pApA^LeGBa
Hunter
Well that explains it. You made me question myself for a bit there. 
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Feedback about the current patch
- Thread starter Pichii
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It's very interesting that they could make 2 new "monsters" in the form of plague spitters and yetis, new blue and red zombies, but yet couldn't even work up 2 bandits. It's things like this that really makes the devs look bad and disingenuous. It's almost as if they are just adding content just because they can, and not giving thought first. I honestly couldn't care less about the new zombies OR bandits. Just give us the sandbox back. I started sounding the alarm 4 years ago about where it was headed and now we're here. Survival has been leaving the game for YEARS now.
Hello.
First I wanted to say that this game is still cool even after starting to play the game in October 2014.
What I don't understand is why we have to invest skill points into building our rides? Literally everything else is learned though skill books. Every tool, weapon armor and other items are learned this way. I would love it if we could learn how to build vehicles through skill books as well. As I am not a van with some items in the skill try costing two levels of skill points to buy it.
The other thing that I would like to suggest is that all chain link fences for residence be made a block and a half high. They would look more natural that way.
Also some other fencing was made only a block high and it just seems off.
Thanks.
First I wanted to say that this game is still cool even after starting to play the game in October 2014.
What I don't understand is why we have to invest skill points into building our rides? Literally everything else is learned though skill books. Every tool, weapon armor and other items are learned this way. I would love it if we could learn how to build vehicles through skill books as well. As I am not a van with some items in the skill try costing two levels of skill points to buy it.
The other thing that I would like to suggest is that all chain link fences for residence be made a block and a half high. They would look more natural that way.
Also some other fencing was made only a block high and it just seems off.
Thanks.
Hello.
First I wanted to say that this game is still cool even after starting to play the game in October 2014.
What I don't understand is why we have to invest skill points into building our rides? Literally everything else is learned though skill books. Every tool, weapon armor and other items are learned this way. I would love it if we could learn how to build vehicles through skill books as well. As I am not a van with some items in the skill try costing two levels of skill points to buy it.
The other thing that I would like to suggest is that all chain link fences for residence be made a block and a half high. They would look more natural that way.
Also some other fencing was made only a block high and it just seems off.
Thanks.
Huh? Magazines make you learn how to craft weapons, armors, tools AND rides.
theFlu
Hunter
The new monsters are all derivative. The new colors are obvious, but even the new throwers are essentially reskinned cops, with the bugs being a copy of vultures. Bandits require new AI in the form of actually functioning like a human; that part is the difficult bit. If they have that, they can do all the reskinned copies of "a bandit" they like in a short amount of time; but if they don't have the AI, they can't add a single one.
The zombies are basically just new skins, but bandits need a new AI, new behaviour, to make them act like humans. According to TFP they will actually talk to players and take cover.
What are you talking about? New skins? What creatures threw rocks and spit bees before this? I'm just saying that they could have worked on bandits instead. The devs say they wanted to work on bandits but "players were asking for other things". Who asked for the monsters?
theFlu explained this, directly above my previous post. The cop essentially provides the attack animations, you just need to substitute the shape of his spit attack with a rock shape and voila you got a new zombie attack. That is why I said "basically", there was actually more work necessary than with the orange zombies for example, but writing a more complex AI is miles above this.
Who asked for more zombies? A lot of players here in the forums at least. Adam the Waster for example. Matt115. toores. zWolfer ....
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Riamus
Hunter
Skinss is probably a bit exaggerated. There was more to it than that. But they all still have the same AI. Bandits will be different than the zombies. I'm not sure how different I really expect then to be, but they will have their own AI and special actions like taking cover. There is definitely more to it than a new zombie or zombie tier.
Also, bandits aren't just getting tossed in like a new zombie is. They will have other things that are added as part of the bandit stuff. I don't know exactly what those plans are, but POI will definitely be part of it. They won't just add a bandit here and there. They'll add it all as a single update, at least to start with. More updates will tweak things and maybe add additional individual bandits at a later date, but the initial bandit release isn't going to be anything like tossing a new zombie into the game.
As far as people wanting new zombies? That is requested a LOT.
InfiniteWarrior
Survivor
What the devs, et alia, were saying in the stream is that reworking 2.0 a bit is going to put them behind on 3.0 and, therefore, bandits yet again. Had Rick stopped at making that clear, there would be no further controversy, e.g. over Rick essentially blaming the new delay on player and/or community "requests." I'd cut him some slack on that myself because casting blame is an international pasttime at the moment and few are able to resist the urge because it's largely an unconsious reaction/phenomenon. I even have to catch myself.
May I suggest a Rumi poem to potentially quell the turmoil?
"Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing and rightdoing,
There is a field. I'll meet you there.
When the soul lies down in that grass,
The world is too full to talk about.
Ideas, language, even the phrase each other
Doesn't make any sense." (Translation: Coleman Barks)
Ahhhh. Doesn't that feel better?
Bandits are slated for the 3.0 update and I sincerely hope, for TFP's sake and ours, an option is provided to turn them on and off in all but story mode. There likely will be controversies about them as well. In fact, I've already run across one elsewhere and they aren't even implemented yet. Oh, well.