Jars one time use, need the crucible and smell ruins stealth even more.

InfiniteWarrior said:
Dom't know the name. Maybe that's it. The old memory isn't what it used to be. But there were intriguing discussions a while back about the myriad ways they could used, everything from bandit ambushes to simple herds of deer to hunt. From the sound, they can be used like Beth's random encounter system.
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Yes. Flat spot code can be used for that but not so much for sub biomes. Flat spot code detects flat spots of land to spawn in things such as the bandits and herds of deer.

Sub-biomes are best left to RWG generation IMO.

Rotor said:
Because in general, in the genre, the cities are the source of neat stuff, but HUGE danger. Discourage early game looters :).
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The game used to have only one proper city and that was the Wasteland. It encouraged people to go there for the abundant loot.

I have multiple takes on the matter so please endulge me.

For one I think cities in every biome would be good because I enjoy the forest the most and while I think venturing into every biome is neat I still want to be self sufficient in the most beautiful biome we have IMO.

I also think large cities should be more spread out or more rare. While cities are super neat they also provide too much to the player. Everything is solved with cities leading to few reasons to explore outside of them. Ideally, the developers keep cities and give us reasons to explore outside of them, but until then cities single handedly make survival effortless with solutions to every problem a block away.

So not sure what to think of them. They are super neat but also solve every problem. I think the streets would have to be more challenging to balance that fact.
 
Kyoji said:
Yes. Flat spot code can be used for that but not so much for sub biomes. Flat spot code detects flat spots of land to spawn in things such as the bandits and herds of deer.

Sub-biomes are best left to RWG generation IMO.


The game used to have only one proper city and that was the Wasteland. It encouraged people to go there for the abundant loot.

I have multiple takes on the matter so please endulge me.

For one I think cities in every biome would be good because I enjoy the forest the most and while I think venturing into every biome is neat I still want to be self sufficient in the most beautiful biome we have IMO.

I also think large cities should be more spread out or more rare. While cities are super neat they also provide too much to the player. Everything is solved with cities leading to few reasons to explore outside of them. Ideally, the developers keep cities and give us reasons to explore outside of them, but until then cities single handedly make survival effortless with solutions to every problem a block away.

So not sure what to think of them. They are super neat but also solve every problem. I think the streets would have to be more challenging to balance that fact.
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Probably would have been best had the game been set in an urban setting from the start because just about everyone I've seen play it has headed straight to those town and cities and not just for the bike but because the wilderness offers very little in the way of resources or anything else of interest to be honest.

Well, they didn't set it in an urban setting. They made it an open world and an open world should be as accessible as possible, else players are going to feel confined in where they go and what they do whether they actually are or not.
 
I think it important to mention that the devs should take all feedback in but with a grain of salt. After watching Izprebuilts new video he suggests that most of his community wants 100% jar return and when reading his comment section I am pretty sure a majority of them do not even play the game or have become so jaded they can't see the forest for the trees and let small details cloud the bigger picture as all they do is bash the game for the dumbest of reasons.
 
Kyoji said:
I think it important to mention that the devs should take all feedback in but with a grain of salt. After watching Izprebuilts new video he suggests that most of his community wants 100% jar return and when reading his comment section I am pretty sure a majority of them do not even play the game or have become so jaded they can't see the forest for the trees and let small details cloud the bigger picture as all they do is bash the game for the dumbest of reasons.
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I think they do. They haven't gone off track that much from what I can tell, though I've had the distinct impression that they watch YouTubers and Streamers and how they play the game to make most of their decisions, e.g. making base building a kind of building a better mouse trap sort of affair because megabase builders do that. But people are actually playing the game as everything from a zombie survival game to a homesteading sim. The on/off options they've provided allow for just about any kind of gameplay or playstyle you can imagine, though stealth has taken quite a hit.
 
Rotor said:
Again, haven't played it yet, but this alone is a genius move IMO.
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When I say, gameplay, I'm referring to those that have been there all along: horde night/no horde night, zombies/no zombies, etc., etc. I've read comments to the effect that a lot of people turn off horde night while they learn the systems, if not permanently, or are even just hanging out in it and tinkering for a while (homesteading, house flipping, camping, etc.) with no zombies or horde nights in sight. They're just using it to chill, iow. That prompted me to test and see how amenable to that it is myself. That's when I really understood the outcry about having a method of water collection from natural sources and why I say people are playing it as everything from a zombie survival game to a homesteading sim and not just how it's designed to be played. It is still a sandbox in that respect. So, the recent effort to make it even more sand boxey certainly won't hurt its appeal.
 
InfiniteWarrior said:
So, the recent effort to make it even more sand boxey certainly won't hurt its appeal.
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Ya, something about walking in another's foot ateps or some such :).

Also, ain't been around for long, but on/off toggles, w/o modding, have been requested since I've hung around these here parts.

So, genius move by TFP, and another listening to the community.
 
For stealth I like how the bar turns yellow if you're detected. That was a good add. But I still miss the cross hair that changes when you crouch. It wasn't broken...why did it get removed. When that got removed it was a very big loss for me. Perhaps bring it back in the form or a perk. That would be great.
 
I wish stealth got a buff to somewhat ignore triggers. Like zombies have a 50% chance to not be triggered while in stealth.

Not sure if that would be too strong, perhaps. But I feel like triggered zombies neutered stealth gameplay quite a bit unless you ignore the pathing in POIs.
 
Kyoji said:
I wish stealth got a buff to somewhat ignore triggers. Like zombies have a 50% chance to not be triggered while in stealth.

Not sure if that would be too strong, perhaps. But I feel like triggered zombies neutered stealth gameplay quite a bit unless you ignore the pathing in POIs.
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Thats what into the shadows is for. Instead of being OP and undetected ALL the time, you trigger a volume, retreat and hide, wait till they lose interest and still can pick them off stealthy one by one. I find it a nice challenge to the "im never seen" stealth, which is just to OP.
 
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