PC What do you want the Bandits to be like?

geengaween

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I'd like them to be insane savages who scream abuse at you before they attack. Give us a justification for shooting them on sight, make them scream that they're going to cut off our @%$#ing head, mount us on a spike, and similar threats. The writing of Trader Rekt already shows that TFP like to insult the player. More of that would be great as it fits the world. There should be no moral ambiguity about shooting bandits. It's them or us.

 
honestly if they take my stuff and there is no option to stop that i will cease playing this game. there are enough a s s h o l e s irl taking my stuff that it does not appeal as a game play mechanic 

 
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NukemDed said:
honestly if they take my stuff and there is no option to stop that i will cease playing this game. there are enough a s s h o l e s irl taking my stuff that it does not appeal as a game play mechanic 
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They'll probably shoot us on sight and send a guy to spawn camp our bedroll, loot our stuff, and then destroy our base with dynamite and rocket launcher ammo. ;)  Nothing to worry about!

In all serious though my two biggest fears are that they become so prevalent in the game that the zombies themselves become an afterthought, or we just get a bunch of bandits running in perfect rows with running gates as stiff as planks yelling "mother#@$%#@" over and over again. *Shrug*

 
The interesting question will be if their AI will be good enough to launch attacks at your horde base. In that case they would have the advantage of being able to open doors and climb ladders like the player so they would be able to enter a base that can't be easily entered by zombies. Plus better sniping than the cop. If that works, they might even be added to late-game horde nights or only act as a late-game wandering horde

At the moment independent NPC movement in the game is not recorded at all. So wandering bandits or a wandering friendly NPC will probably be simulated through spawning exactly like zombies. This will always be possible but they might confine that to snipers, i.e. bandits that don't move, just to make it easier for the KI

Since stationary gun man is the easiest and least error prone task I assume their main use would be as guards in bandit camps with the camps being target of high-level quests or the main story in Navezgane.

The only problem with that assumption is that a guard usually should be behind a cover. And if that guard doesn't move into a new cover when you go behind its back it would look silly. So TFP may be forced to give them movement AI even if it only is used to jump from cover to cover. Designating static "cover areas" would be possible but in a fully destructive world that can get silly when they try to duck behind a cover that doesn't exist anymore. In that case the bandit AI probably needs a sizable upgrade to the current zombie AI.  A simpler solution would be bandits never going into cover, but I think TFP wants something better than the NPCs they had inactive in the game in A15.

 
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NukemDed said:
honestly if they take my stuff and there is no option to stop that i will cease playing this game. there are enough a s s h o l e s irl taking my stuff that it does not appeal as a game play mechanic 
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Am I one of them for clarification? Why won`t we openly name everyone at least by the forum nickname 😦 involved. You should speak with someone who`s in charge here directly then if You haven`t attempted already. I`m not for everything what`s being done/implemented in the game. Could You name the stuff and mechanics that is being taken/neglected so far? But I don`t see the reason to bite the hand that provides at some point.

My top 10 concerns.

I would like the bandits to have a variety of inclusions so nobody is left behind, unmentioned, starting from RGB...T... The range might be from typical savages similar to Mad Max movies and we might end up with private proxy-war militia like banditos. No bloody idea... If I ever see a pink outfit for bandits I uninstall the game or mod it.

My only concern with the bandits is their potential 10 000 HP bar. Pre-snapping, aimbotting before even leaning out of cover. Headshotting me across the map just right after I spawn near the bedroll. Having visible signs of dementia, or 5G navigation, charging with fists after me at my position exactly where I was good 10 minutes. The rest with bandits I may survive.

Have a wonderfully productive day.

 
Guys, guys, guys.

Calm down and get reasonable expectations to avoid disappointment.

Bandits will likely be another horde mechanic. They will likely act similar to zombies maybe a little smarter. They likely will be able to shoot at you. I imagine random bandit hordes attacking your base or maybe attack you while out exploring.

I highly doubt they will be breaking into places and stealing stuff.

I highly doubt they will track you overland great distances

I highly doubt they will be yelling at you with tons of words or sensible diction

they won’t be building stuff or their own bases

There won’t be sniper bandits shooting you from 3000 blocks away

Game and Unity just don’t seem up to those tasks. Keep in mind zombie variety had to be minimized just so they have space for the bandits.

Stop making up fantasy scenarios on how awesome the bandits will be then complain to the end of time when they don’t live up to your expectations.

 
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Hopefully they will provide a challenge for me in SP.

And for MP i really hope that we have the option to turn them off seperatly so we can play with zombies but no bandits. It would suck to need a mod to remove them while keeping the zombies.

Unless they are dumb af and have the shooting skills of storm troopers. Then our builders propably don´t care if we have them in our MP or not.

 @TWORDY I guess he is talking about people on PvP servers raiding his base and not about TFP taking away mechanics.

 
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Fanatical_Meat said:
Guys, guys, guys.

Calm down and get reasonable expectations to avoid disappointment.

Bandits will likely be another horde mechanic. They will likely act similar to zombies maybe a little smarter. They likely will be able to shoot at you. I imagine random bandit hordes attacking your base or maybe attack you while out exploring.

I highly doubt they will be breaking into places and stealing stuff.

I highly doubt they will track you overland great distances

I highly doubt they will be yelling at you with tons of words or sensible diction

they won’t be building stuff or their own bases

There won’t be sniper bandits shooting you from 3000 blocks away

Game and Unity just don’t seem up to those tasks. Keep in mind zombie variety had to be minimized just so they have space for the bandits.

Stop making up fantasy scenarios on how awesome the bandits will be then complain to the end of time when they don’t live up to your expectations.
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Hey, come on, let us have our fun. 😜

 
At least we may fantasize a bit. If some bandits might have the same features as a zombie stripper... then I`m all in. Only women as a bandit faction.

Ahh shait yeah, Nukem talks about bandits... f&@k sake my bad...

 
Fanatical_Meat said:
Bandits will likely be another horde mechanic.
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I hope it goes something like this:

- bandit = smarter AI, with capacity to shoot you

-zed = current AI, and some can shoot goo

- animal= attack or run away AI, like today. Vultures can spit goo.

which hopefully gives us all

of these mechanics, but we can swap out the skins! Like today, except the bandit AI could be “used” for animals, or zeds too!  Basically you could “reskin” the bandits for zeds or animals, which might be nice for “AI variety”…a zed could act like a bandit, or a bandit an animal (shoot him and he just runs away)

and since I’m being reasonable and not attempting to dream: we need bandits to drive up and get out of cars/bikes and attack. Not only super cool and they could “chase” you with the vehicle while you were foot or on your vehicle (obviously) but ….because you can reskin them with mods… as we can today…. [an example)
] you’re being chased by bears driving bicycles. Who don’t just “clumsily hop off while clipping graphics” but who stop, put the kickstand down, and get off the bike like a civilized bear but with a grudge. Or a walking bobcat with an eyepatch, armor, And a shotgun. So , as everyone can see all really all we need is the extended AI support, and the bandit skins can be for a21 or later. I really want the bandits, but I feel the bandit AI is more important to release over trying to get bandit graphics finished. 

oh: and if driving cars/bikes is bad because it leaves cars and bikes around for players to take, the obvious solution is for the bandit AI to be able to parachute in from the sky and home in on you, so the bears/zeds/vultures/chickens/etc will be invading like that too, should this be allowed ;)

TFP please do this. You’re our only hope. 

 
I want them to always drop the weapon and ammo type that they are shooting at us with.

And when they can drive vehicles we should be able to find and use them.

 
Fanatical_Meat said:
they won’t be building stuff or their own bases

There won’t be sniper bandits shooting you from 3000 blocks away
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Have you ever played Subsistence?

The enemy AI in that game is pretty aggressive and build bases. Granted they are aim bots, but I think have been toned down a bit. Subsistence is also a 1 man show and TFP have quite a few brains in the pot. I am sure they can figure that bit out. Easiest way to me would be giving bandits prefab bases POI based on game stage that can spawn a given distance away from you out of site. That would be the simple way to do in my opinion. They could code them creating them piece by piece like subsistence does. Either way. It's not a stretch by any means.

 
Well I'm back with some negativity:

If bandits don't have at least SOME amount of base usage and daily routine, I will just flip the sh*t again at TFPs.

Bandits were first teased in A12 I think?
Since then, modders have integrated them weeks after the models have been released.
I haven't played those mods... but if we have to wait like 5-6 years for a feature that is taking modders weeks... it better be worth it.

I am not hating (yet) I get that official integration is harder than just modding...
BUT if they are just zombies with guns, aimlessly wandering around the place with no ryhme or reason... OHHHH you better not integrate them at all!
If that is the best you can do, do the behemoth ziplines and scratch it!

I am still waiting for the "RPG" features that were teased 3-6 alphas ago (honestly, the alphas just blend into oneanother for me)... but to this day it still is not... not even hinted at.
And no, just because you can act like you are a cowboy does not make it an rpg.
I can act like I'm pyro from TF2 in TF2, but it is still just a shooter.

This game is a survival shooter.
RPG elements are interactions with the world. NPCs, story, narrative.

So yeah... if bandits actually give a story, I will be all for them.
If they are just moving loops with guns... or are just at a single premade poi that respawns them like they were zombies...
if they can not interact with the world (repairing stuff, maybe even building stuff), honestly... just scrap them and work on passive npcs.

 
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