Feedback about the current patch

[Riamus]

That is weird. I'd guess they're probably tweaking it as we speak. There has been a whole lot of conversation about it.

Yeah, they may change it if there's enough feedback about it. But sledgehammers aren't the only things in the game that can increase XP gain. So I'm not really sure how them having a bonus is different from other things that give a bonus. I think it's just more visible.

 

[theFlu]

wouldn´t be surprised if dice are involved at decision making at this point.

Random one-pass-prompt on an LLM from a year ago doesn't sound like an unreasonable guess at points...

 

[pApA^LeGBa]

Yeah, they may change it if there's enough feedback about it. But sledgehammers aren't the only things in the game that can increase XP gain. So I'm not really sure how them having a bonus is different from other things that give a bonus. I think it's just more visible.

It´s double XP and all you need to do is read a book once. I will be at least level 20 on day 7 with default XP, 60min days, single player. That´s not comparable to anything else in the game not even slightly. That´s insane. If 2 people in MP play with the sledgehammer the game stage will rise like a rocket.

 

[Riamus]

It´s double XP and all you need to do is read a book once. I will be at least level 20 on day 7 with default XP, 60min days. That´s not comparable to anything else in the game not even slightly. That´s insane. If 2 people in MP play with the sledgehammer the game stage will rise like a rocket.

It may be a larger bonus, but any bonus will put players out of sync by late game and will increase game stage faster, even if not as fast. As I pointed out, this is just more visible. Anyhow, like I said, they might change it. Or they may not. I have zero interest in sledgehammers, so I don't personally care either way.

 

[pApA^LeGBa]

It may be a larger bonus, but any bonus will put players out of sync by late game and will increase game stage faster, even if not as fast. As I pointed out, this is just more visible. Anyhow, like I said, they might change it. Or they may not. I have zero interest in sledgehammers, so I don't personally care either way.

It´s an early game issue with the sledge. Like i said. Level 20 on day 7, if i keep using the sledge im so dead on day 14. Probably before becuase i wll get rads way too early. There is nothing that is that much out of sync, no matter what, everything else is a 10 or 20% boost but not a 100% boost. And that´s all way later in game where it doesn´t matter that much.

The main issue still is how they didn´t realize that though. That´s just weird.

 

[Riamus]

It´s an early game issue with the sledge. Like i said. Level 20 on day 7, if i keep using the sledge im so dead on day 14. Probably before becuase i wll get rads way too early. There is nothing that is that much out of sync, no matter what, everything else is a 10 or 20% boost but not a 100% boost. And that´s all way later in game where it doesn´t matter that much.

The main issue still is how they didn´t realize that though. That´s just weird.

I would just say not to read that book until you're later in the game if it's causing trouble in the early game until/unless they change it. Since it's a book, you can end up not even seeing the book until late game, so it's only really an issue if you find the book early. I'm not saying it shouldn't be changed, btw.

 

[pApA^LeGBa]

I would just say not to read that book until you're later in the game if it's causing trouble in the early game until/unless they change it. Since it's a book, you can end up not even seeing the book until late game, so it's only really an issue if you find the book early. I'm not saying it shouldn't be changed, btw.

I already read it, didn´t read the description before. I have 5 from 7 books already. Usually never takes long to get them all once you have 2 points in the skill. The last one is always a bit later though but not really in late game and with the sledge i honestly don´t want to avoid the completion bonus. This seriously makes me doubt this game will ever be good again without mods if decisions like this get approved.

 

[Suxar]

What i still don´t understand is why the sledgehammer got so buffed. Double XP for headshot kills? Level 20 before day 7? Seriously? Well, can´t play sledgehammer in MP anymore, just glad no one in our MP used it this time. Messes up the game stage. Who the F thought this was a good idea? In a game where people use the sledge for a decade now and easily headshot every Z with it. The whole MP balance is so off.

This is a problem exclusively for PvP servers, for PvE and co-op it does not matter.

 

[pApA^LeGBa]

This is a problem exclusively for PvP servers, for PvE and co-op it does not matter.

Nope. It is a problem in Coop and SP. I just had my day 7 horde, i was Level 23 and got 3 more levels during the horde. In MP Coop the gamestage raises way too fast with that. It´s double XP. I will get rads way too early in SP. And in MP the game stage of every player adds up, on horde night even when not in a party.

I mean i get it, people like more XP, but that is just wrong. Imagine 2 people using the sledge in a 4 player coop. You might get demos on day 14. After the day 7 horde in SP i am game stage 33. So around 70-75 on day 14, probably higher as i found the book on day 3 so i didn´t have a full week of double XP. So for sure demos on day 14 in MP Coop. That is a problem that needs to be fixed.

 

[Suxar]

I mean i get it, people like more XP, but that is just wrong.

I disagree with you. In the old version, when the perk level affected the quality of the tool/weapon, the level was really nice. In the current version, the situation is the opposite. The equipment level is determined by the magazines found, and the zombie strength is determined by the level. It is much more enjoyable to play with good equipment and a low level. So extra experience is more of a hindrance than a bonus.

 

[pApA^LeGBa]

@Suxar That´s what i said. Too much XP is bad. And a 100% XP boost is simply too much, no matter the situation. That´s simply highly unbalanced.

 

[Old Crow]

What i still don´t understand is why the sledgehammer got so buffed. Double XP for headshot kills? Level 20 before day 7? Seriously? Well, can´t play sledgehammer in MP anymore, just glad no one in our MP used it this time. Messes up the game stage. Who the F thought this was a good idea? In a game where people use the sledge for a decade now and easily headshot every Z with it. The whole MP balance is so off.

It's super weird and kind of stupid. Either the other melee weapons need an exp book, or better yet, change the sledgehammger book to some other effect.

 

[pApA^LeGBa]

@Old Crow This needs a nerf for sure. I am on day 8 now and i get ferals everywhere and i can barely handle them with my gear. Got two feral bikers in POI and only survived because i used a cobblestone nerd pole and i hate having to cheese the game. No chance with my current armor and weapons without cheesing.

I think i have to start over and not use the sledge. Thx for 8 wasted hours TFP.

 

[Riamus]

I just had my day 7 horde, i was Level 23 and got 3 more levels during the horde.

That is normal even with no XP boost items. At least unless you set XP below default or don't kill a lot of zombies. Of course, I also don't sit around doing nothing during the week, so I raise my game stage a lot just through normal activity... usually killing zombies everywhere. If I don't get at least 3 levels on horde night, something is wrong. Sometimes it is lower in later levels before the XP to level stops increasing, but not in the early or late game.

I also get ferals regularly by the end of week 1. They aren't that difficult to deal with, at least with a spear. I'll even attack them on day 1 if I see them wandering around town. Armor doesn't even really matter all that much in this game. Sure, if you perk into it and have Q6 armor, you can last longer than without, but I never perk into it and I'll do T6 quests with Q3-4 armor without a problem. Weapons and weapon perks are far more important to survival.

Anyhow, that doesn't mean the XP boost shouldn't get lowered. Maybe to 50%. I don't really care because nothing they do to the sledgehammer will ever get me to use it. I hate slow weapons.

 

[Corwyhn]

Perfect example of why content creators shouldn´t have any special rights in the upcoming Q&A dev stream like some people suggested.

The weather is also the perfect example how content creators only care about views. Acting like being wet was actually a meaningful debuff when you only recognized that you are wet due to the umbrella icon

How so?

 

[pApA^LeGBa]

That is normal even with no XP boost items. At least unless you set XP below default or don't kill a lot of zombies. Of course, I also don't sit around doing nothing during the week, so I raise my game stage a lot just through normal activity... usually killing zombies everywhere. If I don't get at least 3 levels on horde night, something is wrong. Sometimes it is lower in later levels before the XP to level stops increasing, but not in the early or late game.

I also get ferals regularly by the end of week 1. They aren't that difficult to deal with, at least with a spear. I'll even attack them on day 1 if I see them wandering around town. Armor doesn't even really matter all that much in this game. Sure, if you perk into it and have Q6 armor, you can last longer than without, but I never perk into it and I'll do T6 quests with Q3-4 armor without a problem. Weapons and weapon perks are far more important to survival.

Anyhow, that doesn't mean the XP boost shouldn't get lowered. Maybe to 50%. I don't really care because nothing they do to the sledgehammer will ever get me to use it. I hate slow weapons.

I am never that high on day 7. i have no down time, i was constantly looting, questing, mining, building the hordebase, all day and night from day one. I had the book for double XP at day 3 and i was level 23 on day 7. With default XP setting and i always aim for the head and mostly get the headshot, no idea how you get that high on day 7 without a boost. I even have quickstack and crafting from container so i don´t waste any time in chests. I am not new to the game, i know how to play. I´d really like to see how you do that tbh.

 

[Riamus]

I am never that high on day 7. i have no down time, i was constantly looting, questing, mining, building the hordebase, all day and night from day one. I had the book for double XP at day 3 and i was level 23 on day 7. With default XP setting and i always aim for the head and mostly get the headshot, no idea how you get that high on day 7 without a boost. I even have quickstack and crafting from container so i don´t waste any time in chests. I am not new to the game, i know how to play. I´d really like to see how you do that tbh.

I can't really explain it. I just play the game. Maybe it is from playing 2 player.

 

[pApA^LeGBa]

I can't really explain it. I just play the game. Maybe it is from playing 2 player.

Yeah coop due to shared XP probably.

 

[theFlu]

I can't really explain it. I just play the game. Maybe it is from playing 2 player.

Somehow I was under the impression you played on 90 min days? The coop might be enough, but long days would explain it entirely.

 

[Riamus]

Somehow I was under the impression you played on 90 min days? The coop might be enough, but long days would explain it entirely.

Ahh. Good point. I do play longer days. It is so common that I don't always think of it.