? Nothing major, imo. The gameplay loop is still prepare for horde night; horde night; rinse; repeat with no variation whatsoever. In fact, that gameplay loop is all there is to the game -- a good foundation to build upon, but nothing has been built upon it...yet. That's what I've been waiting to see: how it turns out in its final form, not how it's being tweaked for personal preference along the way. "Nothing (new) to see here. Move along."

 

[-X-]

I think the better question would be: why is TFP (and BI) treating the originally numbered 2.7 update that just includes main menu/game setting options as a major update; as though there were hours of all new content, story, NPCs or what have you? As though that might actually sell all new copies of the game? The same can be accomplished with mods and XML changes, at least on PC. It isn't a major release even for console, in my sight at least, so a "streamer weekend" (supposedly to promote it) isn't even warranted, imo. I'm sure they worked a long time on it and all that time is much appreciated, but it's just an update like any other update, afic. I imagine they got tired of every change being met with "I don't like that," so they put in a bunch of options, most likely so half the community would stop putting them down for every personally preferential decision they make. Probably won't accomplish that goal, though, sorry to say.

The gameplay loop is exactly the same treadmill and will play the same with more or less zombies; more or less XP; more or less magazines depending on your preferences; etc. and so on; so what is it you think you're actually missing? Nothing major, imo. The gameplay loop is still prepare for horde night; horde night; rinse; repeat with no variation whatsoever. In fact, that gameplay loop is all there is to the game -- a good foundation to build upon, but nothing has been built upon it...yet. That's what I've been waiting to see: how it turns out in its final form, not how it's being tweaked for personal preference along the way. "Nothing (new) to see here. Move along."

I don't really mind the fact that they are hyping it up It's an old game so every bit helps I guess. Tbh this is why it is even more insane to do releases like this - I think that at this phase every person that plays the game is someone you want to keep playing for as long as possible.

I kinda like the gameplay loop - I'm playing this kind of games with my girlfriend and it is fun. We usually end up having base in wasteland & roaming around. When we max out everything there is little incentive to continue playing so we switch to a different game. Then new version of 7DTD comes and we go again

We have few things that are "mandatory" for team play that we miss in vanilla - shared reading mod is one of them (it does what you'd expect - if I read a book, everyone in team "reads" it too). Plus few QoL mods like bigger stacks (main point of the game is looting so big loot space is essential) and quick store (your inventory gets put into nearby chests automatically when you click that button).

I like the game quite a bit, ngl.

 

[Rotor]

touch grass?

■■■■ not even that funny but almost had a drinking problem there.

 

[Kyoji]

And you ignored the part about how releasing an update to the masses on a Friday is a stupid idea. There have been times where there were nasty bugs found during the streamer weekend that gave them time to try and fix them before the full EXP release. Just saying it doesn't make sense or whatever doesn't change you are just whining about nothing.

Which could also be fixed if played by the streamers on Monday.

 

[Dead Smarty]

If you don't see the problem and are completely happy and fulfilled, then why waste time arguing with someone who does see the problem?

You clearly are just as bored as me, brother. But if we unite and push hard enough, perhaps next release we all could be able to play 7DTD on friday evening instead of being here

I see the problem, but it's a "you" problem.
And sorry I was too busy being bored to reply to you sooner.

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■■■■ not even that funny but almost had a drinking problem there.

If I caused a drinking problem: Smoke grass?

 

[-X-]

I see the problem, but it's a "you" problem.
And sorry I was too busy being bored to reply to you sooner.

Sure thing, buddy.

You still being here and still whining about my post just keeps proving my point.

 

[meganoth]

The argument that the offices are empty on the weekend is actually weak since they do make hotfixes which shows that at least some of them work through that weekend.

The only difference I can see is that the hotfix will be distributed only to a limited number of streamers. Maybe those weekend hotfixes can be distributed by one or two weekend workers but a real experimental release on steam needs more people or they just want more people look it over before doing a release to a larger crowd. Anyway even if that were true that would make a streamer "weekend" starting on Monday at least as good as one starting on Friday.

In my opinion though the hotfixes always were just a secondary consideration. Having streamers show the goodies was always a marketing opportunity that was just too good to miss. And they will do anything to make it the best marketing event they can provide. Including giving them the weekend.

Now that it is an established event (practically a tradition) I don't think there is any chance that it would be changed to other days of the week. I don't really know how streamers tick, so this is just a wild guess, but I would expect them to protest since it would be felt as TFP taking away a privilege, and that is something TFP surely won't want to do.

 

[bdubyah]

Which could also be fixed if played by the streamers on Monday.

But they get it on Friday. Just like they always have, just like they always will.

 

[Kalen]

But they get it on Friday. Just like they always have, just like they always will.

Well, not to sound pedantic, but streamers didn't ALWAYS get it first.... Streamer weekend started with A17, IIRC. However, I agree with your overall point, its not going to change now.

 

[Roland]

If it's brought up every major release then maybe, just maybe, there is a something behind the idea.

You are wasting your time here trying to presuade me to accept something I don't like. I have no idea why anyone would do that, but to quote you: you do you.

The very fact that you and me (and all the others "we like to wait, leave the corporation alone!" people) are not playing 7DTD 3.0 right now and we are wasting each others time here is an ultimate proof that this release schedule just sucks.

There’s also something behind the idea that despite the same pushback that gets voiced every single time by fewer and fewer people, TFP continues to do it because of how successful, popular, and useful it has been time after time.

I remember the first time we did it there were many threads posted against it and back then the main argument was that streaming itself was just a fad and streamers were awful people and nobody would even watch and TFP would regret ever trying such a stunt.

Now, here we are several years later and instead of dozens of threads there’s just one or two and nobody talks about how streaming is just a fringe dying fad of the gaming community.

The streamer weekend works because the vast majority like and support it. Period. TFP would not continue to do it if the opposite was true.

And also….I don’t believe for a second you won’t be able to find some time to play sometime during the week. My bet is that you’ll even play for a bit after work on Monday night. You definitely won’t put off playing to the next weekend. I mean if your work schedule is so engrossing and overwhelming your life Monday - Friday, you probably need to spend time with your family on the weekend instead of hours playing a video game….

 

[theFlu]

And also….I don’t believe for a second you won’t be able to find some time to play sometime during the week. My bet is that you’ll even play for a bit after work on Monday night. You definitely won’t put off playing to the next weekend.

Why go there? There's plenty of people who actually pull 12 hours shifts or work multiple jobs, even among gamers. And it doesn't change anything either way?

 

[bdubyah]

Well, not to sound pedantic, but streamers didn't ALWAYS get it first.... Streamer weekend started with A17, IIRC. However, I agree with your overall point, its not going to change now.

My bad, only for the last almost 8 years then. Either way, the precedent has been set and confirmed several times now with no change in sight. So yeah, maybe being a bit pedantic.

 

[Kyoji]

The streamer weekend works because the vast majority like and support it. Period. TFP would not continue to do it if the opposite was true.

Well I wouldn't go that far. I would think there are a fair few who are ambivalent to it but to suggest most enjoy streamer weekends is a bit of a stretch. I don't particularly care if they get the game to play a few days early but that doesn't mean I like it either.

 

[Roland]

Why go there? There's plenty of people who actually pull 12 hours shifts or work multiple jobs, even among gamers. And it doesn't change anything either way?

Why not go there? They can double down on their claim and provide more context if they weren’t simply being hyperbolic. If it really is true then while I feel bad for this individual that they have such a grueling work schedule, it definitely isn’t the norm for people to have zero leisure time here and there throughout the week and basing the decision on whether to do streamer weekend on rare edge cases of such people would be stupid.

Their argument was that the schedule should be changed to watching during the week and playing on the weekend because they have zero time to be able to play during the week. If that isn’t hypnotic BS, then they represent a very very small portion of the community.

 

[Roland]

Well I wouldn't go that far. I would think there are a fair few who are ambivalent to it but to suggest most enjoy streamer weekends is a bit of a stretch. I don't particularly care if they get the game to play a few days early but that doesn't mean I like it either.

I concede this point. What I should have said was that the number of people who do enjoy it (and streaming in general) has grown over the years and not died out. It may not be the majority of the community who loves streamer weekend but it is enough who do, and enough others are ambivalent, to make the event successful and worthwhile in TFPs eyes.

 

[theFlu]

Why not go there?

Accusing your opponent of lying, without any evidence, is not exactly kind, or useful. Especially when, even if they Were lying about the exact amount of time they have during the week, it would make no difference to the actual suggestion/request.

 

[Prisma501]

Accusing your opponent of lying, without any evidence, is not exactly kind, or useful. Especially when, even if they Were lying about the exact amount of time they have during the week, it would make no difference to the actual suggestion/request.

There doesnt seem to be enough of "we" though to change TFP minds. "But if we unite and push hard enough".

So the suggestion can just stand there and die. Imo it will change nothing.