PC v1.x PvP Open Discussion

You can't use my admission that I played PvP
Here is the way i see it.. yes this forum and steam has down playd pvp for years....like it or not.... i also realize console is fixn to join the equation...ps5 and xbox players luv them some pvp. I can guarantee in the next couple years on this forum you well prob start to hear alot more about pvp. So maybe start a thread for pvp players? 

 
what we do know for fact at least 17.3% of all accounts have killed someone in this game which means they play pvp... NAPOLEON ACHIEVEMENT.. that doesn't even include players who haven't killed someone, So yeah once again for people to assume no one plays pvp is just ridiculous.

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All you have to do is play Darkness Falls or other similar overhauls that have included the half-developed bandits and survivors since Alpha 15. Every one of those kills counts as a player kill.

Statistically, PvP has never been higher than 5% of the playerbase overall, usually hovers around 3%, and has been scraping around 1% most recently.

 
"We are small indie without much budget"
"18 million copys sold and cant even fix something that is known how to fix and that has been reported countless times how to fix it"

For over 8 years pvp players have been asking them to fix vehicle XRAY... its a simple fix but has to be done client side, simple fov adjustment on the camera.

They have known about the fix but why hasn't it been put in? I'll tell you why its because pvp issues get pushed to the end of the line...

 
I'm not going to lie that I'm glad these developers resisted the "big money" and didn't turn this game's focus to massively multiplayer PvP last man standing during a decade of time when that was obviously the big money making trend for many studios.


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SOURCE???
This is just an AI generated answere without proper source reference. Google is not Google from the past anymore, you have to check the source for credibility. For all we can see this could be taken out of context from a random reddit post or from a credible accountant report.  This number means nothing without context.

FYI: If you select the "Web" tab, the results are better trackable. Learn how to use Google if you want to use it as proof.

what we do know for fact at least 17.3% of all accounts have killed someone in this game which means they play pvp... NAPOLEON ACHIEVEMENT.. that doesn't even include players who haven't killed someone, So yeah once again for people to assume no one plays pvp is just ridiculous.

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Ok... I want that trophy, so I just set up a game with some friends and agree we take turns on killing each other a few times. Trophy gained but does that make us PvP players? Not realy, it just makes us trophy hunters.

 
what we do know for fact at least 17.3% of all accounts have killed someone in this game which means they play pvp... NAPOLEON ACHIEVEMENT.. that doesn't even include players who haven't killed someone, So yeah once again for people to assume no one plays pvp is just ridiculous.

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These numbers are outdated.

Napoleon is at 19% now, which means 18% forgot to party up in co-op. It would be interesting to see what the percentages of actual PvP kills are for all the "killed another players" achievements. "Alexander the Great" is likely under 1%.

And console players do love PvP shooters...especially the ones that provide a lot of hand holding. So I can see two things happening - mouse and keyboard players are going to get aim assisted into oblivion or it's going to be too hard for controller players and they're going to stick with a more appropriate PvP shooter instead.

And there is already a multiplayer section of the forum. Yes, I know it's dead. I wonder why. 

 
pvp and pve needs seperate threads, 90% of pvp players dont even post on this current forum because of the pve bias...


That is their choice to be silent.

People such as yourself also seem to think that this makes them some kind of "silent majority", which is false.  You were here for the big polls back in a13/a14 about preferred gameplay. You were here when we had big PvP discussions, and were provided with actual metrics from reliable sources.

I am curious though, why would anyone expect discussions for a PvE-centric game to be anything other than PvE biased?

It sounds like you are walking into a Chevy dealership expecting to purchase a brand new Maserati.

And honestly, why are we dragging the developer discussion off topic on this garbage?  The discussion probably needs to be its own thread at this point.

 
what we do know for fact at least 17.3% of all accounts have killed someone in this game which means they play pvp... NAPOLEON ACHIEVEMENT.. that doesn't even include players who haven't killed someone, So yeah once again for people to assume no one plays pvp is just ridiculous.

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Lol!  So, first you claim that over 50% have played PVP.  Now you quote the achievement that shows only 17.3% have killed another player.  And you can't even use that as an argument that even that many are playing PVP.  Even if killing a player could *technically* be called PVP, there are a LOT of players who want to complete achievements.  They will ask a co-op player to allow them to kill them enough for the achievement but never actually play PVP.  So, out of that 17.3%, you probably have 10% (generously) who have tried to play PVP in this game, and probably under 5% who continue to do so after deciding that this isn't a good game for PVP.  Far less than your over 50% stats that you claimed.  And that is the stat I said you were making up, not whether or not Roland had played PVP, which I think you know and were just sidestepping the issue rather than admitting your PVP player statistic was made up.

What would be awesome:  That when a player enters their land claim, they become invincible so they can roam on their land and not half to worry about getting killed; along with their blocks. So there is a absolute peace of mind.
Then you'd have an invulnerable and perfectly safe horde night.  Unless you're just referring to safety from players?

 
pvp and pve needs separate threads, 90% of pvp players don't even post on this current forum because of the pve bias...
So what's stopping you from creating a pVp thread?

People while on the internet aren't shy. They won't be afraid to engage in said thread. 

And you have to face the facts here - it's not a forum bias, it's a player base bias. PvP 7 Days to Die is of little to no interest to the player base at large.

You hijacking this thread will do nothing to change that. But it's not like anything else is going on now, so I guess it's ok.

 
battlemetrics is reporting 28939 pvp servers atm with poplulations online atm as high as 33 players for one server 

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Lol!  More misleading stats?  How many players are online right now, total?  I just checked and we have:

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So your info proves that the information you have is that the vast majority of those servers have 0 players.  You can't have more servers online than players and have even 1 player average per server.

Look, you can believe whatever you want, but PVP in this game is a minority and always has been.  That isn't going to change, no matter what you want to believe.  And the more you try to put out false or misleading information, the more people are going to disregard anything you say (this includes your so-called play time, which we all know isn't actual play time).  If you want people to actually listen to your arguments for improving PVP, you should drop all this stuff and just post your arguments without trying to make people think that you are special with your high "play time" or that PVP is over 50% of the player base.  People will actually listen to you more that way.  But it's up to you.

At the very least, you shouldn't sidestep what you're replying to.  You started out complaining about people saying PVP doesn't exist.  I told you that wasn't true and you were making it up.  Your response was that over 50% of players played PVP, which had nothing to do with what I said.  I responded that that stat was made up.  Your response was that Roland played PVP, which again had nothing to do with what I said.  If you're going to reply, at least reply to what was said and not sidestep it.  It just makes it look like you have no response and so are trying another route to get what you want.

 
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pvp and pve needs seperate threads, 90% of pvp players dont even post on this current forum because of the pve bias...
I've been in several discords of other games that were running both PvP and PvE and had sepperate channels for them. PvP side was always quiet compared to PvE and bias was equal on both sides to be honest. I believe the silence is by their own choice, not due to bias. It might have actualy more to do with the nature of the game: Don't show your hand to the enemy.

Small advice: Stop using statistics to "proove" your opinion. Without proper context the same statistics can be used to proove the oposite just as easy.

 
Lol!  More misleading stats?  How many players are online right now, total?  I just checked and we have:

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So your info proves that the information you have is that the vast majority of those servers have 0 players. 
why is it so hard for pve players to admit that people actually do play pvp in this game from all over the world? Thats the whole problem is even though pvp exist pve players want to act like it doesnt.

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i also realize console is fixn to join the equation...ps5 and xbox players luv them some pvp.


Have you realized yet that ps5 and xbox players will only be able to play on 100% unmodded servers? Have you thought about the ramifications of that?

I mean....what if they can't join a server that has more than 8 players....?  :classic_ohmy:

 
what we do know for fact at least 17.3% of all accounts have killed someone in this game which means they play pvp... NAPOLEON ACHIEVEMENT
Nice selective editing there, napoleon, "one player", 19% now that I checked. Next tier, "5 players" 7.9%, the next "10 players" 5.2% ... so unless you're imply people who play pvp regularly have been unable to kill 10 others ... 10 others over as many years? That's Some Real pvpers I'd say. 25 kills drops down to 3% and I'd say that is as likely to be people who play pve with friendly fire on for the lols.

 
why is it so hard for pve players to admit that people actually do play pvp in this game from all over the world? Thats the whole problem is even though pvp exist pve players want to act like it doesnt.


It isn't. Let me say it clearly: There are people who actually do play pvp in this game and they play it everywhere in the word. If you want you can quote me 😉.

Now what I haven't said (because I don't know though I have my guesses) is whether those people are numbered in the tens, hundreds, thousands, .... And that is what we have been discussing here mostly, right?

 
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