HammerDano
Survivor
yes...it is ironic that asking for communication is regarded as a greater "foul" than acting like a super fan, but, saying you will turn off or mod out all of the new content, that we are waiting for.The irony.
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ilexev
Refugee
Weren't you the one who got banned? Anyway, yes, you're being too demanding. The game isn't finished, and it's worth its price. When it's finished and the price hasn't gone up, you'll be happy! TFP isn't communicating? They're cooking, they have a Discord server, a forum, an X page, and Reddit. They communicate about updates and delays. For now, they can't do anything more! Yes, you're being too demanding, and it's your demands that are absurd. Besides, they only concern the delays. You didn't cry about GTA 6, you didn't cry about Destiny, nobody cried about Anthem, nobody cried about tons of games, but you're making TFP pay an unfair price.
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No empathy, no understanding, no solidarity, none of that, if u know...
HammerDano
Survivor
(getting banned does not make me wrong. but, we cannot speak about that on here...because we are not allowed)
well...the reality is that TFP are getting ratioed on any and all posts. am I making THAT up? showing us a new skin is great...it isn't the communication a lot of people are asking for. I even agree with you...someday, if they get all that content in the game...it will be worth the price. when will that be? that's why people keep responding the way they do. TFP DID NOT need to sell this with "overly optimistic" dates...they just didn't...they would have been better served to just lean into their slow reputation. I personally would not have bought back in knowing that it would be another 3-5 years, possibly more, but, many would...there'd be a lot less room for complaint, because they were warned. All dates subject to change, is just not a fair use, for not changing a godâ â â â thing about how long it takes them to get out an Alpha/Major Update. I don't like being told it is my fault that I an critical of their bs...I didn't force them to miss a single deadline they set. I just expect them to explain themselves.
comparing this, developmentally, to GTA 6 is just wrong. They did not crowd source for funds. People are not playing it, getting used to it, and then having popular mechanics removed for no good reason THEY can discern. it is apples to oranges. The one part I think you can compare is that RockStar appear to be removing/changing content due to public pressure, which has delayed the product...but that's over DEI. (I have no interest in getting into THAT bag of personal politics. Arguments get heated enough without it.)
Also, THEY got well ahead of the problem and told people several months in advance. People are disappointed, but, not enraged, because they communicated and because people have no familiarity with the new game YET.
I don't know about those other games...did they crowd fund? do they keep missing self imposed deadlines? are they considered poor at communication? or does their development resemble GTA's...private?
bdubyah
Hunter
Wait, people think Blood Moons is using the removed clothing that was in 7 Days before the character rework? Really? Wow, people are even dumber than I thought.
ilexev
Refugee
They are all like that, full of nonsens
HammerDano
Survivor
yes sir, some people have that thought. probably because of the outfits for this game that did get monetized as DLC outfits. Might sound crazy to you, but, some people have a low opinion of TFP and a high amount of suspicion. I surmise it is because of promises made promises broken over many years, but, that is just speculation based on observation...not quantifiable data.
I will concede that even with better information some people will still refuse to hear it...how dumb they are? I don't know...if average IQ is still around 95-98 then there is more than enough dumb to go around.
Roland
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Just FYI the highest peak numbers that you can see are concurrent players at one particular moment. If the peak was 30,000 for a day and the minimum 20,000 then that means the game had a constant number of players between 20-30k at every moment during a 24hr period. That represents 100s of thousands of players every day. These are not same exact players filling all these plays.
Rick shared a report from August that showed 19 million+ unique loads of the game. It also showed that 98% of those millions of gamers played the then current stable build. Interestingly, less than .01% of players played Alpha 16 during the same period of time.
Yes, there are a lot of angry posts but it is an illusion that they represent the majority. It makes no logical sense that the game could remain in the top 100 games on Steam year after year if less than 1% of the players had been retained.
Millions of gamers are still playing this game (mostly solo btw) and many of them have been playing for years.
The why of that has just one answer. The game is good and resonates with most players and the complainers who hate the modern changes are few but loud.
HammerDano
Survivor
wow...you used current low ball numbers...I used their peak peak 125 k...I estimated 1,000,000 daily just to be fairer than fair. 1 divided by 20 equals .05%
Rick shared that report where? internally and it's a trust me bro? or somewhere I could see it?
It sounds awesome that it had 19 million unique loads of the game. Without context...there's no way to extrapolate what that actually means. sorry
98% of everyone who bought it checked back in? and then right back out?...sounds like a complete fabrication. Simple math tell me that 20 divided by 19 equals 95%...so nobody repeat played? or is this some kind of over the history of the game thing?
again...if I can't see it...it's a trust me bro...and I don't.
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@Roland where you getting your numbers that millions of people are still playing this version?
imo the reason why people are still hung up on this game is because games that have 1000's of hours of potential are rare.
ilexev
Refugee
But shut up, those figures are internal, they're reliable, why would he lie? But you think you're not one of those hateful and stupid people?
HammerDano
Survivor
vitriol aside, If the figures are internal and we are not going to shown them...? I don't feel bad for saying I'm not going to take it on trust. It wasn't hard to show that with no context that information is meaningless. how many people bought it on console...what are the daily player counts for consoles...those would be good to know. steam provides those for PC...be nice to know the whole story. I'll make it clear that I am not demanding those numbers. Roland should not have quoted a report that none of us have seen. Trust but verify is fine for some...I am more of a verify THEN trust kinda person.
HammerDano
Survivor
Nope...not are we there yet.
Continuously asking for communication about delays. Not details about features...not demands for changes to content...just communication about the delays. I have even encouraged them to only do updates on short term goals that are achievable. because that is where they have the best chance of meeting them. That would be encouraging for everyone.
theFlu
Hunter
Are we there yet?
Kyoji
Survivor
Offering advice and feedback is what developers want. Granted, people shouldn't be disrespectful about the feedback and people can be passionate about their feedback but generally feedback is good so long as it's meaningful and respectful.
I think there are people who vehemently support the game without rhyme or reason (fanboys) and those who consistently have negative things to say (haters). Both are bad. One is an echo chamber and the other causes unnecessary tension and is meant to rile others up. That being said proper feedback is a must for any developer. People who think otherwise do not have any time in development.
ilexev
Refugee
Ur totaly wrong, that's not how this work.
ilexev
Refugee
already the term "fanboy" is sexist, then hater is a minority, generally, but in this game, for this studio, the hater have a mid majority, anyway i wont explain u all, push yourself the correct analysis and for the hater here, no personal attack, ur a typical basic hater of tfp who dont deserve to be here, the politics of this forum is not very logic and pushed to the real treatment logic, free speech but no hate, no hatred.
Constructive critic do not mean free and wicked critic, the fine line, u dont know it, the subtility.
Anyway their not making fan by making mistake but they not making hĂąter too, u become a hĂąter because of urself, ur old son of a mentaly old man
Constructive critic do not mean free and wicked critic, the fine line, u dont know it, the subtility.
Anyway their not making fan by making mistake but they not making hĂąter too, u become a hĂąter because of urself, ur old son of a mentaly old man
Kyoji
Survivor
I can tell already you won't listen to logic and reason.
No personal attack but I'm a hater. OK, got it.
I don't even understand what this means. I think Google translate works better than your English so perhaps try just typing in French. No personal attack of course.
ilexev
Refugee
I already use Google Translate. Do you feel targeted? Why? What logic, what reason, what are these things based on, for you? In my case, it's based on scientific things, but you don't know that in America; you censor science
Logic and reason are subjective if they aren't learned scientifically.
Crater Creator
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This forum is for discussing the game. Itâs not for calling people whiners, cry babies, spoiled children, dumb, or more personal attacks. Itâs not for advancing negative stereotypes about a certain age group or nationality. Itâs not for talking about bans or other moderation actions. Itâs not for telling people to shut up.
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