I would prefer them to be craftable with the introduction of some craftable only weaponary.
Make the weapons as in guns rare but encourage the player to invest into crafting them by making the parts craftable.
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Make the weapons as in guns rare but encourage the player to invest into crafting them by making the parts craftable.
Still think that a16 loot system was better, quality from 1-600 felt nice and rewarding, u where able to find guns and high grade armor at beginning, but usually they was very low on quality making them less effective then crafted leather armor or other stuff. Or you could scrap that military armor for fiber and use it for repairing or crafting better quality if u had a perks
Many dint like the gun parts, I loved it, yes they took alot of inventory space but other than that it was rly satisfying to assemble my gun, swap parts, combine them to get better ones, repairing lowered durability and u had to combine parts again, or craft new ones and then combine to get 600q, was rly fun and made a lot of sense to me ^^ oh good old times when u wrenced down cars in hope that u will get purple engine for your minibike
Yes looting and skill training still was kind of gated behind your levels, but even in low lvls if u took lucky looter perk it kind of felt bit more rewardind then now ..
Many dint like the gun parts, I loved it, yes they took alot of inventory space but other than that it was rly satisfying to assemble my gun, swap parts, combine them to get better ones, repairing lowered durability and u had to combine parts again, or craft new ones and then combine to get 600q, was rly fun and made a lot of sense to me ^^ oh good old times when u wrenced down cars in hope that u will get purple engine for your minibike
Yes looting and skill training still was kind of gated behind your levels, but even in low lvls if u took lucky looter perk it kind of felt bit more rewardind then now ..
beHypE
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100%. A18 let you find too much loot way too early, but now there's just virtually no surprise. No lucky find that lets you take a shortcut in one area of the game, like a proper vehicle, a proper tool, a proper firearm, etc. Everything follows a linear curve and if I start over there's going to be absolutely no element of surprise from what I'll get in loot.
Regarding the "overlap in efficiency", madmole stated it's a wanted design, so that you have to make choices (use that Q1 iron pick with coffee, -10% stamina drain mod, maxxed out sex rex and be 20% more efficient or... use that Q6 stone axe). I find it terrible, because the stone age is already so stretched out that the ONE thing that would bring back that "woohoo, finally!" moment would be the moment you finally find an iron tool. But it's not, you left stone age and entered the no man's land until you start dropping Q3+.
I think stone age tools should be capped to Q4, and the whole stone age duration shortened by 25%, and the transition would feel A LOT better.
So do I, the new steady & slow progression would feel so much better by finding parts everywhere until you finally find the missing piece, and then upgrading it piece by piece. Instead, there's no gun to be found and all of a sudden, out of a toilet, the breakthrough of power is real.
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As addition things felt bit more real and natural.
Assambleing minibike for example: finding/crafting frame, wheels, seat & handlebars, getting good quality engine, battery, finding a shoping basket for storage, and then assamble part by part each part even had uniqe propertys as reduced fall dmg, steering angle, battery capacity.
Assembly of auger or chainsaw: getting blade, parts, handlebars, engine, swapping them, it all felt rly good ..
Why remove it all?? To make things simpler?? Is all the population of gamers are so lazy or dumbed down (no offense) or smth .. ?? To much pressure on game engine with all the parts?
Dunno but I see it as a nice diversity in the loot table
Hech might as well make all tools like sledge, axes, spears consist from 2 parts like handle and tool head to make it more fun.
Assambleing minibike for example: finding/crafting frame, wheels, seat & handlebars, getting good quality engine, battery, finding a shoping basket for storage, and then assamble part by part
each part even had uniqe propertys as reduced fall dmg, steering angle, battery capacity.Assembly of auger or chainsaw: getting blade, parts, handlebars, engine, swapping them, it all felt rly good ..
Why remove it all?? To make things simpler?? Is all the population of gamers are so lazy or dumbed down (no offense) or smth .. ?? To much pressure on game engine with all the parts?
Dunno but I see it as a nice diversity in the loot table
Hech might as well make all tools like sledge, axes, spears consist from 2 parts like handle and tool head to make it more fun.
That sounds great and interesting, why was it ditched?Many dint like the gun parts, I loved it, yes they took alot of inventory space but other than that it was rly satisfying to assemble my gun, swap parts, combine them to get better ones, repairing lowered durability and u had to combine parts again, or craft new ones and then combine to get 600q, was rly fun and made a lot of sense to me ^^ oh good old times when u wrenced down cars in hope that u will get purple engine for your minibike
Its sounds soo much natural and would fit this need of slow progression, i scavange the military bases for handgun magazines, my brother loots the big factory for the best barrels and when we are done we go home and argue infront of the workbench in where the hell can we find a cursed trigger. So much better than this "endless stone age everywhere" deal.
Just what kind of logic is that?
The stone axe takes less stamina to use and the efficency perks affect it, why would you gimp yourself with a Q1/Q2 iron pick when the stone axe does the same for less and it can be repaired everywhere with a piece of stone unlike the iron pick.
I think a fault of the current loot balance is that in normal gameplay you just find too many weapons in loot boxes.
I would estimate that I will loot about 25 weapons in about 2 days on average before I get a better weapon, because there are lots of loot containers with a chance for a weapon and they often have more than one weapon. Naturally that is much more evident in A19's stone age with a smaller selection of weapons AND without randomness in stone age weapons that at least makes duplicates of higher tiers weapons more interesting.
So I'd say that especially in the stone age much less weaponry should drop in loot boxes. That was already proposed before, I'd just like to bring that idea back in memory. it would be much better if you only find 4 weapons in 2 days but one of that is then already better than your current weapon. Same progression, less frustration.
I would estimate that I will loot about 25 weapons in about 2 days on average before I get a better weapon, because there are lots of loot containers with a chance for a weapon and they often have more than one weapon. Naturally that is much more evident in A19's stone age with a smaller selection of weapons AND without randomness in stone age weapons that at least makes duplicates of higher tiers weapons more interesting.
So I'd say that especially in the stone age much less weaponry should drop in loot boxes. That was already proposed before, I'd just like to bring that idea back in memory. it would be much better if you only find 4 weapons in 2 days but one of that is then already better than your current weapon. Same progression, less frustration.
Ruining your fun is my secret agenda. Which I blurt out now to hide my super-secret real agenda.Don’t ruin me getting all those high quality rocks from scrapping duplicate stone tools...
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DividingByZero
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I feel like it makes more sense... I find a lot more than just stone tools, not sure what you are doing different. They do pop up from time to time, and from a realism stand point it is goofy. i.e. - why would the hardware store have a shipping crate with a stone tool in it
RipClaw
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The stone tools were ordered for an exhibition about cavemen but they where nerver delivered to the museum. Mystery solved
The new lot system is not finished yet. There will be more primitive weapons in A20 and areas with better loot but also higher risk.
cant wait for the better loot areas i hope they make 5/8 of the map so we dont run out of houses to loot after 1 week.The stone tools were ordered for an exhibition about cavemen but they where nerver delivered to the museum. Mystery solved
The new lot system is not finished yet. There will be more primitive weapons in A20 and areas with better loot but also higher risk.
RipClaw
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Let's see if you are still as excited when you try to raid a factory in the first week and you are confronted with feral and radioactive zombies.
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To be honest, it did make more sense that for example, when your mining you get better at mining and leveled up.
Doesn't really make sense when you get XP for mining and then are able to spend points in a category that absolutely doesn't have to do anything with that mining skill.
Like your mining a lot and then suddenly have enough points for a minibike, in another tab that is not even in the same tab as the mining skill one.
This does help a lot when you are playing Solo though.
You mine a bit out here, get a point to spend somewhere else, or the other way around...killing zombies so you can mine better.
So I kinda liked the old ways as well.
Wonder if it is possible to make certain different kind of modes?
Like "Multiplayer" mode, where everybody has to learn the skills like in the old times, so everybody in your friends group could actually take on a certain role.
And then "Solo" Mode, the current stuff we got now.
Both modes to be enabled or disabled for either multiplayer and singleplayer, so you could opt in for the MP mode, where u have to learn for example, mining skill by mining, cooking skill by cooking, etc, or the SP one we got right now.
Btw, I got a 4x4 truck on day 12. In A19. Not many skills needed,didn't spend any skill in that bicycle thing. I just kept doing the traders quests.
Doing the traders quests is like hitting 2 birds with 1 stone.
You get to loot a house which you would be doing anyway to get items you need but you'll earn some extra dukes, an item reward like a stack of molotovs which helps you in future quests or other good items and get some extra XP as well doing it.
Managed to buy 1 4x4 schematic and the other part was for sale for about +/- 12000 coins( did spend 1 or 2 points in bartering and had a cigar) which i earned by then doing those quests and selling the stuff i didn't need.
I recommend doing a lot of quests from day 1 and either build up a small bloodmoon base for day 7 or hide on a roof somewhere, depending on the difficulty played as well.
I must add to this that I have put almost 4500 hours in to this game in total.
I've been playing 7 days to die and each version from it since A8. In my opinion A19 is the best so far.
It's just not what your used to and maybe it will have some time to get grown into, still a lot of room for improvement but yea, in my opinion The Fun Pimps finally are going into the right direction with this game in my opinion.
Doesn't really make sense when you get XP for mining and then are able to spend points in a category that absolutely doesn't have to do anything with that mining skill.
Like your mining a lot and then suddenly have enough points for a minibike, in another tab that is not even in the same tab as the mining skill one.
This does help a lot when you are playing Solo though.
You mine a bit out here, get a point to spend somewhere else, or the other way around...killing zombies so you can mine better.
So I kinda liked the old ways as well.
Wonder if it is possible to make certain different kind of modes?
Like "Multiplayer" mode, where everybody has to learn the skills like in the old times, so everybody in your friends group could actually take on a certain role.
And then "Solo" Mode, the current stuff we got now.
Both modes to be enabled or disabled for either multiplayer and singleplayer, so you could opt in for the MP mode, where u have to learn for example, mining skill by mining, cooking skill by cooking, etc, or the SP one we got right now.
Btw, I got a 4x4 truck on day 12. In A19. Not many skills needed,didn't spend any skill in that bicycle thing. I just kept doing the traders quests.
Doing the traders quests is like hitting 2 birds with 1 stone.
You get to loot a house which you would be doing anyway to get items you need but you'll earn some extra dukes, an item reward like a stack of molotovs which helps you in future quests or other good items and get some extra XP as well doing it.
Managed to buy 1 4x4 schematic and the other part was for sale for about +/- 12000 coins( did spend 1 or 2 points in bartering and had a cigar) which i earned by then doing those quests and selling the stuff i didn't need.
I recommend doing a lot of quests from day 1 and either build up a small bloodmoon base for day 7 or hide on a roof somewhere, depending on the difficulty played as well.
I must add to this that I have put almost 4500 hours in to this game in total.
I've been playing 7 days to die and each version from it since A8. In my opinion A19 is the best so far.
It's just not what your used to and maybe it will have some time to get grown into, still a lot of room for improvement but yea, in my opinion The Fun Pimps finally are going into the right direction with this game in my opinion.