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schwanz9000
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This. No reason to update the jar icons.
They are at the end of the workstation crafting magazine tree which only requires 75 Forge Ahead Magazines to be read. Advanced Engineering will boost the probabilities of finding those magazines. You can also purchase the magazines from the trader or get them as quest rewards.
Crucibles are very rare items that can be found in very specific loot containers that starts around level 100 .
They are also for sell at the traders. Trader Bob has a higher chance of having one since he will be the tools and vehicles guy.
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Roland
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I misspoke. I was thinking empty jars but typed “water bottles”. They decided to remove empty jars because they were infinitely reusable. By removing empty jars they made murky water uncraftable and all drinks one time use “potions”.
Empty cans have also been removed. Anything in the game that is in a container no longer returns an empty version of that container when used. The game is actually more consistent than it ever has been.
It is interesting to me that over the span of this game's development it has drifted farther and farther from "realistic" toward "arcade". I'm referring to things like no magically appearing and disappearing drink containers, etc.
If that's good or bad, I'm not sure. It definitely has changed how the game feels for me. However, I'm one of those odd balls that uses mods in Fallout games to make them a bit more "realistic" along the lines of survival and combat.
Perhaps we can do away with food and water requirements? This isn't a bad thing, per se, though it heavily changes the feel of the game. They aren't required in some games with survival aspects, like Valheim. They are certainly useful in those games, but not required.
It would certainly help the evolution towards a more "arcade" game play design.
If that's good or bad, I'm not sure. It definitely has changed how the game feels for me. However, I'm one of those odd balls that uses mods in Fallout games to make them a bit more "realistic" along the lines of survival and combat.
Perhaps we can do away with food and water requirements? This isn't a bad thing, per se, though it heavily changes the feel of the game. They aren't required in some games with survival aspects, like Valheim. They are certainly useful in those games, but not required.
It would certainly help the evolution towards a more "arcade" game play design.
RipClaw
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That's what I thought. So the best strategy is still to have Better Barter at level 3 and visit all traders every three days.
The boost you get via the perks was described as very subtle and more of a safety net. Therefore, I would be reluctant to rely on it.
With all schematics removed, not a lot is left of Advanced Engineering anyway.
mstdv inc
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Perhaps it makes sense to add a modification for dew collector, which will allow you to collect more water in order to balance the number of new workstations in relation to existing ones.Usually in my game I don't use more than 2 forges, 2 workbenches and 1 chemical station.A large farm of 10 or more dew collector would look strange.Modification (or several levels of it?) would reduce the number of new working combinations to 2-3 in a late game for one player.
Since most often I build my bases from scratch, I will have to spend a lot more construction resources and time to build the necessary base area, taking into account the large number of dew collector.This is unlikely to be convenient.
Since most often I build my bases from scratch, I will have to spend a lot more construction resources and time to build the necessary base area, taking into account the large number of dew collector.This is unlikely to be convenient.
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RipClaw
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Would also be useful for nomadic players. Instead of packing 20 dew collectors every time a player moves, maybe it would be only 2 or 3.
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JCrook1028
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If it takes 10 3x3 dew collectors you don't think that is broken as well? I can see it coming. A base surrounded by them on a Co OP game. Not ideal.
POCKET951
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so the dew collector is a early game item, Forges have addons like bellows and anvils that make them more efficent, is there any chance that dew collectors will have add on slots to make them more efficent/increase capacity. even if they are gated/locked behind high lootstage/crafting recipes (similar to crucible/tier3 items)?
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BFT2020
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Actually a little sad to hear those are gone. I try to see how long I can go without having to create mines for materials based on either gathering materials through looting /scalvaging or just taking 1-2 layers off of the top (like the ore nodes on top or rocks, or digging two layers down in the ground). Those cans were a nice source of scrap iron for me.
Though I can easily mod them back in if I want to.
schwanz9000
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The dew collector is not the only way to get jars of water. Do you guys not quest or loot POI's? There is plenty of murky water out there to be found.
RipClaw
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That's different from what Roland told us
2 bottles from 5 kitchens don't sound like "plenty".
Trankitas
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Talking about waiting and seeing, there's something to see without waiting? @faatal @schwanz9000
Something about bandits perhaps?
Something about bandits perhaps?
Jost Amman
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Are dew collectors movable? Someone mentioned nomadic play style, but IMO those huge collectors shouldn't be movable at all.
What's the difference between a nomadic life and a stationary play style, if nomads can get their "base" with them?
schwanz9000
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They can be picked up inside land claimed areas like all the workstations and electrical traps.
Roland
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I threw out the number 10+. I certainly am not going to need 10+ but others will want to. It definitely isn't necessary to surround your base by them if you don't want to. As I mentioned to Ripclaw, 6 collectors would satisfy his needs for 100 glue per week. Given that Schwanz said there is now more glue in loot he could probably get by with fewer.
10 dew collectors will produce 30 pure water per day. That is in addition to any murky water you find and boil. If you don't think you would need that much water then it won't take 10 dew collectors. <shrug>
This is the crux of your dilemma right here and the key to your solution is modding. If you want to play in a way that completely outside the scope of the basic game then you are obviously going to have to change some things about the basic game. My suggestion would be to make a recipe for murky water out of the pot and snow. Then again by time you make it to your second map you are sure to know the goldenrod tea recipe so you could drink straight from streams and lakes, use a first aid kit to restore your health, and top it off with a goldenrod tea to counteract the dysintery if you get it.
Roland
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Well the post I responded to specifically mentioned kitchens and not whole POIs. Bathroom toilets have a pretty even chance of giving a murky water or paper. Drink dispensors, water jugs, and other drink themed containers have a high chance of containing murky water. The point of my post was to show that in A20 if you raided 5 kitchens you could easily come away with several jars that could be easily refilled forever. You might find a few empty jars, some pure water, a coffee, and some murky water but you would gain empty jars from all the drinks and be able to use all those jars to easily replenish your water supply. In A21 you will come away with much less and no free empty jars that can be refilled. I tested it after responding and I raided 5 kitchens in five different houses and ended up with 2 murky water and 1 coffee. If I had raided the bathrooms I probably would have had more murky water but the challenge to the new system that was issued was that the new meta would be to raid five kitchens and once again have a pot and plenty of water to boil so once again no water challenge. I wanted to show that that was not the case and even adding in the bathrooms that wouldn't necessarily be the case because of the key change-- no more empty jars. Whatever water you found would be a one time use and then you would have to find more.
Hope that clarifies. There is plenty of murky water for drinking. You can directly drink from any water source after all. Nobody should ever have to suffer the effects of dehydration if they are willing to drink murky water. If you are doing a lot of looting you will find murky water that can be brought home to boil. I guess it depends on how much you scavenge if you want to have "plenty" of murky water in your inventory.
RipClaw
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I bet in A21 vitamins and goldenrod tea will become very valuable. Moreover the water filter mod for the helmet will find itself next to the helmet light in every player helmet.
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