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White River - Tools of Citizenship Quests 1.2 & Multiple Languages
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mr.devolver
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I disagree on this one. The quest doesn't specify who the doctor is. Jen in a trader and presumably also a doctor, but you may not even know about her existence if you are a new player and you're doing this quest at different settlement where Jen isn't even a trader, so the doctor in this case may be whoever your imagination can push into your mind. It's just a filler, imaginary person to help you roleplay, not an actual NPC known in the game.
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The first sentence can be 'he' for sure as it can specifically be a male doctor and an imaginary person as per the creator's intent.
The second sentence 'He is willing to....for your assistance gathering supplies for the doctor.' He in this context is the Trader, and if that Trader on that occasion is Jen, then maybe it shouldn't specifically mention gender.
mr.devolver
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There is only one female trader and the rest are males, so it wouldn't be so surprising that the trader this quest is all about is indeed a male. Furthermore the trader in the context of the quest is also imaginary. For all we know, the trader could be a trader from an allied, but different settlement than the one you're dealing with, that's also not known from the context. Keep in mind that these quests are not really tied to any specific trader, you can turn the items in to pretty much anyone the game considers a trader, so who the trader really is, is up to your imagination and the narrative of the quest has only roleplaying value, much less informative value in relation to actual game events (which as we know are pretty much non-existent at the moment).
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Correct, there is an 80% chance the trader will be male. As far as I experienced, the Trader is a tangible known entity (typically the nearest) that we collect the Quest Reward from. I'm not sure what is imaginary about that. The value of that 20% variable is subjective and perhaps I just put a little more emphasis on it than others which means there can be no overall consensus and it'll be left to ShoudenKalferas to decide.
mr.devolver
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Correct, the trader to which you turn the items to is known, but the problem is that it is only known to you and you only. The game doesn't really make difference between the traders you're dealing with, and so it's only up to your imagination who the trader actually is and here we are coming back to my original point. The trader is imaginary, because from the context of the quest narrative, it is not known whether it is the actual trader you're currently dealing with or a trader from another allied settlement. The game does not care about your personal roleplaying value, so you have to use your imagination to make it what you want it to be. I can and always will agree that ShoudenKalferas is the one who writes these quests, so he's the one to decide what the quest is all about, but he can only do so much. The game doesn't really allow him to go much deeper into questing and stories, so that's why I'm putting that emphasis on the roleplaying value and imagination. While he can write some base narrative for us, it's only up to our imagination how to interpret it, but the quest is written as is and we have to respect that...
ShoudenKalferas
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Yikes. Will have a look at this tonight. I had a similar issue with the custom motorcycle. I ended up having to copy the code out of Snufkin's newest quest for A20 to get it working again and never truly got to the bottom of why it didn't work. But I'll get to the bottom of this and get it working. I also caught some warnings in the logs after I published this release related to the Veteran x 4 --> Random Elite quest code not working in the combined quest modlet, due to some out-of-order code. I've got that fixed and will work to publish a bugfix release tonight.
As far as localization text goes, I wrote some really indepth scripts that convert English text to all the languages using IBM Watson and it's super easy for me to do the language conversion. But admittedly, my eyes gloss over when looking at these localization.txt files. They can be a real bear to read through. I generally do try to use non-gender specific words such as "Them" and "They" when referring to the trader, due to Jen being female and not knowing which Trader the player accepted the quest from. But I also agree that its okay for the Gupta's quest to mention a male Doctor as the intention is for the doctor to be an imaginary individual that is part of the White River community and not specifically a trader. When I do the localization updates I'll adjust this Gupta's quest according to this standard and definitely appreciate the pointing out of this detail and discussion around the roleplaying element. Very very glad to read this as this is definitely what I had in mind and how I play through it myself. I don't specifically call out that element of the quest pack anywhere, so it's really great to see others approach it the same way.
For existing save, you should see it show up as a Trader T1 quest called "Put 10 fallen citizens to rest".
Not seeing the item show up in CM leads me to believe the quest pack may not even be loading for you. Please double check F1 console to make sure the quest(s) are loading without error.
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@egik152
Hi chikuwa.
If you make 2 small changes, Amelia's vehicle will be fine. It shares similar properties to the Die Hard Chopper for your server.
Go to WhiteRiverToC_Amelias_Gyrocopter
1.
entityclasses.xml and change 1 thing for vehicleAmeliaGyrocopter:
<property name="LootListAlive" value="80"/>
to
<property name="LootListAlive" value="vehicleGyrocopter"/>
It is because containers are being given names instead/as well as numbers to help with mod compatability.
2.
items.xml and add 1 thing for vehicleAmeliaGyrocopterPlaceable:
<property name="Tags" value="vehicle,vengine,vfuel,canHaveCosmetic"/>
This is because we have the new vehicle mods and this is the default for this vehicle class. Add it above CustomIcon so it is similar to default vehicles.
I can see your server is always 20/20 these days and it is very hard to join. Players will love this mod as much as we all do if you haven't used it before.
raymondbarberjr
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I was testing this mod for our upcoming server launch because we loved it back in A19. The problem is, the moment I loaded in I got errors pertaining to the loot.xml file in the mod. The exact errors were:
WRN XML patch for "loot.xml" from mod "White River - Tools of Citizenship" did not apply: <append xpath="/lootcontainers/lootgroup[@name='randomEliteQuests']" (line 22 at pos 3)
There were also
'ToCBooks' line 96 at pos 4
'randomEliteQuests' line 106 at pos 3
'ToCBooks' line 162 at pos 3
'randomEliteQuests' line 280 at pos 3
'randomEliteQuests' line 316 at pos 3
'randomEliteQuests' line 334 at pos 3
Again, our server LOVED these quests in A19 and hope that this is an easy fix for A20.
On a side note, if it helps, I used the all in one file instead of the one with individual quest files. If you would recommend the other, please let me know. Thanks.
WRN XML patch for "loot.xml" from mod "White River - Tools of Citizenship" did not apply: <append xpath="/lootcontainers/lootgroup[@name='randomEliteQuests']" (line 22 at pos 3)
There were also
'ToCBooks' line 96 at pos 4
'randomEliteQuests' line 106 at pos 3
'ToCBooks' line 162 at pos 3
'randomEliteQuests' line 280 at pos 3
'randomEliteQuests' line 316 at pos 3
'randomEliteQuests' line 334 at pos 3
Again, our server LOVED these quests in A19 and hope that this is an easy fix for A20.
On a side note, if it helps, I used the all in one file instead of the one with individual quest files. If you would recommend the other, please let me know. Thanks.
ShoudenKalferas
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BUGFIX release candidate 1 has been published. In this bugfix release, contains the following:
- Fixed issue with out-of-order randomEliteQuests/ToCBooks in the combined modlet, preventing the 4 x Veteran -> Random Elite Quest from working
- Fixed wording/localization issue on the Gupta's quest
- Fixed Amelia's Gyrocopter so it is place-able on the ground (Thanks arramus, for saving me the troubleshooting the bugfix on this!)
- Fixed Remington's Steel Ammo quest and added it back to the main quest pack
- Ensure balancing of Remington's quest and rewards so it is in line with the rest of the pack
mr.devolver
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Lol, this is both funny and sad, sorry to hear that. It feels like the game is kinda trolling you, doesn't it?
ShoudenKalferas
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Not sure on this one. Looks like a problem with the MiniQuestBulletinBoard.. I'm happy to check out compatibility with it if you could link me to where you downloaded it.
I've got bugfix put in for Amelia's map reward offering (was simple fix). Found bug with Deschain's quest too where the player *sometimes* would not receive the actual gun.. which is a real bummer after spending the time to collect all the books.
Only time player progress gets reset is if there is a change to progression.xml, which I don't *believe* there is between last bugfixes.. but as stated on the first page, I would always strongly suggest that you take backup of your savegame data... just in case!
Aeyvi and I have been hard at work writing up quest text and designing the Dwarven Forge quest, which is going to be the most epic quest in the pack. Lots and lots of goodies are being packed into this one. I just know ya'll are going to love this one! Side-effect is its probably going to take some time to get this one fully written and tested.
Will look at publishing another bugfix release soon.
lordconnir
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Tier 5 : Kill 1000 Zombies. This is the Elite level of citizenship. This is started as a Tier 5 Trader quest. Reward: +White River Elite Citizenship Card-
this quest is not showing up at all on any of the traders
this quest is not showing up at all on any of the traders
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