PC V2.6 EXP

[Adam the Waster]

Take your personal differences elsewhere, both of you.

personal differences in what?

He's discussing the fact the game really keep changing on what it wants to be, I partly agree but atm im liking were the game is going. Less rpg and hoping for more sandbox and freedom

and some things like temperature. While yes was entirely removed temporarily. There wasn't really any evidence for the common people, most people and youtubers thought it was gone. WE forum users know that it was coming back but its not like people would listen to some random people.

I think there pimps could have made a statement without the need of a townhall meeting and in terms of temperature it was a brief thing mentionec

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Could the conversation gone smoother? Yesh but oh well. At the end of the day we are here to support the game we love to play

 

[IzPrebuilt]

I can't stand this narcissistic youtuber. it's all about you, you and you. you vs all the "bad" guys. can we focus on 2.6?
Take your personal differences elsewhere, both of you.

Or what? I'm literally mid-conversation with two of the moderators of the website, they already control what's said. You're telling two mods and a random user that their conversation is off-topic like what?

 

[Prisma501]

Thanks its been reported
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Well, it was tagged "Not a bug" way before that, so lets see what actually is "fixed"

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Thread 'Auto turrets (ie smg and shotgun turrets) now trigger demolisher bombs'

Feb 17, 2026

In previous versions, the powered turrets that you could wire up (not the junk turrets under robotics skill) were safe to use against demo zombies. It was my understanding that this was intentional game design, and I was able to use them without issue before. Now however (v 2.5), this does not seem to be the case. Using smg turrets against demos now results in triggering of the bombs.

I didn't see anything in the patch notes about this. Is this intentional, or an unintended consequence of some other change?

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• Forum: Not A Bug

 

[NickGo]

He's discussing the fact the game really keep changing on what it wants to be, I partly agree but atm im liking were the game is going. Less rpg and hoping for more sandbox and freedom

He was not discussing. The last post was personal. I like the game a lot, and i have my gripes here and there, no doubt the game is not perfect. I personally dislike the magazines. But that's me, there's another player who likes it. And everytime i stand on a skyscraper and watch the cities i am happy how far the game has come. But i also just started with A18.

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Or what? I'm literally mid-conversation with two of the moderators of the website, they already control what's said. You're telling two mods and a random user that their conversation is off-topic like what?

your ego is unbearable mate. there's no "or what?". i made my point, i cant stand you. and that's it, go ahead.

 

[IzPrebuilt]

your ego is unbearable mate. there's no "or what?". i made my point, i cant stand you. and that's it, go ahead.

No actually you made a demand of me. "Take your personal differences elsewhere, both of you" that's not a point it's a demand.

Anyway now we're BOTH polluting the forums with personal issues smh. I'm going to ignore you to stay on topic. I'll assume you'll do the same.

So ■■■■ing funny "TAKE YOUR PERSONAL ISSUES ELSEWHERE also I can't stand you btw" ■■■■ing hypocrite.

 

[Grandpa Minion]

We can truly only speculate but I firmly believe TFP had absolutely no intention of bringing temperature back because it was pretty much silently removed with the armor update and went MIA for 2 years

During that timeframe, numerous items and assets were removed without any explanation. Consequently, everyone has developed their own theories regarding the reasons behind the removal of so many items.
My theory position is that they had no alternative but to eliminate a significant number of the assets that were subject to the royalty agreement established by one of the original founders who departed from the company.
Additionally, I believe that they were compelled to advance the game to gold "1.0" for many of the same reasons, despite the widespread understanding that it remains in an experimental phase.
What ever the reason so many assests where removed we can only speculate or assume why it happend since there really has not been a good enough explaination about it by them.

 

[NickGo]

So ■■■■ing funny "TAKE YOUR PERSONAL ISSUES ELSEWHERE also I can't stand you btw" ■■■■ing hypocrite.

Request, not demand. Anyhow, yes, let's stay on topic i guess.

 

[Prisma501]

Request, not demand. Anyhow, yes, let's stay on topic i guess.

You hit a nerve. He exploded

 

[IzPrebuilt]

During that timeframe, numerous items and assets were removed without any explanation. Consequently, everyone has developed their own theories regarding the reasons behind the removal of so many items.
My theory position is that they had no alternative but to eliminate a significant number of the assets that were subject to the royalty agreement established by one of the original founders who departed from the company.
Additionally, I believe that they were compelled to advance the game to gold "1.0" for many of the same reasons, despite the widespread understanding that it remains in an experimental phase.
What ever the reason so many assests where removed we can only speculate or assume why it happend since there really has not been a good enough explaination about it by them.

Mmm that is an interesting possibility. I do vaguely recall some kind of legal issue a few years back with a former employee but it's absolutely faded in my memory now.

I'm pretty sure the game going 1.0 was pretty much just because TFP probably wasn't going to get away with convincing sony or xbox that they should get a second chance at early access after the first version...went poorly. Obviously it was mostly out of TFP's hands with telltale tanking but I can see why TFP may have had to find a work around to convince sony or xbox that it wasn't gonna happen again.

 

[Roland]

Also they removed the 'Well Insulated Perk' from Fortitude as well, and no mention of why its gone or if its ever coming back.

They removed that when temperature was removed and while it was gone revamped the perks adding the mastery perks and shuffling some to the general category. Now that temperature is back they may or may not bring back the well-insulated perk depending on balance and the new landscape of the perks.

 

[meganoth]

No i would have protested that simplification...in the same way I think the current system is a simplification...because they'd be the same system but with a new item to pick up that you can't even see on your character anyway. My point is though that temperature could have just been done as I just suggested and it'd be in largely the same state as it is now but WITHOUT the two years of being missing. Sure they've made improvements to the temp system like block buffs and some changes to the exact effects of the temps but none of that necessitates the removal of the feature like it was some damaged car part. We can see the XML and source code from both versions you know? it's not a revolution.

Here you say that what they have now for temperature system is rather trivial, but in reality it took months for it to appear in the game after the ■■■■storm, right? So whatever takes a modder 10 minutes does take them (for whatever reasons) a lot more time.
So we can assume that that temporary temperature system would have taken them (with testing, balancing, ...) a lot more time than your modder as well.

And would have been greeted with protests for downgrading instead of protests for removing. So their choice was for the thing that took much less time for the same protests. Maybe a controversial but logical choice.

I'm not stamping him as a liar. I am literally asking him to show us the proof because I don't know what he's referring to.

Since the old forum is gone (and with it all the comments) he is as likely to show those comments exist as you can show they didn't. And if they ever mentioned their temperature plans in video, good luck searching for those comments.

Even when you mistrust Rolands word completely, your own fact finding of "never witnessed it mentioned" is not at all conclusive. It is an indication to maybe doubt words to the contrary, but you really can't state that as fact unless proven otherwise.

There was a mod that came out a few months after 1.0 that re implemented temperature survival. The mod is 36 kilobytes and it modifies 2 XML files for a total of about 100 lines of XML. The vast majority of which were just modifying the temperature effects of the existing 64 armor pieces.
When I tell you it could have been done in 10 minutes. I mean it could have been done. VERY. VERY. Easily.

Anyway I'm not even sure what point we're trying to move toward here. Like what is it you're trying to get me to understand here?

That you are putting up guesses as facts.

 

[Prisma501]

Here you say that what they have now for temperature system is rather trivial, but in reality it took months for it to appear in the game after the ■■■■storm, right? So whatever takes a modder 10 minutes does take them (for whatever reasons) a lot more time.
So we can assume that that temporary temperature system would have taken them (with testing, balancing, ...) a lot more time than your modder as well.

And would have been greeted with protests for downgrading instead of protests for removing. So their choice was for the thing that took much less time for the same protests. Maybe a controversial but logical choice.



Since the old forum is gone (and with it all the comments) he is as likely to show those comments exist as you can show they didn't. And if they ever mentioned their temperature plans in video, good luck searching for those comments.

Even when you mistrust Rolands word completely, your own fact finding of "never witnessed it mentioned" is not at all conclusive. It is an indication to maybe doubt words to the contrary, but you really can't state that as fact unless proven otherwise.



That you are putting up guesses as facts.

You can't take a "modder" that thinks that a game is coded in xml seriously. Nuff said.

 

[IzPrebuilt]

That you are putting up guesses as facts.

I disagree with that assessment tbh. If I were making like a video intended to inform I certainly wouldn't say what I did without any evidence but inter-personally in this conversation I'm telling you that.

1. I don't remember or have any evidence of them addressing it.
2. Nobody has provided any evidence of them addressing it.

I am left to conclude that they did not. Now I'm hearing reports from you and roland that they did which is at least evidence that my understanding of the situation isn't concrete but I still don't see any evidence that contradicts what I remember.

You can't take a "modder" that thinks that a game is coded in xml seriously. Nuff said.

I'm not sure why you think I think that. I made explicit reference to the source code earlier. Also I did reference an XML-only mod that actually did re-enable temperature mechanics after 1.0. So I'm not sure what you're getting at. I've literally done scripting for 7dtd using C# so I genuinely don't know what I would have said to suggest I think the game is created in a markup language...which isn't how games work.

Regardless a huge amount of the work for 2.5 and even 3.0 is actually just XML. In fact there's a mod out right now that adds a huge amount of toggles like 3.0 is going to but i haven't actually checked if it's 100% xml yet.

 

[Prisma501]

I disagree with that assessment tbh. If I were making like a video intended to inform I certainly wouldn't say what I did without any evidence but inter-personally in this conversation I'm telling you that.

1. I don't remember or have any evidence of them addressing it.
2. Nobody has provided any evidence of them addressing it.

I am left to conclude that they did not. Now I'm hearing reports from you and roland that they did which is at least evidence that my understanding of the situation isn't concrete but I still don't see any evidence that contradicts what I remember.

I'm not sure why you think I think that. I made explicit reference to the source code earlier. Also I did reference an XML-only mod that actually did re-enable temperature mechanics after 1.0. So I'm not sure what you're getting at. I've literally done scripting for 7dtd using C# so I genuinely don't know what I would have said to suggest I think the game is created in a markup language...which isn't how games work.

Regardless a huge amount of the work for 2.5 and even 3.0 is actually just XML. In fact there's a mod out right now that adds a huge amount of toggles like 3.0 is going to but i haven't actually checked if it's 100% xml yet.

I think that because you have NOT looked into the changes of the C# temperature code that uses the xml input. Your 10 minutes is moot if you look at the code behind that xml usage. Thus i confirm you are a narcesistic person who believes he is a god modder/game designer bashing TFP for not doing thing the way you would, without the proper knowledge to even do so. Now..explode.

 

[Roland]

During that timeframe, numerous items and assets were removed without any explanation. Consequently, everyone has developed their own theories regarding the reasons behind the removal of so many items.

What timeframe? What items? What assets? They hired new artists to overhaul the world and all the decorations, inventory item art, entity models, and added hundreds of block shapes and POIs. What did you see completely disappear?

Your theory is wrong. No assets in the game belonged to any employee.

 

[meganoth]

You can't take a "modder" that thinks that a game is coded in xml seriously. Nuff said.

Iz seems to be correct here though, the changes he proposes could and likely would have been done in XML only. Though I can't be sure as well, I didn't really look at that specific code. Just guessing

 

[IzPrebuilt]

Thus i confirm you are a narcesistic person who believes he is a god modder/game designer bashing TFP for not doing thing the way you would, without the proper knowledge to even do so. Now..explode.

Ragebait doesn't work if you TELL me you're ragebaiting me that's no fun.

 

[Prisma501]

Iz seems to be correct here though, the changes he proposes could and likely would have been done in XML only. Though I can't be sure as well, I didn't really look at that specific code. Just guessing

Look at the old temperature code being gone and replaced with new code and come back. Please.

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Ragebait doesn't work if you TELL me you're ragebaiting me that's no fun.

Ah, so you didn't look at the code and are grasping. Perfectly clear. Carry on.

 

[meganoth]

I disagree with that assessment tbh. If I were making like a video intended to inform I certainly wouldn't say what I did without any evidence but inter-personally in this conversation I'm telling you that.

1. I don't remember or have any evidence of them addressing it.
2. Nobody has provided any evidence of them addressing it.

I am left to conclude that they did not. Now I'm hearing reports from you and roland that they did which is at least evidence that my understanding of the situation isn't concrete but I still don't see any evidence that contradicts what I remember.

I think Adam the Waster said as well he remembers !?

As I said, the forum was replaced some time ago. Old posts of Madmole or Faatal, or Roland when he was the community spokesman, are gone (and even if they were still here I don't have the time to search for them, sorry). In absence of a paper trail courts tend to rely on witnesses as evidence, right?

 

[IzPrebuilt]

Look at the old temperature being code gone and replaced with new code and come back. Please

That's not what we're referring to though? We're talking about the changes I said they COULD have done rather than removing the feature for 2 years. Which WOULD have been XML only.

I think Adam the Waster said as well he remembers !?

As I said, the forum was replaced some time ago. Old posts of Madmole or Faatal, or Roland when he was the community spokesman, are gone (and even if they were still here I don't have the time to search for them, sorry). In absence of a paper trail courts tend to rely on witnesses as evidence, right?

I guess that's just how it has to be If people say they remember, then fair enough.