PC Unused ammo types

Crater Creator said:
It’s interesting to read the variety of responses. Turrets were the big thing I was forgetting. I like to directly kill as many zombies as I can, in part to get the ‘full credit’ for killing them in terms of experience points. But turrets would be a good supplement and a way to use the ammo I already have... once I get everything powered, which always seems to be one of my last priorities.

In prior alphas, I was content to let my specializations emerge organically. First come across a big farm, and then spend points on Living Off the Land. First start a treasure quest, and then spend points on Treasure Hunter. And first find a relatively good gun, and then spend points on the skill for it. A21 doesn’t seem geared to do that. You need to invest in the skill first, so that your chances of finding parts/crafting magazines for that gun improve. It’s required an adjustment in how I play, away from a survivalist mindset of using what comes my way, and a miserly mindset of hoarding my points, questioning if I really need to spend them.
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I set my shotgun turrets to deal with vultures on horde night, the rest of the time I can deal with everything else no problem.

 
I never have enough stone arrows :).

In my longest playthrough 100 and some odd game days, I struggled to keep enough 7.62 for horde nights.  Is why I switched from 30 min to 60 min days.

 
Really the only ammo that issue used that much is 9mm and 44 but 9mm has much more uses then 44. A suggestion is make a weapon mod simply called 

44 receiver and the 9mm receiver 

The 44 and 9mm receiver can be placed on the Tactical AR, Lever action and SMG

9mm holds more ammo but deals less damage.  Adds 14 rounds for the lever action and 32 to the TAR 

44 deals much more damage but damages the gun more. The lever action holds 12 and the TAR holds 25 rounds.  And 20 for the SMG

It has a piercing abilities 

You may say! But there is no automatic rifle that shoots 44 Adam! You stupid 

My response.  The game is set in the future. Maybe then someone will make ether a SMG or an assault carbine in 44. Plus saves gives more uses for other guns 

 
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Old Crow said:
For my group and I, we typically skip the HiPower/Breaching Slugs. The damage increase just isn't worth it, especially for the materials required. We figure it's better to just make the AP rounds/slugs.

Stone arrows and bolts don't get used for long, fire bolts/arrows NEVER get used (again, kind of worthless), but we'll gladly use iron arrows/bolts as they are found, and will craft and use steel arrows/bolts and exploding arrows/bolts.
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Playing on survivalist/insane (depending wich mod or mods) i very much welcome fire arrows/bolts to soften them up from a distance. Sneak shots aren´t guaranteed to kill on those difficulties even when perked. Fire does some decent damage over time and doesn´t generate as much heat as an explosive arrow and doesn´t wake up the whole room.

Explosive ones are more fun though, especially since we now have body parts flying around.

 
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Adam the Waster said:
You may say! But there is no automatic rifle that shoots 44 Adam! You stupid 

My response.  The game is set in the future. Maybe then someone will make ether a SMG or an assault carbine in 44. Plus saves gives more uses for other guns 
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IRL the closest thing we had to anything that fed .44 magnum was the .44 automag and that didn't go so well because .44 magnum are rimmed cartridges that don't play well with semiauto and automatic feed systems.

The real-world equivalent would be the HK MP5 SMG chambered in 10mm. The ballistics values are similar (.44 magnum is still stronger) but at least that does work even if not too well. But then that would ruin the in-game SMG since it is already 9mm and having two SMGs would be kind of confusing.

There have been both military and civilian enthusiast experiments into outfitting a Desert Eagle (which can be chambered in .44 magnum and .50 AE) as an automatic weapon. The kick alone makes it unsuitable. In-game we can put the full auto trigger mod on the Desert Vulture so if you -really- want an automatic magnum there you go.

As far as assault rifle calibers.... closest thing would be 5.56 NATO (.223 Remington) which would require them putting in a suitable model for the magnum class in as the Tier 3 option; perhaps the Steyr AUG or if we want to stay old school American the classic M16.

The best thing I can think of to incorporate .44 magnum in a rifle-based system for the game though would be something along the lines of the Winchester 1892 Level Action rifle. Since the game has Lever Action already, they could code the .44 magnum variant into the game using the same model.
Or you know... change Lever to .44 and bring back a variant of the Marksman rifle....

 
Old Crow said:
Breaching Slugs. The damage increase just isn't worth it, especially for the materials required. We figure it's better to just make the AP rounds/slugs.
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Slugs are only good in the pipe/double shotgun

Use slugs in to Auto if you want to add to the difficulty by doing approx 40% less dmg

 
I just started playing with A21. I have 1 game with a couple of friends and 2 solo games. 

The game with friends is the first game we all started. We collected all ammo types but only used 7.62 weapons, 9mm weapons and shotguns. We started running low on 7.62 and 9mm so we started scrapping all .44 ammo for brass. We were also dumb and didn't know how to switch ammo types, so we scrapped AP rounds as well.

Now we know better and we also started using Desert Vultures. So we use all ammo types now except for bow ammo, which we scrap for iron.

For my solo games, one is too early to say much about and the other is pretty far along. In my advanced game, I primarily use the Desert Vulture and rely on the Auto Shotty, SMG and M60 for when things get hairy. And I use them in that order. Stage 1 hairiness is for the shotty, Stage 2 for the SMG, and panic mode is for the M60. So I have a lot of 7.62. An ok amount of 9mm and shotgun shells (which I also use for turrets) and a healthy amount of .44 rounds. 

 
Old Crow said:
Can you explain how it's 40% less damage? Is it just because the spread is reduced?
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The rebalance TFP made for A21, regarding the mod slots and damage. The shells have 10 projectiles while slugs are only 1, therefore, shells benefits 10x more dmg with the Pump and Auto shotguns. Pump has +5 dmg bonus so shells get 50 and slugs get 5. Auto has a +10 dmg bonus, so shells get 100 extra base dmg while slugs only get 10.

The Pipe has a -2 dmg debuff, so shells are super weak, losing 20 dmg, while slugs only lose 2 dmg, therefore, slugs absolutely WRECK with a Pipe shotgun when compared to shells.

You can see the results clear as day with a Q6 Pipe/Auto comparison when you look at the stats for each ammo type

EDIT: The slugs are so weak in to Auto, that shells do more dmg to soldiers that have 50% dmg mitigation

 
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This has been brought up in other threads before, but since the attack power bonus of guns has been increased since A21, there is also a problem that there is almost no need to use HP bullets (although unlike slags, they are not weakened)

 
I save all my shotgun shells for horde night. I've never needed to craft them. However I do craft a lot of 9mm and 7.62. Shotgun shells are quite abundant.

 
too much .44 ammo in mid-late game loot , even I'm playing with 10% loot bonus. aren't this caliber supposed to be rare?

 
Izayo said:
too much .44 ammo in mid-late game loot , even I'm playing with 10% loot bonus. aren't this caliber supposed to be rare?
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In A21, there are many storage areas that yield the same amount of items regardless of the difficulty setting.
This includes treasure chests from poi and ammo boxes from infested quests.
Furthermore, the number of bullets increases by 1% for each LS, so no matter how you set the difficulty level, you will always have extra bullets.

 
FranticDan said:
The rebalance TFP made for A21, regarding the mod slots and damage. The shells have 10 projectiles while slugs are only 1, therefore, shells benefits 10x more dmg with the Pump and Auto shotguns. Pump has +5 dmg bonus so shells get 50 and slugs get 5. Auto has a +10 dmg bonus, so shells get 100 extra base dmg while slugs only get 10.

The Pipe has a -2 dmg debuff, so shells are super weak, losing 20 dmg, while slugs only lose 2 dmg, therefore, slugs absolutely WRECK with a Pipe shotgun when compared to shells.

You can see the results clear as day with a Q6 Pipe/Auto comparison when you look at the stats for each ammo type
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*kisses his backup dubby*

 
Perhaps this thread is a little old, but since this is always a requested feature, perhaps somebody is still interested.

I made a mod for recycling ammo for 80% of the original raw resources. It works perfectly fine in 1.0 and later versions of the game, It supports all the vanilla ammunition and explosives, and provides support also for all the ammunition and explosives included in Izayo Weapon pack, District Zero overhaul, and my own weapons mod. It is also compatible with absolutely every other mod and overhaul for 7 days to die except mods that remove the vanilla ammunition from the game. In case someone is interested this is the mod topic in the forum: 




 
I tend to horde all ammo that I don't use - just in case. I keep thinking I can sell it if I wanted, but I never get around to it. I focus on assault rifles/machine guns and shotguns, only making the regular 7.62 and shotgun shells for simplicity. Even if I can't make them, high level guns show up sooner or later and I can use them if I want. I do enjoy drawing a magnum on a zombie, aiming for the head and telling him "YA' BROKE THE LAW!" before blowing his head off.

 
Early game i have/use whatever ammo i find.  I try to keep it to 2 types of ammo at any time, so my inventory doesn't get clogged up early on.

I save everything i get though.  You never know when the game will toss an amazing weapon your way, so it is nice to have plenty of ammo for it.  Although if i am not planning on using bows/crossbows in a play through i scrap all those ammo types.

Late game is very nice to have 9mm and shotgun rounds for the appropriate turret.

 
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