PC What are you LEAST looking forward to.
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Kam R.
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I was thinking... wouldn't it be best and make most sense, if all container blocks could dynamically change their appearance instead? So emptied out containers appear as the "open, ransacked" version while those with something spawned or left in appear as the normal closed version? Or is that just not possible technically?
The current static solution seems so unecessary..
Oh and to stay on topic: Can't really think of a thing i'm least looking forward to. I would have said "The prospect of not being able to run the game anymore, as it will get too demanding for my potato", but I managed to acquire some of the needed hardware upgrades today and will build them in next week so I'm covered on that end :]
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A Nice Cup of Tea
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Yeah, these pretty much sum up what I'm least looking forward to. It's hard to decide the one thing I'm least looking forward to, since there's a list, so I'll just give the list.
- I don't like the basic premise that there are factions of other people you are expected to do "quests" for despite your not being part of any of those factions. It turns you from being "stranded on my own, surviving by my wits" to being "too antisocial to be part of any of the communities, yet still relying on them".
- I don't like the addition of linear "dungeon" POIs, and definitely don't like the idea of "bosses" in any way, shape, or form.
- I don't like the fact that there have been extensive changes to the zombie AI specifically to prevent the playstyle I favour (that of exploring during the day and having a safe base to retreat to at night).
- I don't like the fact that people are emphasising having to fight zombies in melee every horde night. Fighting zombies in melee should be something you do reluctantly, when all else has failed and you are unable to flee or hide; not something you actively want to do for experience or loot.
- I don't like the way there's now so much emphasis on ablative defences that will need constant rebuilding with every passing horde. Time spent tediously rebuilding defences is time not spent having fun exploring, scavenging, and looting.
Generally, I'm not looking forward to A17 at all - I'm trying to remain positive, but I have the distinct feeling that I'll enjoy it a lot less than A16.
pApA^LeGBa
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Bosses, Factions and static objects.
These are things that make the game going from it´s something special to it´s something generic.
Put those things in the Story mode and let us have a survival mode without them.
These are things that make the game going from it´s something special to it´s something generic.
Put those things in the Story mode and let us have a survival mode without them.
A Nice Cup of Tea
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I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels this way.
Scyris
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I think the loot helper containers is just to save the player time myself, Insted of having to check everything you can open, you now know for the most part which things have something and which doesn't. It'll also give the illusion that there is other people around. Would be nice if there was multiple of these models though, as not everyone is going to leave the place wide open.
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I would like to say say maybe it'll be smart enough to check for player placed stations like a forge etc, and if it finds one, it'll locate another POI to use instead, but, this is quests 1.0, so I get the feeling this may just happen. If it does, at least you know you can avoid it if you so choose as the quests are optional, they are just something to do, other than the main tutorial one anyway... Well you could skip that one too but why lose out on some skill points in 16.4 heh.
JCrook1028
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I'm hoping the world isn't suddenly filled with mazes left by every single homeowner on the block leading to Bosses in every single POI. Those are (like the high rises) fun exactly once then they're just tedious. Swiss cheese landscape comes in a high 2nd on my lists of dreads. We'll see but I fear all the above are going to be facts of life.
Scyris
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Thats why I feel the dungeon poi's aren't going to be that big of a hit, after you go thru it once, your just going to bash thru the walls insted of deal with the annoyances. Now if they were insted made to be a rare poi with good loot, that'd probally be better. From what I gather though the dungeon style poi's will be fairly common. When I explore a town in a16.4, I skip alot of the poi's I mean when you have 5 of the exact same poi's on one street and you know it has nothing good, why waste your time?
Not to mention like the current zombies, it gets boring fast in A16.4 when every town is pretty much the same poi's.
Can't really pass any real judgement on them until we can actually play A17.
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Roland
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Right now none of the quests are in the least bit required so you can play a whole game and never get the feeling that there are factions. Of course, that could also be due to the fact that factions haven't really been developed into the game yet. Hopefully, it will be something you can ignore.
So far I like it the way it is implemented. the houses feel just more cluttered and more to them rather than linear at least to me. I mean you can follow the "light trail" which is really a dumb thing in my opinion but I have explored a few houses and never felt any of them were linear. I certainly didn't explore them in a linear gauntlet manner. Boss zombies do make exploration dicey as they can be present on Day 1 so you don't want to necessarily explore to the last room so to speak when you are still wearing grass clothes and using a wooden club. Yesterday I ran into an irradiated cop in the attic of a house on Day 1. Snuck away very quietly.
That play style is still very much in the game. The only night you aren't safe is horde night and only if you aren't actively fighting to defend your safety. 6 other nights you can hide in your home and if the zombies don't detect you they just run past your base none the wiser. You can still go outside and sneak around and be pretty safe and throwing rocks to distract zombies away from your path works like a charm and is quite fun. If you were to implement a mod that makes horde night happen only once a month then your play style would be golden.
Who is emphasizing melee on horde night? I haven't read anyone from TFP who emphasizes that as being something they are pushing. Closest I've read is just Gazz sharing that his favorite base is an open meadow and he stays outside fighting hand to hand on horde nights. But that was just his own style.
Actually every passing horde does less damage in A17 than in previous builds because their pathing is so much better. They won't get stuck on your wall and then just start beating on it because they are stuck and can't move forward. The pathing will have them move around it and zombies only attack blocks now when they have sensed a player and have switched to aggressive mode. So if you are hidden in your base and they don't detect you they will path around it and destroy zero blocks. (Provided everything works as intended)
I think it is pretty much Horde Night that is the fly in your ointment Cup. Mod out horde night and you'll have the game you want even with A17.
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A Nice Cup of Tea
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I'm hoping they'll be largely limited to Navezgane (I exclusively play RWG). I'm also hoping that as the game is re-balanced around the new mechanics doing quests for traders doesn't become the expected norm as the way to gain experience, and that playing the game without ever having to visit one remains viable (it's already annoying that some items can only be got from traders).
I'd rather not have them at all - they're too "videogamey". I don't mind having the occasional harder zombie that you need to avoid, but they should be randomly wandering around like the others rather than always lurking at the "end" or "top" of a building just waiting patiently for the PC to come and find them.
It's not the horde night that's the problem. I spend horde nights away from my base on a specially constructed platform (although from what's been said my traditional "platform made of trussing blocks held up by concrete pillars above a sea of spikes" set-up will need replacing with something more sophisticated).
The problem is the normal random hordes that come by at night. In A16 I build bases designed for them to not detect me and just run past. These are either underground so they run over the top, or on stilts so they run underneath.
But from the sounds of the AI discussion, this won't be enough any more. They'll be able to detect me underground or above them even if they can't see me (apparently the new sensing code isn't blocked by solid blocks) and then either dig down or destroy the stilts. And this is by design in order to stop underground and stilt bases from being viable.
At least in A16 if they sensed me they'd just circle above my head or below my feet until morning when it was safe to come out and fight them. But in A17 they'll trash the base every time they sense me.
It's not anything specific, just a general impression I've got. There's lots of glee at the thought of people's bases being destroyed or broken into, and it seems that unless the zombies are actively reaching the player and having to be fought off then the AI isn't "good enough".
That's the behaviour that I currently rely on - exclusively building underground or stilt bases where they won't get stuck on it and they'll run straight through. But from the AI and perk discussions it seems that hiding is no longer going to be viable until you've "earned" it by being high enough level to buy stealth perks, so relying on not being sensed isn't going to be an option. And unfortunately, the base designs that prevent you being sensed are the ones that are most vulnerable if you do get sensed - thanks to the new AI specifically targeting the features that they use.
Horde night isn't the problem. It's the random wandering hordes that are the problem. They get aimed straight at your base every night and - if you haven't managed to avoid their attention and build a base that they can run through without damaging it - that means lots of time repairing each morning and gathering the resources to repair.
I might be being overly pessimistic, but it's at the stage where I don't actually want to reveal some of the details of how I build bases to hide from the zombies in case someone starts shouting that the zombie-fooling features I rely on are "exploits" and the devs tweak the AI to make them no longer work. Again, it comes down to it feeling like an arms-race not between player and zombie but between player and dev where when a player finds a strategy that works other players will shout and scream until the devs change the code to block it.