The use of AI assets needs to be disclosed on the Steam page for the game

ayprofessor said:
That website mentions it must be consistent with your marketing material (which means you have to disclose the use of AI on your marketing material,
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That doesn't seem to set such a standard. All the document does is describes a flow:
1) Steam asks for disclosure statements in the survey
2) Steam evaluates your product against your statements
3) Steam adds some notice of the way you use AI

I don't know if every update goes through the same process, but all the responsibility of adding disclosure is taken up by Steam in that doc.

And while you're getting piled up on a little, I don't think you're in any way wrong to bring it up - I just went for the funnies at start ;) I don't think any of this is actually necessary, but it ain't wrong either.
 
theFlu said:
That doesn't seem to set such a standard. All the document does is describes a flow:
1) Steam asks for disclosure statements in the survey
2) Steam evaluates your product against your statements
3) Steam adds some notice of the way you use AI

I don't know if every update goes through the same process, but all the responsibility of adding disclosure is taken up by Steam in that doc.

And while you're getting piled up on a little, I don't think you're in any way wrong to bring it up - I just went for the funnies at start ;) I don't think any of this is actually necessary, but it ain't wrong either.
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The Q&A on the steamworks documentation mentions that when the survey needs to be updated to reflect the content of an updated build, the developer must contact Steam support. So, I assume you have to take that into account when the game gets updated. If I have a game and I suddenly introduce adult content with an update, for example, I have to report it myself to Steam support. I imagine it's the same with AI.

Also, thanks for being a good sport. I don't see why some people here are being so opposed to disclosing this info in the steam store page. Transparency is a good thing.
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Suxar said:
I always envy people who have so much free time that they look for problems in others and try to solve them. Where do you get so much free time?
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The funny thing is I'm checking this post and replying to you fellas on my downtime in the game, when it's dark and I'm done with crafting lol.
 
I don't think people a really "opposed" to disclosing anything, I believe most of their statements haven't shown opposition really, more of lack of concern over the issue. I agree that Steam has rules for disclosing AI use, & you may be right that TFP should disclose that use. But as most have stated/asked how does it effect you?
"That's your personal opinion, and you are entitled to it. But it's not a fact." Well please state this FACT... that anyone else has any reason to worry about it." Why should we be worried?? If they are not in compliance I am sure that is is probably quite an easy fix.
 
ayprofessor said:
Either way, I hope TFP disclose it properly and don't risk getting in trouble with Steam. It's not worth it. If TFP think it's ok to use AI assets in the game, they shouldn't have a problem with disclosing it in the steam store page.
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Again, as several have already pointed out, why are you so concerned with making sure TFP knows about it? Do you honestly think that if Steam finds out they're going to impose some hefty fine on TFP or outright ban the game? No, they will simply send an email to TFP and ask them to change the store page. It's not a big deal. It's not our problem. It also isn't yours.
 
So I've read those rules and it seems clear to me that Steam determines what is or is not displayed from the survey that the developer fills out. So TFP may very well be stating that pre-generated AI is used but Steam didn't include that part of the survey on the game's page because they didn't feel it was necessary. So this sounds like it is entirely on Steam's end.

Regarding being in line with their marketing, that is something that has certain meanings. It doesn't mean that the marketing has to announce the use of AI. It would relate to things like you're marketing the game for children but have adult content. Or you are specifically marketing the game as not including AI when it does. If TFP isn't mentioning AI in their marketing, then using pre-generated AI doesn't go against their marketing.

The entire reason for those rules isn't to notify people of AI use, but to notify people of the potential for illegal stuff generated by AI for the stuff generated live and to notify people of AI being used that isn't in line with any marketing (as I said above, if TFP marketed the game by saying no AI was used even though it was being used).

All of that being said, no one (probably) would care if it was on the store page. We just see no reason why it should matter to anyone other than TFP and Steam. Let them deal with it. If it bothers you, let Steam know. Otherwise, just let it go. TFP isn't going to get into any trouble regardless. At most, Steam would ask them to make a change and that's all. It isn't like you are protecting TFP or something by making a big deal over this.
 
You fellas are being so sensitive about this. I don't get it.

If you think this is a non issue, why are you all caring so much about disregarding the fact I'm pointing out here: that the game uses AI generated assets, and TFP need to disclose that on the store page?

Like, if the game had adult content, it would have to be disclosed. The game has violent content, and that is properly disclosed on the store page.

Steam has a policy that requires AI like this to be disclosed too. What's the problem with disclosing that? TFP just have to tick a tiny checkbox, which will add a small message at the end of their store page, and that's it. And it wouldn't be a big deal. If TFP are ok with using AI assets, they should be ok with being open and transparent about that too, especially because they could get in trouble with Steam if they don't do that, and I don't want them to get in trouble with Steam. Do you want TFP to get in trouble with Steam?

It makes absolutely no sense that this simple fact I'm pointing out here is generating such a strong response from you guys. I'm genuinely baffled.
 
You seem to be reading much more negativity in the responses than is being put in them. Most of the responses just seem to think it isn't an issue. Which it isn't. What about this situation has you so concerned? What do you fear that Steam is going to do? Shut the game down, ban it from being sold? Or more than likely Steam will send an email asking TFPs to do whatever it takes to comply. Where are the "strong" responses? Like I asked before "please state this FACT." that we should all be worrying about.
 
I agree that there doesn't need to be an argument here. A potential worry was reported, the right eyes saw the report, and now the right people are reviewing what they want to do about it.

ayprofessor said:
Please, keep us updated on this
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I don't see why you need this. Your only care was to help keep things copacetic between TFP and Steam and now those two entities will repair their relationship in some way. We don't need updating on this. The only update that is our business is that they are aware and are moving forward with the feedback. You'll either see a checked box next to AI content in the future or you won't. That picture and any other AI content will either be replaced or it won't. Think of it as a fun easter egg hunt after each update in the future until you see the result.
 
ayprofessor said:
You fellas are being so sensitive about this. I don't get it.

If you think this is a non issue, why are you all caring so much about disregarding the fact I'm pointing out here: that the game uses AI generated assets, and TFP need to disclose that on the store page?

Like, if the game had adult content, it would have to be disclosed. The game has violent content, and that is properly disclosed on the store page.

Steam has a policy that requires AI like this to be disclosed too. What's the problem with disclosing that? TFP just have to tick a tiny checkbox, which will add a small message at the end of their store page, and that's it. And it wouldn't be a big deal. If TFP are ok with using AI assets, they should be ok with being open and transparent about that too, especially because they could get in trouble with Steam if they don't do that, and I don't want them to get in trouble with Steam. Do you want TFP to get in trouble with Steam?

It makes absolutely no sense that this simple fact I'm pointing out here is generating such a strong response from you guys. I'm genuinely baffled.
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The reaction from some of the users of the forum to you honestly bringing something to help the developers was over the top, likely coming from a need to defend the game from criticism as there has recently been an influx of it due to the 2.0 update.

Just as the flame posts lambasting the game do not help, neither does it help to bash a user bringing up something the developers could have completely overlooked. It only validates the criticism the forum receives on the outside that it's filled with rabid fanboys.
 
Arma Rex said:
The reaction from some of the users of the forum to you honestly bringing something to help the developers was over the top, likely coming from a need to defend the game from criticism as there has recently been an influx of it due to the 2.0 update.

Just as the flame posts lambasting the game do not help, neither does it help to bash a user bringing up something the developers could have completely overlooked. It only validates the criticism the forum receives on the outside that it's filled with rabid fanboys.
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Where do you see any "bashing" going on here? Any posts that haven't been supportive of it have just said that it's not a big deal and that it's between TFP and Steam and none of us has any reason to be concerned about it. That's far from bashing.
 
Riamus said:
Where do you see any "bashing" going on here? Any posts that haven't been supportive of it have just said that it's not a big deal and that it's between TFP and Steam and none of us has any reason to be concerned about it. That's far from bashing.
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Too strong of a word perhaps. More accurate to say that there is a fair amount dog-piling attempts to shut down the conversation by claiming how much they "don't care" or think it's unimportant, or belittling OP for wasting his time, all of which adds nothing to the conversation.
Roland said:
Yeah, and the criticism also says that TFP don't read forums nor look at feedback and yet....
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I don't agree with that claim but I wouldn't really call this thread criticism of the developers.
 
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