PC Thoughts on the balancing and changes in b221
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Can you guarantee that only for A17 b221 (where the devs said lots of mods are still missing, so I could have preditcted that as well) ? Or for future builds too? If the latter, wow, really WOW :distrust:
Because you also need 5 points in all crafting perks plus all workstations plus all materials. I would select LL as a scavenger
Did you try normal attack instead of power attack with the tools? They changed it so normal attack is the norm again.
I think this is likely a bug in the changelog. When I actually read that entry I didn't even notice that "reducing ... speed" is negative and assumed it meant that the speed increase goes up to 65% now instead of 50% (?) or whatever else it was before.
Did you check what the ability really does in game?
Noompsie
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I understand why you are angry and disappointed. If you didnt care about the game, you wouldnt be reacting this way.A hater? No, that's not me for sureI would not waste my time here if I would not love this game so much. 2000+ hours playing time and counting.
Having said that, I must say I am a little relieved they have nerfed the zombie kill xp a bit. It was really hard to not level up too quickly and get a horrible 7th day horde.
Intellect reduces crafting speed by up to 65%
https://7daystodie.com/alpha-17-experimental-b221-is-out/
Ghostlight
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I don't think Lucky Looter will make that happen. If it does, then it is actually somewhat worthwhile and I stand corrected.
Interesting. I will check it out myself tonight. Definitely sounds wrong.
Ghostlight
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What skill have you already leveled that this kills? I thought that Intellect was the skill that reduced crafting time. All they have done here is either:
a) Change the amount it reduces it too to 65%
or
b) Fixed the bug wherein if you watched something crafting, you got the reduced crafting time, but the moment you stopped watching it (ie left the Workbench) the time went right back up to full.
Incarnatus
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Ok, I really enjoyed the game in A17 but after B221 all changed.
Power attack is useless now when cutting down trees (And other things), 3 attacks and you're tired and can't run away or continue for at least 2 sec before it regenerates. Using primary attack is faster and stamina will still regenerates while cutting the tree.
I can't have fun fighting hordes of zombies now because at the 3rd hit i'll be tired and instantly killed. Goodbye melee combat and hello ranged combat game only?
Power attack is useless now when cutting down trees (And other things), 3 attacks and you're tired and can't run away or continue for at least 2 sec before it regenerates. Using primary attack is faster and stamina will still regenerates while cutting the tree.
I can't have fun fighting hordes of zombies now because at the 3rd hit i'll be tired and instantly killed. Goodbye melee combat and hello ranged combat game only?
Ghostlight
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Good old TFP. They simply cannot fix anything without also mucking about with something that didn't need fixed, and breaking that other thing in process.
In the previous build, using heavy attack on rocks and trees was only sensible because only the time it took to destroy that rock or tree actually mattered to overall yield (because of the bonus resources on the final swing, and the opportunity cost of physically getting to the next tree/rock asap). This meant that although the actual yield per boulder was higher using light attack, the yield per hour was higher using heavy attack. So in the end heavy attack was the way to go.
It could be that they have fixed/balanced this by increasing the yield per swing and reducing or removing the bonus resource on destruction. This would be a sensible change imo because as it was, light attack was utterly useless in the previous build of A17.
However, if they have not changed this and instead just made heavy attack burn more stamina in all situations to FORCE us to use light attack even when it is the inefficient choice, and without balancing the implication this has on mining (it will even slower than it was, and as we all know, it was already tediously slow) then yeah this change is a huge step backwards.
So now is Miner 69 now a useless skill?
In the previous build, using heavy attack on rocks and trees was only sensible because only the time it took to destroy that rock or tree actually mattered to overall yield (because of the bonus resources on the final swing, and the opportunity cost of physically getting to the next tree/rock asap). This meant that although the actual yield per boulder was higher using light attack, the yield per hour was higher using heavy attack. So in the end heavy attack was the way to go.
It could be that they have fixed/balanced this by increasing the yield per swing and reducing or removing the bonus resource on destruction. This would be a sensible change imo because as it was, light attack was utterly useless in the previous build of A17.
However, if they have not changed this and instead just made heavy attack burn more stamina in all situations to FORCE us to use light attack even when it is the inefficient choice, and without balancing the implication this has on mining (it will even slower than it was, and as we all know, it was already tediously slow) then yeah this change is a huge step backwards.
So now is Miner 69 now a useless skill?
Power attack was nerfed and normal attack improved. So that you would normally use normal attack (as the name implies) for everything (mining and melee) and power attack mostly as a finisher on enemies that were pushed down (you get bonus damage with a power attack then).
If mining and meleeing drains your stamina with the normal attack as fast as the power attack, yes, then we have a problem.
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Roland
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Good old nonadaptive players...
The power attack was always meant as a special move--not as the new standard button press to kill zombies and mine. The fact that there were posts telling people to forget about left clicking and always just right click shows that there was a problem.
The standard left click attack has been improved and the power attack now uses more stamina and also includes a recovery delay before the stamina refills making it something that you want to use as a finishing move and not something to spam during melee combat.
Miner69 has been changed to improve the standard left button hit just as it used to do in A16 (that's what you like right?). That makes it a very useful skill.