unholyjoe
QA
i venture to say that touching the grass may be the reason for them complaining... ooops wrong grass maybe
btw peeps... the cycle will repeat when we get close to a21 dropping.
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PC Its Annoying That Streamers Get the Game First!
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btw peeps... the cycle will repeat when we get close to a21 dropping.
Roland
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uh..2.5 days later.
weekend. (Thats 2.5 days)
Prejudice against streamers is your real problem. You have falsely set up the scenario that they don't love the game as much as you do and only play it to get views. Maybe they love the game as much as you do AND play it for views as well. You have no basis for the foundation upon which all your anger and seething jealousy and hatred sits. It is all just a constructed assumption. You don't know these people individually but you assume knowledge of their whole "species" and hate them. Classic prejudice.
Clear that gunk out of your heart and your arguments will hold more credence.
This is the sixth time we have done this event and your same prediction has been made five times previously by streamer haters of the past and five times proven false. Every time we have done this there have been thousands of happy viewers and lots of fun happening in nations all over the world by those who enjoy the whole streamer scene. It is not just the streamers themselves enjoying the game. Their audiences enjoy it as well. The developers enjoy it immensely. They watch and they comment in their dev chat and often what they see sparks conversations that bear fruit for everyone during experimental.
Sorry, but five times this event has had proven positive results-- so much so that the owners insist on it continuing on. It is a fantastic soft launch of the game that has consistently netted real beneficial results for the release candidate prepped for the Monday launch for everyone. It is also a ton of fun for those who choose to participate as viewers. I get that you don't count yourself as a viewer and I understand completely. I don't watch professional sports, myself. But it is your choice to abstain.
But you should know that the number of people who enjoy watching streams has been growing and not shrinking. And now, thanks to TFP, you don't even have to just watch and chat. You can participate and several of the streamers in our list plan to use Twitch Integration for the weekend event. So fun!
Look, you erroneously thought it was a whole week and it isn't. It's just 2.5 days.
You erroneously think that streamers aren't true gamers who don't really love gaming.
You erroneously think that streaming is some small fringe fraction of the playerbase.
You erroneously think that early access which we all paid for is somehow being suspending during that weekend.
If you will allow yourself to give up these notions you will feel much better.
BFT2020
Well-known member
Even better. See, I was fine with 7 days and you promised us 2.5 days later
In my latest post, I did get the wait period correct; though I still think it doesn't matter if it is just a few days later or 7 days later. The amount of time to wait is minuscule compared to life as a whole.
This is fine as an emotional speech about respect and wants of players who got to play a game years ahead of its release for a pitiful $20. Which is to say I disagree, but emotions can't be argued about. For starters you first would have to show actually that it is disrespect and that you have a right to a new version of the game immediately when someone else gets it. Which a few people posting before me have shown to be wrong.
So sadly your argument is still a bit light on actual arguments up to this point. But luckily you are better than that:
Actually an argument and one I didn't think about. They might have seen features that are not in the game when they buy and play it.
BUT on the other hand I would think that streamers boast enough of their **exclusive** access to a version everyone else only gets after the weekend. So confusion should be rather minimal, and disappointment about having to wait ~2 days is on the same order as buying something online or buying a new MMORPG and then waiting for a free spot on their server. But unlike those cases a players gets to play A19 in that time which should be almost the same for a novice player that has his hands full with finding enough food and staying alive when entering his first POI.
Looks to me an insignificant downside against the proven worth of this marketing stunt
Since I never argued about bug fixing being a serious reason I also would not argue for releasing even if I were sure all MF bugs were fixed. This is a marketing stunt which showed its value already a few times and some MF bug being shown in some streams for a game in EA (!!!) is a risk I would take without hesitation.
So a streamer shows a showstopper bug and nets no new customers? That means all the other streamers still get new customers for the game.
loganjhunter
New member
Speaking from experience being a mod for Grand Spartan, I can say that the streamer weekend attracts a huge crowd and has always been a positive experience. For the most part the 7 Days community overall has been great. Sure you get the occasional chucklehead, but lets face it, you're on the internet and you're going to get them no matter what community you belong to.
/goes back to hiding in the shadows
Blake_
Captain Obvious
That success is limited in its implications, but exciting nonetheless. Let's hope that they are able to replicate the experiment. Then we shall have giggling Jen's features beyond the standard model.
Roland
Moderator
False. No matter what, the release will be on a Monday. There is no delay. If we cancel the weekend event it doesn't mean everyone gets it Friday. It means everyone is getting it Monday. Since we are not cancelling the event, you still get it Monday as you would have if you lived on Earth52777
Soft launches are a tried and true method of making sure all customers feel fully respected on the actual launch day. The only difference between this soft launch and any other for many many products and services sold around the world is that we are allowing our soft launch to be broadcast for entertainment and fun and celebration rather than just privately letting Australians try it out first since they always see tomorrow before the rest of us anyway. (Seriously, Australians are often the recipients of soft launches. Fact.)
Running a soft launch is no disrespect. It is actually the opposite. We respect you too much to blindly release an experimental version to thousands before doing some last minute checks with a couple hundred whom we can watch and get exciting feedback from just as an observer.
If you think soft launches are disrespectful then you've been disrespected by many companies for most of the products you use and movies and other entertainment you engage in and probably never knew. Much healthier
to just agree that a soft launch is not really disrespectful to anyone.
Now your heart's true driving force is revealed and we see that it is hate, spite, envy, and intolerance. Your argument is muddied by these things.
Your problem here is that you are trying to feed us worst-case scenario "Just think of how it could all fail and be unsuccessful" conjecture after we have seen five fully successful events in the past. When I stack your speculation of why it is probably a bad marketing scheme next to the history of success, your worries are not our worries. It is going to be fun and entertaining and celebratory for those who choose to participate which will be more than ever before. We just quintupled our number of Chinese streamers this time around. Thanks for your concern but the last five successful events were a great success and people forgave any bugs they saw and devs took notes of any bugs they saw and the full launch on Monday was better for everyone in both stability of the launch and expectations of the customers. Its definitely been win-win. We have zero reservations about what sentiment outweights what. The pleased and happy crowd win by a landslide.
I think you meant incontrovertible points. You feeling disrespected is incontrovertible as we can't control how you feel. The whole streaming event is getting less and less controversial each time we do it. It is growing each time and gaining more and more popularity and making inroads into more and more countries and languages. It will be more interactive this time around for those who use the twitch integration. Those who are entirely against streamers and video game spectating are a rapidly shrinking demographic.
Alpacko
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Demonoid74
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I am entirely against streamers and video game spectating...as I find that completely pointless and the equivalent of watching grass grow or paint dry on the interesting scale...
BUT , I would much rather "streamers" actually PLAY THE DAMN GAME and review it , then BS game reviews and magazines...Have Never forgotten that Gamespot review on the original X-Com for PS1...29% - "A boring game about planet colonization..." yeah...arguably the best version of X-Com made and they didnt even play the game obviously...
BUT , I would much rather "streamers" actually PLAY THE DAMN GAME and review it , then BS game reviews and magazines...Have Never forgotten that Gamespot review on the original X-Com for PS1...29% - "A boring game about planet colonization..." yeah...arguably the best version of X-Com made and they didnt even play the game obviously...
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Doomofman
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BFT2020
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SnowDog1942
Navezgane's Perv
I like seeing complaints about streamers, it means we are close to release!!! Keep it up!!
Scythe-Messiah
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It sounds like the emotional core of your argument is about feeling disrespected, jealous, and entitled to having the experimental update they are choosing to artificially allow access to. I get that that it sucks, I really do. There's nothing wrong about being passionate about wanting something you enjoy. Sure, the first streamer weekend I thought "Man, this is @%$#ty, let me just play the damn game". In my mind, jealously was about taking, entitlement was about it being owed, and disrespect was about not getting what was deserved due to loyalty.
Here's the thing right? To get BEYOND those feelings It requires an emotional reframing for proper understanding and wisdom: Do I want the game to be even more successful? Do I want TFP to keep developing the game? How do I even support development when I bought my copy YEARS ago? How can TFP keep solvency without exposure to new audiences to expand the player base? Can the core 'loyal' audience pay the bills of development alone? Am I willing to delay my gratification so the devs can get their needs met while they work on the game? Am I saying their needs really aren't okay with me?
There's no DLC for the game and there's no monthly subscription. My dollar per hour is a little more than pennies at this point. To not express my gratitude for that fact alone is utterly shameless and absurd. I've gifted easily a dozen copies of the game, like I've done with other games where my dollar per hour is fractions on the dollar because I'm the one who owes them. Gotta respect what you put your time into. Streamers, youtubers, and modders all do their part. I never would have found the game had I not seen a stream then watched a lets play and thought with a sense of trepidation "Man, I can't wait to play that".