stallionsden
Tester
Lol and if gold is 2029 awesome means we will have e lots more stuff to play with.
Sweet I was worried we were nearing the end
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PC STILL can't release A20 or even give an ETA?
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Sweet I was worried we were nearing the end
I'm not a big fan of the huge Alpha cycles TFP have been moved in. In fact TFP (or at least Joel) has stated, that the first really long Alpha release (I think it was A16) takes that long because the development tools will get some updates to speed up Alpha release cycles. But it did not change the release cycle. BUT I think the Alphas have become much bigger, more content, more features, more improvements.
And for me it is quite fine: I paid 10 €, for a game I have 100s of hours played (think most of all games in my life beside some MMOs like WOW, SWTOR or LOTRO and maybe Crusader Kings2/EU4). And every Alpha is some sort of a "NEW" game for me with a lot of things to discover.
I work as a Software Dev myself. And I "love" the guys which make bull @%$# software because of a manager who says that the deadline must be kept in any case. So much crappy software out there because of that attitude. Spend some more time and some more money und you will get a good product. And as long as TFP still sales 1000s of copies they can make 100 Alphas instead of a unfinished GOLD game, where you have to buy a DLC for every crappy extension.
So keep calm, take a breath and enjoy the waiting with some other games from small developer teams.
And for me it is quite fine: I paid 10 €, for a game I have 100s of hours played (think most of all games in my life beside some MMOs like WOW, SWTOR or LOTRO and maybe Crusader Kings2/EU4). And every Alpha is some sort of a "NEW" game for me with a lot of things to discover.
I work as a Software Dev myself. And I "love" the guys which make bull @%$# software because of a manager who says that the deadline must be kept in any case. So much crappy software out there because of that attitude. Spend some more time and some more money und you will get a good product. And as long as TFP still sales 1000s of copies they can make 100 Alphas instead of a unfinished GOLD game, where you have to buy a DLC for every crappy extension.
So keep calm, take a breath and enjoy the waiting with some other games from small developer teams.
7daystodierocks
New member
and all the games yu listed are from multi billion dollar companies so not even close to a fair comparision
how about GTA and diablo and skyrin that have hundreds WTF did you even include them hardly fairValheim - team of 5
No Mans Sky - team of under 10
Get your facts right then "LMAO"
Time for YOU to stop snorting the "Fanboi any crap will do" pill I think...
Anyway I've said my piece and won't get into an argument - you've school tomorrow so don't want to keep you up too late
7daystodierocks
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i dont empathize with OPs comparisions he is saying TFP with less than 50 total workers should be doing the equal work of blizzard that has 1000+ workers in the same amount of time and blizzard prob has a $2b budget per year
Altho i will say the last alpha update we got was borderline pre covid bologna
mprojekt
New member
As far as I am concerned, TFP could put A20 off until 2022 and I would not lose any sleep because of that...
...probably because I was already losing sleep due to tiptoeing about like a frightened mouse, in nightmare mode, through the hallways of the Ostrich Hotel and trying desperately not to wake a radiated wight.
I've got some number over 5000 hours of enjoyment from 7Days and I can't seem to quit it any more than I can quit my ritual, morning coffee. I most definitely feel like I've gotten my money's worth and then some. While I do have minor complaints, most of these issues have been resolved, thanks to all the work that TFP does in each release.
My main gripe is that sometimes, at uncivilized hours in the night, TFP's brilliant game has scared me so much that I wondered whether I piddled.
For an incomplete game, 7Days has provided me thousands of hours of rip-snorting fun that hundreds of other games could not or that were abandoned by their creators before they fixed even half the major bugs plaguing their supposedly "finished" product.
...probably because I was already losing sleep due to tiptoeing about like a frightened mouse, in nightmare mode, through the hallways of the Ostrich Hotel and trying desperately not to wake a radiated wight.
I've got some number over 5000 hours of enjoyment from 7Days and I can't seem to quit it any more than I can quit my ritual, morning coffee. I most definitely feel like I've gotten my money's worth and then some. While I do have minor complaints, most of these issues have been resolved, thanks to all the work that TFP does in each release.
My main gripe is that sometimes, at uncivilized hours in the night, TFP's brilliant game has scared me so much that I wondered whether I piddled.
For an incomplete game, 7Days has provided me thousands of hours of rip-snorting fun that hundreds of other games could not or that were abandoned by their creators before they fixed even half the major bugs plaguing their supposedly "finished" product.
stallionsden
Tester
Yep nearly 10k here for me to. Got my moneys worth and then a tonne more.
It could stay in alpha for a decade more and I still be happy with its progress. Each alpha is like a new game and we get cool new shiny things to play with..
avad
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i wonder why do you care about how this software version is named. does it really matter?
what we want is a entertaining game. you got that it seems if you talk about 3000 hours of fun.
getting still updates for it despite beeing so old should be a welcome bonus.
what extra benefit do you get from it beeing namend "alpha", "beta", "nitro", "the ultima edition" or "#0100000C.000FE800" ?
what we want is a entertaining game. you got that it seems if you talk about 3000 hours of fun.
getting still updates for it despite beeing so old should be a welcome bonus.
what extra benefit do you get from it beeing namend "alpha", "beta", "nitro", "the ultima edition" or "#0100000C.000FE800" ?
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SnowDog1942
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3000 hours and 7D2D is a joke but fallout 76 is a winner. How many hours you got on that winner?
Way over 3k, surely.
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KhaineGB
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Just to comment on the games list.
All of the ones you listed, EXCEPT valheim, had MOSTLY INTERNAL alpha's. Diablo 2 resurrected had a public alpha test (one, we don't know how many internals) and so did Diablo 3.
Valheim? It's still in early access. It's had 24 public builds, only 2 of which were new "major" versions, AKA Alphas.
Alpha 1 - Intial Release.
Alpha 2 - Current version (specifically 0.204.4)
You may have been an IT manager for god knows how many years, but were you an IT manager for GAME development? Because it's very different.
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Roland
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You just came here hoping Ezuna'd tell YOU to go back to school too.
I've told you too many times to count that those boys and girls are too young for you.
KhaineGB
Well-known member
Oh, FYI...
Minecraft had 3 alpha releases (1.0, 1.1, 1.2) and 9 beta releases before gold (1.0 to 1.8)
Rimworld had 10 major alpha versions, with multiple sub-versions in between.
Yes, 7DTD is longer than all of those, but does it matter? Yes, I also want it to be done so I can stop worrying about updating all my mods for the next version and users complaining at me about when my release will be done... but eh. I knew that would happen. It's fine.
Minecraft had 3 alpha releases (1.0, 1.1, 1.2) and 9 beta releases before gold (1.0 to 1.8)
Rimworld had 10 major alpha versions, with multiple sub-versions in between.
Yes, 7DTD is longer than all of those, but does it matter? Yes, I also want it to be done so I can stop worrying about updating all my mods for the next version and users complaining at me about when my release will be done... but eh. I knew that would happen. It's fine.
pApA^LeGBa
Well-known member
Wait, FO76 was used as a good example. Yeah. Sure. Somehow overlooked that one. Now i would acutally bet money on OP beeing a troll. 100%.
I mean i had a lot of fun with FO76 not gonna lie here. But at release it was horrible.
I mean i had a lot of fun with FO76 not gonna lie here. But at release it was horrible.
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Roland
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I played during those beta releases and despite the difference in how they were named they functioned very similarly to the Steam Early Access Alphas we are playing for this game. I absolutely loved following the development and playing each new version of Minecraft and reading the changelogs and discussing the game with others. When I came to 7 Days to Die in December of 2013 I was hoping that it would be a similar experience. I had never tried an Early Access title before but I was not disappointed. It has been a rewarding and fun journey witnessing all the changes.
warmer
Well-known member
well I guess you made your case. You compared one of the all time WORST launches in gaming history due to insane hype and pressure to release before its finished as your litmus test.
*mic drop*
Boidster
New member
I was pretty sure OP should really not be taken seriously or at face value and that no serious discussion would be possible...
...and that was the confirmation I needed. I had a guy like OP work for me once. Always The Smartest Guy In The Room. I think he knew that everybody else knew the truth about him, and it ate him up inside. Didn't last long.
...and that was the confirmation I needed. I had a guy like OP work for me once. Always The Smartest Guy In The Room. I think he knew that everybody else knew the truth about him, and it ate him up inside. Didn't last long.
SnowDog1942
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meilodasreh
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Isn't this argument just based on different individual interpretations of what an alpha version of a software is?
I actively play this game since A16.4, and every public release was totally playable,
without any obvious bugs or the feeling that mayor parts of the game are still missing/not working.
That's not the definition of an alpha version of a software if you ask me.
So TFP could have just called A16.4 gold as well,
and every subsequent update could have been labelled as content update.
There are in fact many game studios who do just that today:
Release an unfinished product right after a very short alpha/beta stage,
and sell you further patches/updates as DLC for another little fee every time.
I have to say I prefer TFP's way, whilst I can see the commercial advantage of the other approach.
...so thx to TFP, for being the stupid perfectionists you are
I actively play this game since A16.4, and every public release was totally playable,
without any obvious bugs or the feeling that mayor parts of the game are still missing/not working.
That's not the definition of an alpha version of a software if you ask me.
So TFP could have just called A16.4 gold as well,
and every subsequent update could have been labelled as content update.
There are in fact many game studios who do just that today:
Release an unfinished product right after a very short alpha/beta stage,
and sell you further patches/updates as DLC for another little fee every time.
I have to say I prefer TFP's way, whilst I can see the commercial advantage of the other approach.
...so thx to TFP, for being the stupid perfectionists you are
