PC V3.0 Sandbox Siege Dev Diary

[HammerDano]

Us? You're about the only one I see on here constantly whining about wanting more info. Why don't you apply and go work for them so maybe you can see every minute detail of every single thing, since that's what you seem to want? I guarantee they will never give you enough info to satisfy you, though at this point we both know that isn't possible. They could put out a new roadmap during the stream along with a minute-by-minute breakdown of the history of the acquisition and even what they have been eating for lunch and you'd just shift to something else to complain about. You've proven that a few times already.

oh goody @bdubyah has unblocked me

TFP have been saying for at least 6 months that they would tell us about their plans "in due time"...and during that time they sold the company and told us "we are still in charge of the game...the only thing that will change is the speed/size of the updates. ie more updates...smaller in size.
they've also said that the "plan" would stay the same until 4.0 Bandits...which IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE NEXT UPDATE...not something far off. Behaviour is looking for people good in the "live service" arena...I have to ask: why are YOU not asking for more information? and also, why so hostile bdubs? maybe go back to ignoring me?

 

[Kosmic Kerman]

i am far more curious about when we are going to get briefed about the future plans for the game...what the road map moving forward will look like.
I'd like to know what their vision of 7 dtd as a live service game looks like...and how it changes what has been built.

Where did Behavior or TFP state that 7d2d would be a live service game? Is this supposition on your part or do you have an actual statement from either to support this?

 

[bdubyah]

oh goody @bdubyah has unblocked me

TFP have been saying for at least 6 months that they would tell us about their plans "in due time"...and during that time they sold the company and told us "we are still in charge of the game...the only thing that will change is the speed/size of the updates. ie more updates...smaller in size.
they've also said that the "plan" would stay the same until 4.0 Bandits...which IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE NEXT UPDATE...not something far off. Behaviour is looking for people good in the "live service" arena...I have to ask: why are YOU not asking for more information? and also, why so hostile bdubs? maybe go back to ignoring me?

Never blocked you, just took a break and sat back and watched you make a constant fool of yourself. I'm not asking because at the end of the day I just don't really care. They have my money and I have the game. If they announce tomorrow that all future updates will be sold as DLCs for $50 a pop I will no longer support the game and that would be the end of it. I don't need to be spoon fed information about their business dealings, that changes nothing to me. You act like you are a shareholder or something. You're not. 4.0 will be end of the year at best, so it isn't that close. And even if it were coming next month, who cares? Why do you act like if they don't give you every little detail beforehand it makes any difference? And no hostility, just tired of you thinking anyone other than yourself gives a ■■■■ about the minutia of it all.

 

[HammerDano]

Where did Behavior or TFP state that 7d2d would be a live service game? Is this supposition on your part or do you have an actual statement from either to support this?

if you look at the jobs posted by Behaviour for 7 dtd, in the Senior Community Manager listing they specifically state "in this role you will" : Define and Lead the community strategy for 7 days to die as a live service title.

That's where I got that from.

 

[HammerDano]

Never blocked you, just took a break and sat back and watched you make a constant fool of yourself. I'm not asking because at the end of the day I just don't really care. They have my money and I have the game. If they announce tomorrow that all future updates will be sold as DLCs for $50 a pop I will no longer support the game and that would be the end of it. I don't need to be spoon fed information about their business dealings, that changes nothing to me. You act like you are a shareholder or something. You're not. 4.0 will be end of the year at best, so it isn't that close. And even if it were coming next month, who cares? Why do you act like if they don't give you every little detail beforehand it makes any difference? And no hostility, just tired of you thinking anyone other than yourself gives a ■■■■ about the minutia of it all.

If you really don't care, how do questions about what is happening....trigger you?

 

[Riamus]

Anyone who has watched their dev streams knows not to expect much of any kind of actual Q&A. TFP has shown repeatedly that they aren't able to manage that. They'll try to find a question to answer in a fast scrolling chat and maybe answer one or two before giving up. They haven't learned how to do Q&A when streaming... Either get the questions in advance and ignore them from chat or else get a moderator (or many) who will grab the questions from chat and put them in a shared doc that the devs can go through without looking at chat themselves. But they don't do either, so don't expect any answers they aren't always planning to just tell us.

 

[HammerDano]

Anyone who has watched their dev streams knows not to expect much of any kind of actual Q&A. TFP has shown repeatedly that they aren't able to manage that. They'll try to find a question to answer in a fast scrolling chat and maybe answer one or two before giving up. They haven't learned how to do Q&A when streaming... Either get the questions in advance and ignore them from chat or else get a moderator (or many) who will grab the questions from chat and put them in a shared doc that the devs can go through without looking at chat themselves. But they don't do either, so don't expect any answers they aren't always planning to just tell us.

then...doesn't that just seem like a deliberate strategy?

 

[theFlu]

If you really don't care, how do questions about what is happening....trigger you?

There's a level of enthusiasm that is adorable; like in living vicariously through ours kids and such.
There's a level of enthusiasm that is weird; like vegans, and subculture expressions (goth, punk, etc) in the workplace.
There's a level of enthusiasm that is obsessive; like repeatedly demanding answers to questions, or stalking someone.
There's a level of enthusiasm that is intrusive; like spamming every news thread about "look at me, I still want to know".
There's a level of enthusiasm that is delusional; like making wild claims around imaginary numbers of PvPers and such.

I make no claim of your position on that; but use it to understand that any pet peeve one has, is just complete nonsense to most others. At best fun to watch when someone discovers the taste of mustard, but gets real annoying once they decide to keep painting the house in it.

 

[Jost Amman]

Anyone who has watched their dev streams knows not to expect much of any kind of actual Q&A. TFP has shown repeatedly that they aren't able to manage that. They'll try to find a question to answer in a fast scrolling chat and maybe answer one or two before giving up. They haven't learned how to do Q&A when streaming... Either get the questions in advance and ignore them from chat or else get a moderator (or many) who will grab the questions from chat and put them in a shared doc that the devs can go through without looking at chat themselves. But they don't do either, so don't expect any answers they aren't always planning to just tell us.

If I was "Grandpa AI" and TFP hired me to moderate the stream, I'd use AI to statistically live-pick the most asked questions in the chat...

 

[HammerDano]

There's a level of enthusiasm that is adorable; like in living vicariously through ours kids and such.
There's a level of enthusiasm that is weird; like vegans, and subculture expressions (goth, punk, etc) in the workplace.
There's a level of enthusiasm that is obsessive; like repeatedly demanding answers to questions, or stalking someone.
There's a level of enthusiasm that is intrusive; like spamming every news thread about "look at me, I still want to know".
There's a level of enthusiasm that is delusional; like making wild claims around imaginary numbers of PvPers and such.

I make no claim of your position on that; but use it to understand that any pet peeve one has, is just complete nonsense to most others. At best fun to watch when someone discovers the taste of mustard, but gets real annoying once they decide to keep painting the house in it.

it seems like asking anything approaching accountability REALLY triggers some people on here... instead of dismantling an argument, they make ad hominem attacks. I find that annoying as ■■■■. straw manning is a low life activity imo.

I vastly prefer direct communication. feel free to dm me if you'd like to say something you'd prefer the rest of class doesn't see...that goes for anyone...including Bdubs.

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If I was "Grandpa AI" and TFP hired me to moderate the stream, I'd use AI to statistically live-pick the most asked questions in the chat...

there's some chance a "real" question might get thru using that logic...just saying

 

[beerfly]

TFP have been saying for at least 6 months that they would tell us about their plans "in due time"...and during that time they sold the company and told us "we are still in charge of the game...the only thing that will change is the speed/size of the updates. ie more updates...smaller in size.
they've also said that the "plan" would stay the same until 4.0 Bandits...which IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE NEXT UPDATE...not something far off. Behaviour is looking for people good in the "live service" arena...I have to ask: why are YOU not asking for more information? and also, why so hostile bdubs? maybe go back to ignoring me?

Just curious, do have balls ?

 

[beerfly]

It’s hilarious that you are attempting to smear the very thing that will breathe life into PvP like no other update before it. Many of the “broke settings” are meant to return the game to the days before there were RPG elements and player progression— you know? The golden age of PVP for this game?

That`s the point for him, to bring back the easy way. But for him only and "the millions" probably, anyway.

And I wish him good, I mean it, I remember very well that you and many of us said or repeated, in a very well explained matter that 7 days to die gives us really many ways to play and have fun, with the new update and presets and so on, I hope it pleasures much many people than before.

 

[Dark Sun]

The AI brain worms are strong i guess

I hate those ■■■■ clankers

My main problem isn't even people consulting AI, it's that they take its word as gospel. At that point, it's little more useful than the first result (AI overview aside) of a Google search. A simple person looks up one source, a smart person looks up multiple sources and compares information, and weeds out bad or unreliable intel if it's present.

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I wonder why they abandoned that practice? did people start asking difficult questions "they" did not want to answer?

Who knows? Perhaps only a handful of decent questions were inquired each time (questions they could discuss without the need for an AMA) and most of it was spam or outright toxic feedback?

 

[HammerDano]

My main problem isn't even people consulting AI, it's that they take its word as gospel. At that point, it's little more useful than the first result (AI overview aside) of a Google search. A simple person looks up one source, a smart person looks up multiple sources and compares information, and weeds out bad or unreliable intel if it's present.

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Who knows? Perhaps only a handful of decent questions were inquired each time (questions they could discuss without the need for an AMA) and most of it was spam or outright toxic feedback?

I wonder if those threads are still accessible.

 

[beerfly]

My main problem isn't even people consulting AI, it's that they take its word as gospel. At that point, it's little more useful than the first result (AI overview aside) of a Google search. A simple person looks up one source, a smart person looks up multiple sources and compares information, and weeds out bad or unreliable intel if it's present.

Well said, AI can`t replace education.

Word.

 

[HammerDano]

AI was trained using "our" stolen information. It hallucinates. It lies. You really do have to check it's "work". Data Centers drive up your power rates and use vast amounts of water for cooling. The people building them are lying thru their teeth about all of this...and will never be held accountable. They keep saying that AI will create new jobs...but...they can't name an example of one.

All of that is true...and yet...by 2028 the experts predict that 10-30% of current positions, of all education levels, will be taken by AI.

frustrating isn't it?

I think it is...and yet there are lots of people who just ignore the truth when it is slapping them in the face. I feel like that when I am talking to, or being lectured by, a TFP defender...who choose to ignore, side step or straw man, anything they can't emotionally handle.

 

[Riamus]

My main problem isn't even people consulting AI, it's that they take its word as gospel. At that point, it's little more useful than the first result (AI overview aside) of a Google search. A simple person looks up one source, a smart person looks up multiple sources and compares information, and weeds out bad or unreliable intel if it's present.

Very true. I like AI and I find it extremely useful at times, and fun at other times. But it is definitely not what you want to use as proof of anything without looking up the information yourself. And it isn't how you should write posts for a forum, imo. A lot of people, based on feedback I've seen here, don't appreciate AI "spam" posts. If you're a bad writer and need a bit of help to clean up what you've already written, that's one thing. If you're using AI to do all the writing for you based on a minimal prompt, then that's entirely different. Besides, people continue to prove how bad they are at writing good prompts. And the AI response is only as good as the prompts used (and the available data it has access to, of course). AI also can't tell the difference between people posting on a forum that something is true when it obviously isn't versus official information. If you were to ask AI how many people play this game as PVP and aren't careful with your prompt, it is likely to tell you that millions do because of all the many posts from GM saying so. But that doesn't make it true.

 

[Dark Sun]

Very true. I like AI and I find it extremely useful at times, and fun at other times. But it is definitely not what you want to use as proof of anything without looking up the information yourself. And it isn't how you should write posts for a forum, imo. A lot of people, based on feedback I've seen here, don't appreciate AI "spam" posts. If you're a bad writer and need a bit of help to clean up what you've already written, that's one thing. If you're using AI to do all the writing for you based on a minimal prompt, then that's entirely different. Besides, people continue to prove how bad they are at writing good prompts. And the AI response is only as good as the prompts used (and the available data it has access to, of course). AI also can't tell the difference between people posting on a forum that something is true when it obviously isn't versus official information. If you were to ask AI how many people play this game as PVP and aren't careful with your prompt, it is likely to tell you that millions do because of all the many posts from GM saying so. But that doesn't make it true.

At the end of the day, lazy people have always been with us, and technological evolution will always win out so long as a service or a convenience that would otherwise be unavailable would be promised if the change was mass adopted. For instance, with self check-outs at grocery stores, you don't have to interact with a cashier, and from my experience, it's faster on average (even if it's by seconds) than any employee. Perhaps this is why I seldom see wait lines along self check-outs? For the stores themselves, that's less employees they to pay. The self check-out machine doesn't ask for wages, go on vacations or on maternity leave, gets sick, makes complaints, can engage in bad PR, it doesn't need to eat, drink, sleep, or go home. Rarely one will malfunction and it'll need to be repaired, but that's it.

With Grok and other AI tools, people can "research" or produce information in a fraction of the time it would take them to write it themselves or to do the necessary research. For every 10 people that take a test, 9 would be willing to cheat and get away with it if they could get the results in for little to no effort. I may dislike it, but you can't push the tide back into the ocean.

 

[beerfly]

Use your brains guys, that`s all about, or we are the zombies.

 

[theFlu]

The self check-out machine doesn't ask for wages, go on vacations or on maternity leave, gets sick, makes complaints, can engage in bad PR, it doesn't need to eat, drink, sleep, or go home.

I'm sure skipping "feels no remorse and cannot be stopped" is illegal by now.