Mando
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I hate to say this but that's the first time that I'm going to agree with you on something.
But still, the range isn't the problem here, but the deathloop it's crazy as we both know very well.Mando said:
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bdubyah
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And that is an ignorant way to think. You think any fixes the POI makers have should just not be put into a release until all the other bugs you deem more important are fixed? What sense does that make? You do realize the ones fixing the POIs are not the ones that are trying to fix code related bugs? I'm sure as soon as they have a potential fix for these death issues they will put them into the next EXP release as quick as they can. But that doesn't mean other parts of the game can't get fixes in as well in the meantime...
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Arez
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I haven't put a bedroll down in a long time so I don't know if there have been any changes, but wouldn't there be an option to spawn on your bedroll if one was put down?
And another thing - making games sucks. One simple change can break 3 other things. Once you think you're out...it pulls you back in. So I could never pretend to know what's going to be an easy fix and a pain-in-the-tuchus fix. And I wouldn't be surprised if even seasoned developers wouldn't know what's going to be more of a headache than not.
So to think other less consequential fixes should be ignored for more important things assumes that all fixes are equal. Fixing the paint could've taken 10 seconds while fixing the death loop could take a week. So even if they ignored the paint, it still wouldn't get the death loop fixed any quicker.
Riamus
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Just a question... if this is an issue, why aren't players placing a bedroll somewhere so they have an option to spawn near that instead of only at their backpack? It sounds like they just don't want to run far to their backpack and so are paying the consequences of that choice.
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Mando
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He just made a point about the PvP situation which isn't the biggest problem here.
The big problem here is the deathloop issue and second is when you die without a place to spawn bedroll or backpack you will spawn where you died. For PvP that open the doors for headaches, like spawn camping, or even servers like mine that the raid is allowed players sometimes abuse of this bug with have almost nothing with them and when they die, they will spawn inside of the enemies base, but I have rules for that, anyone that does that during raid will get punished, which isn't a problem, but during combat it's very very weird.
Ideally when you die and have nowhere to spawn it should take you to the map spawn points like it was on alpha version.
I'm only being vocal because this game isn't an alpha version anymore and I'm saying what needs to be said, if you all understood what I mentioned in a rude way, well... I am just a server owner/player frustrated with this current situation and I'm doing my part in reporting them and being quite vocal about it because before things goes into @%$#.
I love the game, I love what they have done with 1.0, but those two bugs are the worse and nobody knows what has been done about it.
No use. For a single-player game there are only unnecessary problems, the elements are already very expensive and are extremely rarely sold, and besides them you can’t buy anything else in the second week. It’s useless for PvE, no one buys anything from merchants there anyway, there are players’ machines where you can buy cheaper and more regularly.
This is unnecessary.
Huh? "In PvE nobody buys anything from merchants"? I can easily show this is wrong, because I buy in SP and my group buys in MP co-op PvE from the trader, even in the second week and later. You may be right about open (PvE/PvP) servers, but there are a lot of players not playing on those servers who might benefit from trader balance changes.
Everyone has their own playing style, of course. But somewhere after the second week, I buy only 5 things from traders: 3 modifications for a dew collector, a solar battery and a solar cell. If this could be found somewhere else, I probably wouldn’t buy anything.
I mainly need brass from the merchant. A stack of scrap contains 6000, and a stack of dukes contains 20000. Which is more convenient for storage.
Granted, but you still didn't answer the question: Why not place a bedroll? Sure, this doesn't help someone already in a death loop. But now the problem is known and we all know it takes weeks between patches and TFP may still have problems recreating/finding the bug. And changing the UI is usually easier said than done, they need a lot of testing time for that. So why not use the workaround?
PS: One of your bugs is confirmed which is a good sign. The other, the deathloop is not. This could mean they are still trying to recreate that bug. One thing missing on that bug report is a complete vanilla logfile. It is NOT that they don't like mods, or open servers. But mods invariably change the logfile so they never can be sure if something unusual points to the bug or just the mod. And only one or more complete logfile gives them all the information.
Maybe you know this already: Fixing a bug is a two step process. QA people try to recreate the bug, then a developer tries to fix the bug he now sees before him because he knows how the bug can be triggered on some test machine.
So if you see or find anyone saying they have that bug in vanilla, get him to post a complete logfile. Or try to recreate the bug in a vanilla server where the complete logfile can be posted. If they can't recreate that bug the bug report will just sit there while the developers fix bugs that could be recreated.
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Thanks, schwanz!schwanz9000 said:
Grandpa Minion
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in pvp players well destroy players bedroll.... Even with a bedroll down same thing can easily happen ......Just a question... if this is an issue, why aren't players placing a bedroll somewhere so they have an option to spawn near that instead of only at their backpack? It sounds like they just don't want to run far to their backpack and so are paying the consequences of that choice.
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Mando
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First, it's a PvP, someone will find the bedroll and break it. Second, even spawning in your bedroll the issue happens
So... nothing else to sayI already tried full vanilla, the same thing happens with or without mods in exactly the same way as I mentioned in game and logs.Mando said:First, it's a PvP, someone will find the bedroll and break it. Second, even spawning in your bedroll the issue happens
First, it's a PvP, someone will find the bedroll and break it. Second, even spawning in your bedroll the issue happens
Thanks. the info that the bug happens even with bedroll was missing or I simply overlooked it. Needless to say, mentioning stuff like this in the bug report can help, any detail really.
The other reason I don't understand: Someone finds the bedroll, the player sees his home icon vanishing (ideally) and puts a new bedroll down somewhere else. That your stuff gets found and broken is after all part of PvP. It would be different if your bedroll could be sensed somehow by other players, but assuming this isn't the case I see no downside to putting down a bedroll, for example in a hidden corner of a derelict building.
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Grandpa Minion
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when our server was looking into having a mo
d to fix the issue this is what he told me.
Interesting. Everything seems to point to the spawning procedure itself being bugged and creating a toon with a death condition, likely because the condition he died from was not removed.
This does not help QA to recreate the bug, this is not about believing or not believing your words. As I explained before, their best bet to recreating the bug is to get their hands on a complete vanilla logfile. Because QA people who have read hundreds of vanilla logfiles will spot irregularities in a vanilla logfile but those irregularities are often hidden under other harmless irregularities a modded logfile produces. And they need a complete logfile because only that gives a complete picture and prerequisites of a bug may be shown **anywhere** in a logfile
Riamus
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Maybe use a mod that makes bedrolls invulnerable? Should be possible, I would think. If nothing else, raise bedroll durability to an extreme amount or something. Might even just make an invisible block with bedroll properties. Something like that would solve the problem faster than waiting on TFP to come up with a solution for you.
Grandpa Minion
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ive already stated what the problem is and how it happens, making bedrolls invulnerable does not solve the issue. Think about it for a sec.. if your on a pvp server and someone kills you....you spawn naked.... guess what? you spawn next to the person who is still holding a gun and kills you again... after a couple times of this happening the person who is being killed goes into the death loop,
Riamus
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If you spawn at a bedroll, then unless the person is camping there, you won't spawn next to them. And you have the option to spawn "near" the bedroll as well, which should give room enough to escape. Your statement that people destroy the bedroll, causing people to spawn near where they died would be solved if they can't do that. I'm just offering options to avoid the problem until TFP does something to resolve it. Or even just let people keep their stuff on death so they can defend themselves after dying. But I understand people like losing stuff on death. Still an option, though.
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