MechanicalLens
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Sage's bets:
- Lathan dies 8 times
- Rich dies 5 times
- Madmole doesn't die because he's a boss
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- Lathan dies 8 times
- Rich dies 5 times
- Madmole doesn't die because he's a boss
Adam the Waster
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Trader bob after entering the wasteland. 1500 dukes!
Trader rekt: 1750 dukes
Trader joel: 2000 dukes.
take it or leave it
goodnight im going to eat the mushrooms that are growing out of my bed!
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Laz Man
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I dunno lathan plays 20 minute days horde every night....might want to factor that in.
Lathan probably has the most practice among the 3. I guess it depends what settings they go with too...
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Ideas are supposed to go in Pimp Dreams thread, but that rule has not been followed unfortunately for at least a month. Roland is slacking.
Khalagar
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SnowDog1942
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Blake_
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Lathan is -I think- the better player of the three. Madmole is a close second when warmed up . I 'd barely seen Rick play, but I'm guessing he will go for the Player kill asap .
This stream will be a huge success.
We got Gru, Arnold Schwarzenegger and Jason Lewis together !!
This stream will be a huge success.
We got Gru, Arnold Schwarzenegger and Jason Lewis together !!
Aldranon
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The open floor plan of the new stores seems almost perfect for fighting with turrets.
I would like to see a weekend streamer use turrets in those new POI's and put the word "turrets" in there Youtube titles so I can see how it works.
Khalagar
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@madmole it was asked in chat but never answered, does the Tech Junkie skill affect the Junk Sledge attack speed while it's being held in hand? Also, does it get damage increases from increasing Int like the Junk Turret does?
Junk sled had some really bad showings again, it only does 14 base damage compared to an Iron Sledge doing 37, and the target tracking when placed had problems like I feared. Problems, as in it never landed a single hit on a single zombie that was moving in any way. It seems like it's mainly going to be handheld mode for me, but after seeing it's damage if it doesn't get buffs from Tech Junkie and the Int perk . . .rip
I think it could have some potential if it gets all the Tech Junkie attach speed buffs while held, but melee for int tree is not looking good. Stun Baton still needs love, so int tree basically doesn't have a melee weapon and will end up using Axe and Sledgehammer again which would be a waste of two really cool weapons that already have full assets and coding, they just need number buffs
Wut. No offense to Lathan, but Madmole would 1 vs 2 both of them at the same time 10 times out of 10 lol. Lathan plays very similar to my friend who I lovingly refer to as an ADHD Run and Gun Only™ player. Drops all crafting resources like clay, cobble, cement, rotten meat etc, basically only picks up bullets. He also does the same thing my friend does that drives me crazy, where he doesn't place a bedroll down. He only remembered to right before he died because chat was telling him to every 3 seconds
I don't think he or Rick either one would last more than a couple of days max in a "One life only" play through, where as Madmole would be fine
Junk sled had some really bad showings again, it only does 14 base damage compared to an Iron Sledge doing 37, and the target tracking when placed had problems like I feared. Problems, as in it never landed a single hit on a single zombie that was moving in any way. It seems like it's mainly going to be handheld mode for me, but after seeing it's damage if it doesn't get buffs from Tech Junkie and the Int perk . . .rip
I think it could have some potential if it gets all the Tech Junkie attach speed buffs while held, but melee for int tree is not looking good. Stun Baton still needs love, so int tree basically doesn't have a melee weapon and will end up using Axe and Sledgehammer again which would be a waste of two really cool weapons that already have full assets and coding, they just need number buffs
Wut. No offense to Lathan, but Madmole would 1 vs 2 both of them at the same time 10 times out of 10 lol. Lathan plays very similar to my friend who I lovingly refer to as an ADHD Run and Gun Only™ player. Drops all crafting resources like clay, cobble, cement, rotten meat etc, basically only picks up bullets. He also does the same thing my friend does that drives me crazy, where he doesn't place a bedroll down. He only remembered to right before he died because chat was telling him to every 3 seconds
I don't think he or Rick either one would last more than a couple of days max in a "One life only" play through, where as Madmole would be fine
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madmole
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I got twice as many kills as them combined, built the base, AND leveled the most, and died last I THINK. Granted Lathan was running around with fists quite a while. Anyhow GG's.
faatal
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No bug there that I know of. If they can hit and then try to hit you, that is correct behavior regardless if they can move or not.
MechanicalLens
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I made the bet that you wouldn't die at all, but since you achieved the most and died last, I count that as a winning bet. GG!
faatal
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Pain resistance is already in A18 and A19 as a decaying percentage. The difference being in 19 it builds up faster per hit and hit anim logic has been redone with how they react (blend in/out, speed).
Khalagar
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How will this mechanic work with the Junk Sledge? It seems like it's main (intended) use is to stagger / CC zombies, so any kind of stun or CC resistance changes would hit it even harder than life is already hitting it.
I was trying to think of hallway set ups where you could have the two junk sledges hitting at the same time, but any kind of CC immunity will shut that down . That might even explain why the Junk Sledge basically never did anything in Lathan's stream at all, it might have been nullfiied by the zombies being immune to it's stagger
faatal
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Zombies are not immune to its stagger. I just tried a q1 sledge, with no perks and it worked reasonably well. The main weakness is a typical zombie gets hit once by it and staggers past it. If I kite it back around it does several hits and if it gets a knockdown, that zombie is generally dead as it repeatedly bashes them.
The better way to use it seems to be to place it sideways to the enemies path and it will hit them twice as they walk by. Free hits. Free damage. I'll take it. Once you get some perks, it should be even more useful.
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MechanicalLens
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I suppose using it facing a closed door the zombies are bashing on (such as on horde night) would work well?
Khalagar
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Is there a chance of it being able to rotate to track enemies? It seems like it currently only hits things directly on the block in front of it, perhaps not even at a 2 block range. Not sure if making it able to hit on all sides of it would cause a ton of head aches engine and programming wise, but it would make it more appealing. Even Lathan in stream just threw it down and went back to knuckles, and even the basic wooden club seemed more useful sadly
Don't want to be negative, just don't want another stun baton situation. I was initially the most hyped by far for the Junk Drone, but the more I learn about the Junk Sledge the more I really want it to be good! It just seems like it's in a situation similar to the knife and stun baton where you are like "I could use this thing to hit the enemy 24 times and kill them after 10 seconds of fighting for my life. Or I could just one shot them with a sledgehammer with zero perk investment"
That's how Madmole had his in the castle video, but if that's the only way to use it, it would basically would confirm it for auto vendor tier past super, super early game because a single junk turret would just be flat out superior and you can only have one active so you will obviously choose the better one.
People keep saying "It's only a tier 1", but ignore the rebuttal "It's the only melee weapon the Int tree has besides the stun baton". ATM even if you were using Stun Baton + junk sledge you would *would* still be super gimped compared to someone just using a better melee weapon and actually killing their target outright.
Lathan may not be using it optimally, but his usage seems exactly like how new players will try it, and the chat pretty much instantly wrote it off as garbage, which is how new players will see it after they throw it down then get their teeth knocked out when the turret fails spectacularly to do anything.
Waste of assets and dev work, too cool to fail! I think if it could at least just swivel to target a 2 block radius around itself with better hit tracking it would at least be arguably viable in more situations than "throw it down outside your door for horde night and forget about it as soon as you get a junk turret"
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MechanicalLens
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Well, you saw the contents in the chests that Fubar_Prime was getting. Stone spears, scrip iron and padded armor, bone knives, some ammo... And since we apparently won't be getting guns in loot until levels 10-15 (maybe 20), we probably won't be getting Junk Turrets until around day 14, or 21 for slower levelers... So yeah, super early game.
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Khalagar
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Problem with this mentality is it's all the int tree has. So their main melee weapon is basically a bone shiv. They were already hitting level 10 by the end of a 3 hour play session and starting to get tier 2s like double barrel shotguns, iron and steel knuckles, baseball bats etc. Even if traders get nerfed to match loot in A20, you'll move past the Junk Sledge within a couple of days in game and then just throw it in a box or vendor it.
I dunno, I just don't see why people are so opposed to just, y'know, making it viable and having it scale to end game as you invest perks into it. The asset and dev work is already done, all they would have to do is just make sure it scales well with bonus damage and attack speed and stagger chance from the Tech Junkie skill so that at max perk rank it can actually have it's own niche
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