try and take in the depth of what I am angry about: there is no way YOU PEOPLE IN THIS CONVERSATION or The Fun Pimp's or the rest of the devs, honestly believed that an 18 month roadmap was feasible. there just isn't. Every one of you think that I am over reacting about timelines. I would not be here if they had been honest.
I can't even get a straight answer IF they applied for dedicated servers for console yet (speaking of...apparently one of the mods on discord is saying the negotiations are on.)
matter of fact, facts are hard to come by, but vague bs...plenty.
I will never relent on this point: "All dates subject to change" is not a magic phrase. it does not mean forever.
This argument about bandits...there's a good reason I called him schroedinger...he was trying to claim two different things to two different people in the same conversation. I am sorry, but, the bandits either are or aren't...either way there IS still a body in the box. sorta gross analogy but still accurate. He was trying to argue that the body in the box should be enough explanation for both of us...it isn't. How long is this going to take? well it will take as long as it takes...I am on this bs ride because they lied....and yes they lied...because again...there is no way they did not know 18 months was impossible. there is no way I believe any of you believed it either.
First, you should never assume you know what others think about something. Second, I never said I thought the roadmap dates were accurate. In fact, I said I originally estimated 2.0 to be in March even though they said Q4 2024. So I was already extending their dates. Anyone who has been here for any length of time knows they don't hit their dates. You can call it whatever you like... maybe we're resigned to it, maybe we don't care, whatever. In the end, most people who have been here long enough know what to expect and so we don't let it bother us. As I said before, why ruin your day over a game? There are plenty of other games to play while you wait. If they had not made console available last year and instead made it available when gold is released, you wouldn't be upset about having to wait until 2.0 is out. But you might be upset (if not, others would) that you had to wait X amount of time before you could even play the game, let alone play on a dedicated server. Does it really matter if you wait because it's not ready or you wait because they didn't release it until later if the amount of time is the same? At least it's available to play. If that isn't good enough without dedicated servers, then just set it aside until they are ready. I mean, at this point, experimental is out in a week and a half. Unless dedicated servers don't make it into 2.0 (I haven't seen any verification about that), then you don't have long to wait (roughly the end of the month barring major bugs found during experimental). Is it worth being upset when it may be that soon?
Regarding Roland's comments about bandits, I think it is pretty clearly two different things. You see it differently, but at least some of us understood what he was saying. There were two distinctly different topics... one was whether or not bandits could even work with the current level of optimization, and the other was whether or not the bandits were almost finished. Those aren't the same topic even if they are related to bandits. In the first one, they've tested bandits already. So, yes, they work with the current level of optimization and therefore the suggestion that they'll never happen by GM was incorrect. In the second, there are many parts to making bandits interesting and those parts are not done yet. Do bandits work in the current optimization? Yes. Are they complete? No. Two separate things. Just because bandits work doesn't mean they've finished with them. It doesn't mean they've added all the animations for special abilities likes finding cover. It doesn't mean they have all the new AI for them completed. It doesn't mean they have all the bandit POI done. It doesn't mean they have all the bandit/faction story/quests or whatever else done.
Now, you can ask whether or not the additional abilities of bandits and improvements for AI may impact performance and perhaps the estimate of 2-3 zombies per bandit will be incorrect in the end. But will they work in the game? Yes. Are they finished or close to finished? No. If you want to consider those to be the same thing... well, that's up to you. Roland clearly sees them as different things and so did I when I read them even before your response suggesting they were the same. I saw someone else also say they saw them as different things as well.
As far as what they believed, or what anyone believes... you cannot know what people believe. You can make assumptions, but assumptions about anything are very often wrong. TFP has always been optimistic in their dates. They clearly think they can do it within the timeframe they give. Obviously, they know that missing the dates will cause people to be upset. How could they not, considering they see posts like yours every time they are late. They aren't going to purposely set early dates just to upset the community. Why would they? Setting a later date might cause some groaning, but that's not anywhere near as bad as people getting upset about it being late. So from their end, giving a later date is the better option for them. So why would they give the dates they give? It seems a simple answer... whoever chooses those dates believes they are possible. As far as the other employees... some may know they won't hit those dates and others may feel the dates are possible. But whoever sets the dates very probably believes them to be possible. It wouldn't make any sense to set dates they know they can't reach. This isn't something where they are better off missing a date than they are admitting it'll take longer like may be the case in some other industry. But you can believe as you will. Believe they lied if it makes you happy. But I stand by the fact that they can't lie if they specifically said the dates were subject to change. You may not like that phrase, but it's a valid phrase for letting people know the dates aren't set in stone and are general estimates. In fact, it is even a legal phrase in the US.
