PC This is the kind of point of view that makes me go facepalm about some reviewers.

[meganoth]

1) so you would say the browser is half finished?

I never use the browser myself, I play on a private server. But I have seen the protests by users here in the forum and I trust people like pApA^legba to be accurate about the facts. So without having any first hand knowledge I would say the browser needs more work.

2)  Didn't say you did and was speaking to the staff that have a REAL job.

Fair enough.

3) Game didn't need to be redesigned at all. where you drew that conclusion is pretty random.

Let me rephrase my point: I see that TFP observes and acts on user opinion, but they do not follow their suggestions directly. A common outcry with a new features is "This feature is bad. Please remove it again". If TFP hears enough of those opinions they will act and change the feature, but not remove it. Or people give specific ideas what has to be changed to make the feature work. And almost always the change then adopted by TFP is an entirely different one nobody had posted. Now would you say that in such cases TFP did listen to the community or not?

4) Again, very unprofessional. I would never say that about the company I work for. No they weren't like that initially no. greed can change your moral outlook.

Again: I do not work for that company, I don't get a single cent from them. As such I can say very unprofessional things.

Yes, greed can change people. But I would say most people drop their ethics or resolutions only in bad times. And for TFP it seems to have been smooth sailings (expect for that telltale episode). At least there are no signs of any financial troubles, like a rushed release to be done with it. They still have the money to develop 7D2D till the end and start development of two new games. Does that look like financial trouble?

5) its already sold around the world. it was basically minecraft 2.0. MP offered extra cash but came with its own set of intergration problems.

MP? Do you mean MS aka Microsoft? Yes, gamepass inclusion surely is extra cash and so is to be presented to some of the kids that only have played Fortnight till now. But the thing is: The work to include cross-play for epic and MS store has to be done anyway if they want cross-play with the future console version. So they did it now and get the most from that work. Absolutely basic commercial common sense.

Is your point really that TFP should have forfeit gaining a few 100k dollars(?) just so that you don't need to enter the ip address of your server for a few months?

6) Never said they were panicking. Said scrambling. you don't need to be losing your mind while you scrambe to do something. you were just lazy af and did something last minute. that is scrambling.

Ah, ok. I assume the browser is the thing they have scrambled in your mind. And I fully agree, that seems to have been rushed. Though I also seem to remember that there was something about the microsoft deal that forced the timing. Wasn't 7D2D in the initial lineup for gamepass or something similar?  

7) refer to point 6.

I imagine the raw feedback from any person thats real would upset some people. Like if everyone kept thumbs downing you. eventually they would probably remove the thumbs down.

9) The minority shouts the loudest. the rest of us just laugh.

 

[Matt115]

I never use the browser myself, I play on a private server. But I have seen the protests by users here in the forum and I trust people like pApA^legba to be accurate about the facts. So without having any first hand knowledge I would say the browser needs more work.

Fair enough.

Let me rephrase my point: I see that TFP observes and acts on user opinion, but they do not follow their suggestions directly. A common outcry with a new features is "This feature is bad. Please remove it again". If TFP hears enough of those opinions they will act and change the feature, but not remove it. Or people give specific ideas what has to be changed to make the feature work. And almost always the change then adopted by TFP is an entirely different one nobody had posted. Now would you say that in such cases TFP did listen to the community or not?

Again: I do not work for that company, I don't get a single cent from them. As such I can say very unprofessional things.

Yes, greed can change people. But I would say most people drop their ethics or resolutions only in bad times. And for TFP it seems to have been smooth sailings (expect for that telltale episode). At least there are no signs of any financial troubles, like a rushed release to be done with it. They still have the money to develop 7D2D till the end and start development of two new games. Does that look like financial trouble?

MP? Do you mean MS aka Microsoft? Yes, gamepass inclusion surely is extra cash and so is to be presented to some of the kids that only have played Fortnight till now. But the thing is: The work to include cross-play for epic and MS store has to be done anyway if they want cross-play with the future console version. So they did it now and get the most from that work. Absolutely basic commercial common sense.

Is your point really that TFP should have forfeit gaining a few 100k dollars(?) just so that you don't need to enter the ip address of your server for a few months?

Ah, ok. I assume the browser is the thing they have scrambled in your mind. And I fully agree, that seems to have been rushed. Though I also seem to remember that there was something about the microsoft deal that forced the timing. Wasn't 7D2D in the initial lineup for gamepass or something similar?  

Well i agree with you about that. Well TFP can be pretty calm about their finansial situation. About MP - well... honestly i don't care but if i good remember this old topic about MP this problem is solved 

 

[Jost Amman]

3) Game didn't need to be redesigned at all. where you drew that conclusion is pretty random.

Says you.

4) Again, very unprofessional. I would never say that about the company I work for. No they weren't like that initially no. greed can change your moral outlook.

He's not paid by TFP, neither are you, and you sound much more "unprofessional" than him.

6) Never said they were panicking. Said scrambling. you don't need to be losing your mind while you scrambe to do something. you were just lazy af and did something last minute. that is scrambling.

Curious how you completely ignored the first part of his response, so that you could look like you know better.

9) The minority shouts the loudest. the rest of us just laugh.

And here we go... another guy who thinks he's the spokesperson of some HUGE group of people to make his opinion look "grander".

Why doesn't people ever speak for themselves?  :rolleyes2:

 

[SURVIVE]

Says you.

He's not paid by TFP, neither are you, and you sound much more "unprofessional" than him.

Curious how you completely ignored the first part of his response, so that you could look like you know better.

And here we go... another guy who thinks he's the spokesperson of some HUGE group of people to make his opinion look "grander".

Why doesn't people ever speak for themselves?  :rolleyes2:

The fourth defender everyone give him a cookie!

I never use the browser myself, I play on a private server. But I have seen the protests by users here in the forum and I trust people like pApA^legba to be accurate about the facts. So without having any first hand knowledge I would say the browser needs more work.

Fair enough.

Let me rephrase my point: I see that TFP observes and acts on user opinion, but they do not follow their suggestions directly. A common outcry with a new features is "This feature is bad. Please remove it again". If TFP hears enough of those opinions they will act and change the feature, but not remove it. Or people give specific ideas what has to be changed to make the feature work. And almost always the change then adopted by TFP is an entirely different one nobody had posted. Now would you say that in such cases TFP did listen to the community or not?

Again: I do not work for that company, I don't get a single cent from them. As such I can say very unprofessional things.

Yes, greed can change people. But I would say most people drop their ethics or resolutions only in bad times. And for TFP it seems to have been smooth sailings (expect for that telltale episode). At least there are no signs of any financial troubles, like a rushed release to be done with it. They still have the money to develop 7D2D till the end and start development of two new games. Does that look like financial trouble?

MP? Do you mean MS aka Microsoft? Yes, gamepass inclusion surely is extra cash and so is to be presented to some of the kids that only have played Fortnight till now. But the thing is: The work to include cross-play for epic and MS store has to be done anyway if they want cross-play with the future console version. So they did it now and get the most from that work. Absolutely basic commercial common sense.

Is your point really that TFP should have forfeit gaining a few 100k dollars(?) just so that you don't need to enter the ip address of your server for a few months?

Ah, ok. I assume the browser is the thing they have scrambled in your mind. And I fully agree, that seems to have been rushed. Though I also seem to remember that there was something about the microsoft deal that forced the timing. Wasn't 7D2D in the initial lineup for gamepass or something similar?  

K

 

[Roland]

Ha this topic blew up after I said my piece.

It was mostly regarding youcantgetridofme needing vent about the Steam forum.

Roland out of care for your well being I found this for ya since you seem to think I'm restricted to points only.

Summary

a brief statement or account of the main points of something

Example: "a summary of Chapter Three"

Haha...so translation: "I have nothing to refute the specific counterpoints you made so here's some random nonsense" Gotcha. Thanks for conceding the point.

honestly can't listen to you because you remind me if all the "MVP" players on the wow forums in the general section constantly defending the atrocious decisions the company was making.

No, you can't listen to me because I am an actual member of the staff and can bring facts and inside knowledge that destroys the narrative you're trying to spin using speculation and worst case scenario babbling. What you want is to engage with other members of the community who support TFP but who don't have any more facts than you do. That way you can say inane things like "TFP obviously has no roadmap and they are floundering along without any purpose or goal" and that's your opinion and then someone will answer and say "I think you wrong and they are doing a great job steering the ship" and then you call them a fanboi and insult them a bit maybe acting like they are a young child because it is just their opinion vs your opinion and there are no real facts. Since I have facts and am an eye-witness and have actual knowledge of behind the scenes workings, your idle speculations can't stand up to that and your attempt to troll fails. Look at what just happened between us.

1) You speculated that the devs don't play the game any longer and ignore all critical and important fan feedback

2) I shared actual facts that I witnessed that showed your assumptions to be untrue.

3) You responded with a literary lesson that refuted nothing because you knew that you had nothing because you came to the conversation with guesses and I came as an eye-witness

I don't blame you for not wanting to engage with me since your purpose here is to troll and push your doom and gloom narrative. Mouse over my name and press ignore, amigo, if listening to me is too upsetting.

FYI nearly everyone would, following the guidelines, tell them to shove it where the sun dont shine.

Where is nearly everyone? Oh right, they're too afraid to come here and voice their opinion because "they'll get banned". But...wait...they're NEARLY EVERYONE right? If nearly everyone came here and said in various levels of colorful language to tell the devs to shove it where the sun don't shine, how could we few moderators ban nearly everyone? We'd be overwhelmed and the whole culture of these forums would flip and become predominantly antagonistic and derogatory towards the devs instead of respectful and hopeful. If only nearly everyone would just show up. Maybe start a petition to, you know, make nearly everyone aware and coordinate the big day.

In fact I'm pretty sure that's why the guidelines were made, to protect their "Righteous defenders"

That's just something trolls, who want the forums to be predominantly antagonistic, say. You want to be able to spout doom and gloom nonsense about the devs and get 20 likes for your comment and when someone disagrees they get jumped on and told to stop being  "inappropriately familiar" with the devs. You want every other post calling anyone who likes the game a fanboi. Despite the fact that there are plenty of places you can go on the internet where you can get exactly that culture where those who hope the devs succeed are always on the defensive and every worst case scenario that is spewed in a post gets repeated over and over and over and hailed as the obviously correct analysis of what is going on. You hate that this forum exists where members of TFP respond and give actual explanations and shatter the doom and gloom you're trying to propose. Well, the good news is there is plenty of places you can go for that. Here, you can criticize features of the game you don't like all you want but if you insult the members of this forum or the developers you will not be welcome.

You're obviously pushing the limit of what you can get away with and I'll just say that if you have any criticism of the game go ahead and voice that but you need to back away from calling people names. Mega isn't going to be bated by being called a child and I'm not going to be bated by being likened to manic WOW MVP player supporters (whatever that might be...lol). The more you post the more it is evident you have an agenda to try and get a flame war going. If you keep at it I'll ban you myself so you can tell nearly everyone how unfairly you were treated for doing nothing.

 

[Roland]

You misunderstand me.  My apologies as I forgot /sarcasm tag.

He thought you were the first of nearly everyone showing up.

2)  Didn't say you did and was speaking to the staff that have a REAL job.

I'll answer simply by backing up @meganoth. The devs have never billed their Early Access as a way for investors to help steer the ship. They appreciate feedback and bug reports and they use that feedback to make some decisions but they've never asked community permission before adding something or removing something. It is always hilarious to read someone who is shocked that TFP added something that nobody ever asked for. TFP has been in complete control of development and never once tried to dupe anyone into spending their $8 by promising them a seat at the developer's table. Early Access for this game has been an early chance to play the game while it is still being developed to witness the changes that happen and see how the game evolves. Community feedback may cause some balancing changes and may even result in actual additions (or edits) to the game down the line.  They gather that feedack from many sources as well as stuff they can track as players play which gives them the real truth about how nearly everyone is playing.

Feedback isn't going to effect things much these days since the game is almost finished. Now most player dreams for what isn't included in the vanilla experience is going to have to be a mod. Now if your attitude is that you don't want to give feedback if they aren't going to implement what you say and they shouldn't ask for it if they aren't going to bind themselves to do whatever is suggested, then I have to echo the sentiment that your expectations were set way too high about what your early access was going to grant you.

The fourth defender everyone give him a cookie!

Everyone? or nearly everyone? Exactly how many cookies can I expect Jost to receive just as soon as one of these two groups finally arrives?

 

[Maharin]

 

[Melange]

I'll take a baker's dozen please. 12 for me, and could you gift wrap the one with its head in the wrong place? It's for someone special.

Thanks 

 

[mprojekt]

I'll take a baker's dozen please. 12 for me, and could you gift wrap the one with its head in the wrong place? It's for someone special.

Thanks 

You say "head in the wrong place," but I would argue that the "place" is exactly the correct location, especially if it happens to correlate with what may still be known in the Army as "the four corners of contact."

 

[Melange]

You say "head in the wrong place," but I would argue that the "place" is exactly the correct location, especially if it happens to correlate with what may still be known in the Army as "the four corners of contact."

I'm not familiar with the four corners of contact reference. There's a cookie in the other series of photos in @Maharin's link that shows a misplaced head. I was going from there...

 

[BFT2020]

I assumed he was talking about one's head up their.....but that is just where my mind went when mprojekt mentioned head, 4 corners, and the army.

Sounds something one of the soldiers would say about the officers.

 

[Melange]

I assumed he was talking about one's head up their.....but that is just where my mind went when mprojekt mentioned head, 4 corners, and the army.

Sounds something one of the soldiers would say about the officers.

Thanks guys. Not too difficult to figure out. Still standing at the counter to pay for my order. Guess @Maharinwent for a one-liner break 

 

[Maharin]

I summon @Maharin!  Hey, it worked!  I wonder if I can do that anytime I want to?

 

[BFT2020]

I summon @Maharin!  Hey, it worked!  I wonder if I can do that anytime I want to?

Wonder what the unsummon command is?  

Maybe that is high level magic itself, like a Roland banhammer (same class as warhammers fyi)

 

[Jost Amman]

I summon @Maharin!  Hey, it worked!  I wonder if I can do that anytime I want to?

I banish thee @Niraham!  :yell:

 

[Maharin]

I feel different...

 

[Rotor]

Hmmm, drank the wrong punch you did!

 

[mprojekt]

I feel different...

It could be worse.

You could be Darth Jar Jar.

 

[Jost Amman]

I feel different...

You look like the average forum troll now...  :fear:

 

[SURVIVE]

He thought you were the first of nearly everyone showing up.

I'll answer simply by backing up @meganoth. The devs have never billed their Early Access as a way for investors to help steer the ship. They appreciate feedback and bug reports and they use that feedback to make some decisions but they've never asked community permission before adding something or removing something. It is always hilarious to read someone who is shocked that TFP added something that nobody ever asked for. TFP has been in complete control of development and never once tried to dupe anyone into spending their $8 by promising them a seat at the developer's table. Early Access for this game has been an early chance to play the game while it is still being developed to witness the changes that happen and see how the game evolves. Community feedback may cause some balancing changes and may even result in actual additions (or edits) to the game down the line.  They gather that feedack from many sources as well as stuff they can track as players play which gives them the real truth about how nearly everyone is playing.

Feedback isn't going to effect things much these days since the game is almost finished. Now most player dreams for what isn't included in the vanilla experience is going to have to be a mod. Now if your attitude is that you don't want to give feedback if they aren't going to implement what you say and they shouldn't ask for it if they aren't going to bind themselves to do whatever is suggested, then I have to echo the sentiment that your expectations were set way too high about what your early access was going to grant you.

Everyone? or nearly everyone? Exactly how many cookies can I expect Jost to receive just as soon as one of these two groups finally arrives?

lol man move on already the rest of us have.