Puzzlepants
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how bout we all agree that it is a bad mechanic and has no place in the game? ok then.
PC You can't say that this not purposefully punative.
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AlertPimpin
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"Oh, they set the game up for me to solve a problem but I failed... what a stupid idea...I should be able to kill everything mindlessly with a mining tool."
He complains for half of the video about something that could very obviously be handled by taking a moment to think about the situation. After the first death think about a strategy.. not get trapped in the corner and die.. then rush in and die again(hurting himself in the process, no less.)
A channel with 800K subs over 5 years is noteworthy, but it lends you no credibility when you die repeatedly in a situation you were not prepared to handle and then complain about hitboxes incessantly. If you can't problem solve on the fly, asking the devs to nerf mechanics that other people have no issues with is a braindead response. Maybe try a different approach? Maybe be prepared to defend yourself in POIs?
A youtube channel was suspended due to it being centered around pranks that were classified as child abuse.. It had many subs. Stay on youtube long enough and people will sub to your channel. I had a channel with 5 short music videos i didn't care about... I only wanted to share these vids with my friends. It had 1k subs. Subs are free... they mean absolutely nothing.
No problem. Learned it at level 1. I often break windows at the early levels, cause it is easier, than breaking doors. After few attempts at jumping in, I learned, that jumping is now equal to screaming as loud as possible.
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To be fair, thats what makes his playstyle entertaining and ours not. I dont think people would be very interested at watching me taking my time and carefully checking every corner. After few poi visits they would just get bored.
JCrook1028
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Hint for ya - Playing badly is often better for an entertaining video......
Feycat
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Have you watched The Girl With All The Gifts? If not, you should, I'd say it's the best zombie movie since 28 Days Later, but people don't look at it because of the title.
Sleeper zombies in that movie are the creepiest damn thing you will ever see. And they're not there because they died there, or because there is still food. They're there because they're in sleep mode. Conservation. There's no reason for them to move, so they don't until something triggers them. They cluster up in areas and then shut down. There's no point running all over the countryside, wearing everything down if there's nothing to hunt. And the zombies in this game (weirdly) don't seem to care about animals.
stupid
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I don't think anybody is disagreeing that he made a series of dumb choices. He admits it himself and acknowledges he's a casual player.
Did he ask the devs to nerf the mechanics? Because I don't think he did. He complained that that having a broad swinging melee weapon miss if the crosshair is not directly over the target is just bad and unintuitive gameplay. He argued that stealth was very important, yet the stealth mechanics were poorly implemented. In the end he said that the gameplay needs to be smoother and properly balanced and that he expected better from a game which has been in development for so long.
Do you actually believe that nobody has issues with these mechanics? Do you really believe that?
JaxTeller718
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I really wish people would stop humble bragging their hours in game or that they played pre-alpha.
As if that means you are a great player or have some secret sauce others don't. All it can mean is you spent 4000 hours sucking at the game and not learning a single thing.
Go ask Sisyphus how many hours he spent trying to get up that hill.
As if that means you are a great player or have some secret sauce others don't. All it can mean is you spent 4000 hours sucking at the game and not learning a single thing.
Go ask Sisyphus how many hours he spent trying to get up that hill.
Vedui
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Absolutely plausible, without a story in place anything can be made up. Doesn't mean it's a good idea always. However it's less of an issue of plausibility than what "feels" right (which admittedly is individual!). You could argue the the duke kidnapped 30 prisoners from far away countries and put in ever town house too. And weakened all the floor boards in key positions. And ... and ...and. But at some point it becomes too much perhaps?
If you raid 10 houses, and 9 of those seem to have "purposely crafted death traps" then sure the Duke can be blamed for everything, but players start feeling it's a fight vs developers, not a fight vs zombies. At the same time, it has to be challenging. So I know it's not an easy thing to get right.
A somewhat analogy I might use of screechy sudden jump scares to frighten the audience in a horror movie. Not because it was realistic or logical or called for, but coz it's a cheap trick to get the audience a heart attack. You can do it, but eventually people get bored of it, or stop watching, as it takes the focus away from the story when there's cheap tricks continually to startle, rather than having a scary movie through story, setting, atmosphere.
All I hope is that it's taken into account, and make sure it hits the right balance. If "now" is seen as the right balance, then alright. I just (and none of us players have played enough) keep hearing people feeling it's frustrating rather than enjoyable, so I take the feedback seriously and consider it
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Viktoriusiii
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THIS. So much this.
A17 has become a fight vs developers. Levelgates are put there by devs without ingame explanation.
Zombietraps that make no sense. Jumping is one of the loudest sounds ingame and wakes up every sleeper in 90 mile radius (you cant clear any poi silently because even those that have a path need jumps)
This started way back in A15 with random landmines in wasteland and on top of cranes and random POIs (to be fair... Boobytrap was pretty funny... )
Good example: the chemistry tower (no idea what its actually called) it makes sense how its structured. Stuff collapsed, last barricade with mines and spikes and so on.
Bad example: Book tower (there is a 3x3 that simply collapses without any reason)
Bad example: nearly every new poi, where zombies are inside walls and there are like 5 in a one room POI with one bed (do i wanna know the apocalyptic things they did?) Random deathtraps that neither have a reason or are somehow preparable
Intuitive world and counterplay are two things you SHOULD NEVER sacrifice for forced difficulty.
Xtrakicking
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I feel like this is the exact reason why so many people hate zombie dogs.
RestInPieces
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I hate them because of their frame-skipping animations mostly.
Viktoriusiii
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Zombiedogs and wolves:
faster then the player
super small making it difficult to see them
weird hitbox (bites go through even though they are over 1/2 block away)
nearly every atk is a bleed (on its own realistic and understandable)
spawn from very early on, which means the first encounter often happens when you have only bow&arrow
completely silent when in a "wandering horde" meaning you have no way of hiding
THAT is why I hate dogs.
Yes I cna mostly manage. But they are no fun. They give me no counterplay except "see them first or die" (or use frames to get the highground, which I count as A.I. exploit)
I have found methods of dealling with them. But most of them are abusing bad AI or other systems (like temporary stun when HS, kiting them)
Its not like a zombiecop for instance.
Danger: super high damage, projectiles mean you aren't safe on range, explodes on death, killing you or weakening your defenses
counterplay: very loud!, slow, projectiles can be dodged when you focus on him, explosion oftentimes also kills zombies around him
Do you see the difference?
One is high danger, high counterplay, high reward, the other is high danger, near 0 counterplay, 0 reward.
faster then the player
super small making it difficult to see them
weird hitbox (bites go through even though they are over 1/2 block away)
nearly every atk is a bleed (on its own realistic and understandable)
spawn from very early on, which means the first encounter often happens when you have only bow&arrow
completely silent when in a "wandering horde" meaning you have no way of hiding
THAT is why I hate dogs.
Yes I cna mostly manage. But they are no fun. They give me no counterplay except "see them first or die" (or use frames to get the highground, which I count as A.I. exploit)
I have found methods of dealling with them. But most of them are abusing bad AI or other systems (like temporary stun when HS, kiting them)
Its not like a zombiecop for instance.
Danger: super high damage, projectiles mean you aren't safe on range, explodes on death, killing you or weakening your defenses
counterplay: very loud!, slow, projectiles can be dodged when you focus on him, explosion oftentimes also kills zombies around him
Do you see the difference?
One is high danger, high counterplay, high reward, the other is high danger, near 0 counterplay, 0 reward.
RestInPieces
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Also travelling in packs. They feel more like artificial homing missiles than dogs/wolves. Could be more "natural" - for example they could approach you slowly at first while growling and then attacking you straight on after a small delay.
Jedo
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I have encountered dozens of dogs and wolves in A17 (freaking pack while I was digging for treasure), but I just pop up and run as soon as they come, sometimes after a first bite. I have not died. I have not used frames.
I don't see the big deal. I think they were harder in past alphas.
I don't see the big deal. I think they were harder in past alphas.
Viktoriusiii
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Yes and no.
In A17 attacking is... weird for every enemy.
That is why vultures just fly like a homing hummingbird missle behind you. Or why no zombie ever hits you (non running ones) if you kite them.
Their attack radius is super small and they will stop their attack if you go outside that radius in the first 0.5 sec. (with zombies you can nicely see it, when they rais an arm to attack but somehow dont attack afterwards)
But this is something Isuspect will be fixed in the full release. And then my statements are correct again.
So he is another one who can't fully grasp the meaning of an experimental or EA.
Apart from that this thread happened not because of him directly but because one of his followers took the video as proof that "You can't because it's clear that the entire purpose of this player trap is to ensure that you die and that you can never retrieve your stuff.". Which the video can't prove when the player makes dozens of relatively obvious mistakes. Why he does them doesn't matter really.
Severalboxes
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Watching that video was a great laugh. For someone who says he played since prealpha, he didn't seem to have any sense on how to play.
That POI is designed to kill, and basically spells that fact out with the words on the wall.
That POI is designed to kill, and basically spells that fact out with the words on the wall.
I came to post something similar. When he used to play with Kage and Star he was always the one holding the other two back. He was never prepared and seldom helped with anything. If one of the other guys got something good he usually tried to weasel it off them. It's no big surprise he's having a hard time.