Before zombies could dig I'd go all the way down to the indestructible level, then build a floor on it. I'd carve out rooms in the rock for my work stations, kitchen, storage area, bedroom with a gun safe in it for my preferred weapons. Back then I knew how to turn off the heat map for torches, so it was quite cozy. Don't get me wrong, I'm not playing a zombie game to avoid killing zombies, I just think that if I take the time to prep way down underground I should be unnoticed. Then, once preparations are complete, I'd emerge on my time and start cleaning up the undead. Heat maps shouldn't penetrate the ground so easily. Depth should be cover, even on horde nights, or should at least be an option.
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Jason Tamosiunis
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no a bunch of whiny spoiled babies that are used to getting their way complained about something that didn taffect them one tiny little bit and no i dont wanna hear it from any moderators or TFP that it was for the better all it did was ruin the udnerground all together
JoeDaFrogman
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ummm why don't you just return to an older version. At least for now, you have that option to play on A16 or A15 or whatever version had the mechanics you wanted.
Tmodloader
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Turn off enemies for horde night, you can find it in the settings. It is by far the best workaround.
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Overall I like the improvements in the game since those versions, especially the addition of the vehicles. So far, reducing zombie block damage sounds like the best recommendation. Now that I think about it, if the zombie AI still digs straight down, at least generally, maybe I should just dig down to bedrock under a tall mountain.
For the record, I'm not trying to have a "zero danger" zombie game. Something about underground bunkers has always fascinated me from a young age, and if I lived in an area where the water table wasn't so close to the surface, I'd probably have one in my back yard. I'm jealous of those that can afford to buy decommissioned missile silos.
Sorry if that got a little off topic
theFlu
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Going off of that; you probably Can still build an underground base where the zombies won't dig to. The key is to give them a reasonable route to you, where they can get to you by bashing some defenses. If they can find a path where they don't need to dig, they will favor that pretty heavily, even bashing through concrete blocks.
Now, ladder pathing is wonky atm, and I'm assuming changes are coming - so you'll probably need a "door in mountain wall" type solution as the zombie entrance for a while. Or a staircase, but .. those have always been wonky...
The heat map you'll have to dissipate by some other means, separating your production from your living quarters somehow.
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Roland
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It was for the better.
I just built an underground base in my current game and have had zero problems. The people complaining right now seem to be basing their anger on hypotheticals instead of actual testing.
You’re whining about something that you have no actual experience with— just like babies! And you’re mad and having a hard time coping with the change you didn’t want—just like someone used to always getting their own way and then being denied.
Try it. Nothing is ruined. In fact you should try it soon because I’m tempted to let faatal know that the zombies seem to be ignoring players underground to such a degree that it might be a bug…
I certainly hope you aren't taking my comments as complaining. I'm just commenting on the fact that the last time I dug a deep base, I had to spend a lot of time filling in what the zombies did to the surface when they really shouldn't have known I was there. To perhaps clarify a previous comment I made, I think the heat map thing should be a defined on all 3 axes, so that if I am deep enough, screamers shouldn't show up, for instance. If it is that way now, I apologize, I haven't had time to thoroughly test the current mechanics. I was simply making the point that if I want to take the time to dig deep with tools and skills, when the blood moon ends, I don't want to have to go fix the remarkable damage early game zombies can do with their bare hands. Early game I'd prefer to be able to dig deep, set up shop, first blood moon work to prep myself, and as the zombies get harder I have a well functioning workshop with which to build what I need to build to face them. Like I said, I haven't had time to test the current mechanics, and I'm not trying to "hide" from danger in a game based on danger, but it does seem to be the case that at some point the mechanics were changed to make it so that those of us that want to play the game by digging deep were, for lack of a better word, punished, for doing so. I don't play on servers, I play single player. I love the customization I am allowed, but the fact that digging deep isn't as secure as it once was or, in my humble opinion, as it should be, should be an "advanced option" rather than just strictly imposed if one wants to play current versions of the game.It was for the better.
I just built an underground base in my current game and have had zero problems. The people complaining right now seem to be basing their anger on hypotheticals instead of actual testing.
You’re whining about something that you have no actual experience with— just like babies! And you’re mad and having a hard time coping with the change you didn’t want—just like someone used to always getting their own way and then being denied.
Try it. Nothing is ruined. In fact you should try it soon because I’m tempted to let faatal know that the zombies seem to be ignoring players underground to such a degree that it might be a bug…
I digress
Well, but in oh so many words you exactly want to "hide" from danger at times you want to be able to select (this is not an accusation, just a fact. And I hope you can reach it with some config options and modding). And in my opinion there are ways to reach that goal (even if imperfectly sometimes).
But the DEFAULT game is exactly how the developers want it according to the design principles they set up. One of those design principles is simply the exact opposite of what you want.
And it doesn't matter that the game once did it differently in its Early Access experimental phase. There never was a guarantee that specific details in this game will still exists in vanilla when this game goes gold.
You ask for changing the way screamers work for example. Instead just remove screamers from the game and you get exactly what you want. Yes, you need modding for that, but very simple modding. Any modder can help you with that if you just ask in the relevant places or look for a mod that already does it. If it is only about screamers, consider it done. Test it and if you still have problems, maybe there are some other settings that can help
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RipClaw
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Screamer won't show up when you are on the bedrock. They can't be spawned. I tested it in A20 with a bunch of campfires. All I get in the console is "AIDirector: Scout spawning failed".
Roland
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Not simply as complaining— mostly as feedback based on unsubstantiated fears and speculation rather than feedback based on actual testing and experience which makes it much less compelling.
As a comparison, here as an example of much more compelling feedback since it is based on actual gameplay results.
Jason Tamosiunis
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i have experience with it and have tested it zombies turn the ground into swiss cheese it makes having a work space underground impossible and OP is correct if i have forges and chemstations at bedrock over 40m underground zombies wouldnt know period how about we stick to zombie lore instead of making resident evil style zombies that are super smartIt was for the better.
I just built an underground base in my current game and have had zero problems. The people complaining right now seem to be basing their anger on hypotheticals instead of actual testing.
You’re whining about something that you have no actual experience with— just like babies! And you’re mad and having a hard time coping with the change you didn’t want—just like someone used to always getting their own way and then being denied.
Try it. Nothing is ruined. In fact you should try it soon because I’m tempted to let faatal know that the zombies seem to be ignoring players underground to such a degree that it might be a bug…
Kosmic Kerman
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I'm not sure this is entirely true. It may depend on your base design. In Jonah's stream yesterday (or the day before depending on your time zone), he had a horde base at bedrock and was able to summon multiple screamers by lighting around 14 campfires. The entire point of his base was to have zombies path to him and so that could be the difference. Here's a link: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1246760517?t=03h54m55s
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Kosmic Kerman
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Considering that everyone seems to be generating enormous amounts of heat due to crafting, what are you doing with all those resources? The only time I have ever spawned a screamer in A20 or in later point releases of A19 was when using an auger to mine iron. A forge, cement mixer, and chem station crafting at the same time has yet to spawn a screamer for me. And if you have all of those resources why not build a base for horde night or create a path to your bunker lined with traps? In A20, the turret schematics seem to drop fairly regularly and ammo is plentiful. So you could probably get away with building an entrance at the surface for zombies and placing a turret or two to pick them off.
Roland
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RipClaw
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I tested this again and even activated the Feral Sense. I also dug out a shaft like Jonah did and also put blocks on the walls so the zombies have a way to get to me. Same result.
I then tested with an M60 at different heights at what height I can spawn a screamer.
On the bedrock I am at a height of 3m. The surface is at 44m. Only when I climb up to 10m then I can spawn a screamer. Below that I always get the error message.
Jonah must have been at a height where there were less than 35 blocks between him and the surface.
I have had the same experience. I am currently having my "base" on the roof of a fast food restaurant with 4 forges, 2 chemistry stations, 2 workbenches and 2 cement mixers. Even when I run everything at the same time, I haven't had any screamers yet.
However, when I mine iron or lead, it doesn't take me 2 minutes to get a screamer. Breaking metal blocks generate a lot of heat.
Kosmic Kerman
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This is probably the case. He was standing about 5-6 blocks above bedrock and I don't think where he built the base was particularly deep.
Ladies and gentlemen, I have to get up really early in the morning and don't have much free time when I get home after work. I have other necessities I don't feel the need to explain here. I apologize if there has been a reduction in screamer spawnings since last I was able to build a significant base, but the last time I did I'd walk out to multiple screamers. If all the issues I've raised are no longer an issue then please feel free to disregard this entire post.
Jason Tamosiunis
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i think he is saying it to both of usRLBiscuit said: