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Wilderness survival Mod
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Kubikus
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I was unaware of the fact that hua had used that UI before. As soon as he was told not to, he deleted that mod. But I still believe that he does not understand the rules, because they were not explained to him. Subquake only linked his personal TOS.
And I do know that some people give permission. Some don't. I think everybody should. It's fine if they don't as well. There is, bottom line, no actual reason to discuss this to hell and back, but, you know, when ppl persistently misrepresent what I say, *shrugs*, why should I not correct them.
Guppycur
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You also don't know that he and his team have been in private communication with varying mod authors, or that the varying authors did some research, or that the mod itself is built off of a pirated copy of 15.2, or... The list goes on of stuff you don't know.
Just keeping with the "you are painfully unaware" theme.
Read the thread. People went from "this looks great" to "whoa nelly" very suddenly. That's because things happened that... Wait for it... You are unaware of.
But why let that stop you from arguing from a position of lack of awareness...
Carry on, it's nap time for me.
Just keeping with the "you are painfully unaware" theme.
Read the thread. People went from "this looks great" to "whoa nelly" very suddenly. That's because things happened that... Wait for it... You are unaware of.
But why let that stop you from arguing from a position of lack of awareness...
Carry on, it's nap time for me.
Kubikus
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If I would let a potential lack of awareness stop me from arguing, I could never argue at all. I could never have an opinion at all, because there might be aspects that I don't know.
Then again, I did admit from the very beginning, that the guy might've done something wrong. So what's my mistake in your opinion? Not following your lead?
Subquake
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This thread has gone way out of scope and into the realm of philosophy and all kinds of hypotheses, talking about you - Kubikus.
Yesterday evening I got contacted by people related to this mods development from the Chinise website (origin of the mod), and from what they explained huannan5300 acted without their knowledge and they did apologize for using my UI as basis for their mod without contacting me first and the issue was resolved to some extent in a civilized manner regarding my UI.
As for the custom assets involved from the Starvation mod, it's up to the Starvation team to decide how to resolve this dispute. I did try to explain them, that it's wrong to use asset files from other mods to make their own without the approval of the original mod author and that they should buy the involved assets, but I think I didn't quite reach them because of the language barrier.
Yesterday evening I got contacted by people related to this mods development from the Chinise website (origin of the mod), and from what they explained huannan5300 acted without their knowledge and they did apologize for using my UI as basis for their mod without contacting me first and the issue was resolved to some extent in a civilized manner regarding my UI.
As for the custom assets involved from the Starvation mod, it's up to the Starvation team to decide how to resolve this dispute. I did try to explain them, that it's wrong to use asset files from other mods to make their own without the approval of the original mod author and that they should buy the involved assets, but I think I didn't quite reach them because of the language barrier.
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Kubikus
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Discussing fundamentals can never be wrong. The conclusions shape future behaviour of the reasonable.
That the guy has stolen the whole mod from someone else is indeed an option I did not consider.
Sounds like you did the right thing, very good. Do we not have anybody around here who speaks English and Chinese? Cuz I'd really like to play that mod. Who knows how large the Chinese modding scene is and what kind of wizardry they've already come up with.
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And this underlying thought is the very basis of my stance: This is a great mod. No matter if everything in it was stolen. It is a work of art, that shows talent. It's definitely worth to do everything possible to help out whoever made it to come clean. Do their art legally.
And there is actually good reason not to write one's own UI: If there already is a good one and one prefers to spend one's time creating something new. That's why I believe that anything should freely be shared among modders.
Prisma501
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Perfectly valid opinion. But thats all it is.
Up to any modder if they want to share or not. You can stand outside the field and yell all you want about how you think the modders should all share their work. But more than yelling it won't be. You have made the suggestion. You're done. Still any modder has his/her own mind to make up. And "you finding a mod you MUST play" but cant because of a modder not willing to share. Tough luck. No need to write 6 novels on that suggestion just to get your hands on it.
Sooooooo, thanks for the suggestion! Nothing is gonna change one bit, trust me. And thats a good thing imo.
Cheers
Up to any modder if they want to share or not. You can stand outside the field and yell all you want about how you think the modders should all share their work. But more than yelling it won't be. You have made the suggestion. You're done. Still any modder has his/her own mind to make up. And "you finding a mod you MUST play" but cant because of a modder not willing to share. Tough luck. No need to write 6 novels on that suggestion just to get your hands on it.
Sooooooo, thanks for the suggestion! Nothing is gonna change one bit, trust me. And thats a good thing imo.
Cheers
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Alpha_Gamer
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You must be joking......
Crater Creator
Community Moderator
Well... no, he clearly isn't. Whether Subquake should or shouldn't share something isn't for me to decide. But as a moderator, I do find everything Subquake has done to be in keeping with the modding policy, and I don't find his communication style "hostile and aggressive."
I've watched this thread closely and kept it open, because I think other modders' perspectives on modding policy is valuable. But whether anyone should give permission to use their work elsewhere is outside the scope of this discussion. You all wouldn't like it if your own mod threads got sidetracked by such things.
The OP has taken down the link to their mod and the video showing it, and Subquake says the issue is resolved to an extent. So I don't see anything left to discuss at this point, but I'll leave the thread open in case there's new information.
LuckyStar
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So is this guy getting a perm ban from the forums or what?
If this is the second time, I seriously doubt he's unaware.
Seems like he's got a habit of stealing assets.
Why allow this to continue?
You're going to let the whole modding community get ticked off to protect a guy who's got a history of plagiarism?
I'm just asking a question here?
If this is the second time, I seriously doubt he's unaware.
Seems like he's got a habit of stealing assets.
Why allow this to continue?
You're going to let the whole modding community get ticked off to protect a guy who's got a history of plagiarism?
I'm just asking a question here?
Kubikus
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I find it absolutely acceptable if people don't want to share their work with others. It's their right.
I am, however, also interested in their reasons, so my arguing and discussing is not focused on changing their mind, but more on trying to understand them (but of course I don't mind when minds are changed for the better). So when I hear their arguments, I question them, because I want to dig deeper.
Sure. But one who shares one's work can still grow one's own mod oneself.
The point, overall, is, that one who shares one's work is not ever loosing anything at all. All one can is win. Win new mods, new ideas, new perspectives on one's own work. And that makes it quite plausible to share one's work.
Sure. I know that I can't force anybody to share their work. I wouldn't even want to.
Not that I mind, but you're only reiterating what I already said.
Neither am I "yelling", nor am I merely voicing my opinion. I am arguing. Reasoning. A not unusual practise. And what that changes, you don't know. Arguments often don't make an instantly visible difference, because people are stubborn. But see, while I make arguments and give reasons why mods should be freely shared, those who don't like it - have no arguments. So when people see good arguments for sharing and see no arguments against it, they can't help but think there are only reasons for sharing. And none against it. That might, subtly, shape their opinion on the subject matter. And why would it not. When I hear a good reason for and no reason against something, why not have that shape my opinion? Would you know why?
Speaking of you. You have no arguments. You just attack me for my - perfectly valid - opinion. Subquake tried to argue, but he ended up merely expressing that he does not feel like sharing his work - Alphado-Jaki argued in the same spirit. Well, I guess we should accept that as an "argument" as well, but it really isn't solid. It seems more like a character trait. "It doesn't feel good to share my work." But when we talked about his feelings, he quickly reached a point where he did not want to discuss it any further. Here it was:
So modders, who don't like to share, feel like they would loose something. Right? They feel like they work is "stolen" from them. That's as far as the reasoning goes, to my knowledge.
Here is another aspect, that is actually kinda funny: I say "modders, who don't like to share". That's actually not the full truth. Because all modders do like to share their work for free. With the players. So those who get so upset and angry even over just a perfectly valid opinion are fine with giving away their stuff for free to literally anybody. They just don't like it when their creative work becomes part of another creative work.
Is that not quite weird? Again, however, of course you're free not to think about it too much. Call it philosophical balderdash. And whatnot. Self awareness is not everybody's cup of tea, right?
Check out the dictionary:
Here is another example for someone being hostile and aggressive:
I'm just making an objective observation here? It is, to have it said, also legal and everybody's personal right to be hostile and aggressive. I wouldn't suggest to anyhow penalize someone who is, within the rules, hostile and aggressive.
But I suggest not to be. And the information I have is that hua wanted to share a mod he thinks is interesting, fun to play, unusual, and that he believes that the mod is legal in China. And I can believe that, because it seems that copyright law is different in China in general.
So when you believe what you're doing is legal, and you do what you are doing to do others a favor, and then you are met with aggressive hostility... You get sad and/or angry, because you feel like you're being treated unfairly.
