PC The Offtopic, A17 thread.

[meganoth]

The streamers are supposed to help spread word of mouth on the upcoming product. That was the initial design. PR they kept saying, its a great way to spread the word and hype people. When those people begin to actively release content that hurts your public image they absolutely WOULD be cut off of being part of the early streamer weekend.

If their role is PR and they hurt the image of the brand then they are no longer PR, so why should they reap the benefits of a preview weekend, bring in subs to their channels and make money? If i ♥♥♥♥ talked my employer publicly Id be out on my ass. And since streamers are being used to promote A17 on that weekend, the same rule would apply.

You get what you pay for.

Would you remove an ad from a magazine because they made a negative, even unfair review? If it costs money you may be tempted because the money might be better spent elsewhere, but if the ad were for free or already payed it doesn't help you to hold a grudge.

 

[DaVegaNL]

Insanity. I already explained. I should have said A17e. Oops... at least in review comments I show up as just a regular joe and not a developer or anything.

Thanks for the reply, but that was not what I meant.

Why did you say A17(e) is definitively going to be out before the end of this year? I thought giving out release date estimates was a big no-no, given the past ~57 times that went haywire?

 

[lumpoycustards]

Thought it would be fun to trawl through the thread and take a bunch of quotes out of context :miserable:

3rd June

we are at feature freeze for A17

5th June

People are fixing and optimising

24th June

Things are really coming together with Alpha 17

28th June

Not this month

24th August

its really coming together

28th August

The Stream Event will not be this weekend. I'm hopeful for the following

2nd Sept

I may still be working on stuff I think needs to be done, when experimental is released

3rd Sept

Labor day weekend means work all weekend right?

4th Sept

it would be "overly optimistic to get it out before the end of the month"

8th Sept

We still have a way to go

2 weeks ago

probably NOT the second weekend of October and maybe NOT the third weekend of October

1 week ago

We're smashing it

1 week ago

it won’t be today nor next weekend either

3 days ago

We're making good progress

1 day ago

I am quite certain that the experimental version will NOT be released before the end of October

 

[meganoth]

Fallout 76 is going to fail. It goes against the core fan base of the series.

I don't think it will fail, because Bethesda already shifted their focus with Fallout to a different player base.

I, as a fan of Fallout 1,2 and even Fallout 3 didn't buy Fallout 4 yet and Fallout 76's release will be as important to me as the weather forecast for Namibia.

 

[TSBX]

So Everdeen is in (if that body stays in the world long enough to loot), smell is out (indefinitely as far as I can tell), FO76 is a cash grab into the battle royale market, and maybe the streamer thing was a bad idea.

That about sums up the last few pages, yeah?

 

[DaVegaNL]

So Everdeen is in (if that body stays in the world long enough to loot), smell is out (indefinitely as far as I can tell), FO76 is a cash grab into the battle royale market, and maybe the streamer thing was a bad idea.
That about sums up the last few pages, yeah?

Don't forget the uh.. circulatory pleasuring activity mentioned a few pages back.

 

[skippy0330]

IMHO people who come to the forum and post outright lies and mis-information like Skippy has should be fully blacklisted from any future involvement, streaming or otherwise. But that's just me.

Would you like to back up that statement and quote the misinformation I've posted on this forum?

 

[skippy0330]

That is absolutely what I meant. As I am not the developer or anyone who makes these decisions I can play armchair dev too, like so many people here love to do on a daily basis.
The streamers are supposed to help spread word of mouth on the upcoming product. That was the initial design. PR they kept saying, its a great way to spread the word and hype people. When those people begin to actively release content that hurts your public image they absolutely WOULD be cut off of being part of the early streamer weekend.

If their role is PR and they hurt the image of the brand then they are no longer PR, so why should they reap the benefits of a preview weekend, bring in subs to their channels and make money? If i ♥♥♥♥ talked my employer publicly Id be out on my ass. And since streamers are being used to promote A17 on that weekend, the same rule would apply.

Streamers are being allotted way too much power in the industry today. Companies need to remember these guys are just regular people playing a video game. For every 10 great streamers there's 100 just waiting to catch a break.

"I'm not a dev so I can't have a negative opinon about dev" makes about as much sense as saying "you can't say that was a bad movie, you're not a producer. Or, you can't say that was a bad meal, you didn't go to school to be a chef"

PR goes both ways man, when we're told to hype up our audience with a video then everything goes silent, how does that look on US as a streamer. You for some reason think we shouldn't have a voice, because it goes against yours, that is wrong and it's why the old industry is failling.

You're welcome to your opinon, but muting critism is how great people fall.

 

[eidobunny]

TFP isn't paying the streamers with anything other than 3 days early access so as far as I'm concerned the streamers aren't under any sort of contract or expectation to act a certain way. You want free PR well sometimes it's gonna be bad.

 

[brainfarticus]

Why are TFP and their fanboys so afraid of negative opinions? People are allowed to post their honest opinion just like anyone else in this community. Just because you don't like what is said means you have to take it personally. This community needs a little bit more professionalism especially TFP. Or at least hire someone more professional than Roland to be PR and voice of the team. The only person I've ever seen who was formerly apart of the team be professional is Clare. They could all learn from Clare.

Censoring people for giving their honest opinion and blaming people with negative criticism for the problems of the game are absolutely childish.

 

[Jedo]

Why are TFP and their fanboys so afraid of negative opinions?

Are they? Hmmm. I haven't seen evidence of that.

People are allowed to post their honest opinion just like anyone else in this community.

Indeed they are! Look at this post of yours which has been allowed.

Just because you don't like what is said means you have to take it personally.

Typo aside (I assume that you meant "doesn't mean."), I would point out that the same is true of those who disagree with the "fanboys."

This community needs a little bit more professionalism especially TFP. Or at least hire someone more professional than Roland to be PR and voice of the team. The only person I've ever seen who was formerly apart of the team be professional is Clare. They could all learn from Clare.

Well, you can't expect professionalism from any of the regular forum users. If that were a requirement, I suspect that there would be very few forum users (fanboys and critics alike). We probably all could learn from Clare.

Censoring people for giving their honest opinion...

Interestingly, honesty is not the problem. First, it has to be paired with civility in most cases. Second, spreading lies/misinformation is why some have been censored.

...and blaming people with negative criticism for the problems of the game are absolutely childish.

I would be interested in seeing the evidence for this statement as well.

 

[Exxodous]

Why are TFP and their fanboys so afraid of negative opinions? People are allowed to post their honest opinion just like anyone else in this community. Just because you don't like what is said means you have to take it personally. This community needs a little bit more professionalism especially TFP. Or at least hire someone more professional than Roland to be PR and voice of the team. The only person I've ever seen who was formerly apart of the team be professional is Clare. They could all learn from Clare. Censoring people for giving their honest opinion and blaming people with negative criticism for the problems of the game are absolutely childish.

I would expect constructive criticism is welcome, even valuable. For example.

I do not like "this" because of "A, B or C"

Unfortunately there is a bunch of criticism that sounds like this.

OMFG this change is going to ruin the game, are the devs stupid or just to lazy too fix it correctly?

This type of criticism is not only NOT useful but childish. And in m opinion they should be scolded and put in time out accordingly.

 

[meganoth]

17 hours since Roland's post and 14 hours since your post, Tin

Sorry, but DaVegaNL is actually correct, on steam Roland made an absolute statement (if the quote is correct). Which should be seen as a slip of the tongue or maybe even a bet on a very likely event (If he is right, all is well, if not, a lot of the players who can't stop counting the days will be up on the barricades in January anyway)

 

[CrionLord]

I advertently stated it would not be out in October which includes the 31st...

Lolz, reading comprehension? Bah nonsense!

 

[SylenThunder]

Would you like to back up that statement and quote the misinformation I've posted on this forum?

Most recently you said this in response to Richards post on the Telltale shutdown.

You guys really need to reach out beyond your forums. This is silly. This could be tweeted, published to steam in seconds. I've posted more on twitter taking a dump then you guys do in 6 months.
sorry to be critical, but expecting your audience to come to forums to get news in threads and threads of information just doesn't do it anymore.

you guys have a game with a cult following, it's your responsibility now.

Which was incorrect because it was on Steam and Twitter before it was in this forum.

That was a week ago.

Then two weeks ago you posted this.

Okey then we hope the best thanks. On the subject of the rumor mill says that it is not more: Apparently Telltale was probably responsible and they are broke if you can trust the Internet. Can A17 still come after all?

How has this become a thing? i have over 800 comments on my telltale video and maybe only one or two people commented asking if it'll effect pc development. Was there some sort of big video out there that i missed in my researches?

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Telltale has nothing to do with the PC version of 7dtd. The console versions may have a bit more of a delay for the next update but the loss of a publisher isn't a crippling problem. As far as I know Iron Galaxy are doing the code for the console port and they're fine.

Have any proof, references of this. would love to see it. I've been spending days going over posts by devs / moderators and haven't seen a single thing to confirm this. If I'm wrong, please prove it, I would love to be.

To which I replied...

Why would Telltale have anything to do with the PC version? There was even an entire thread about it when the console news was first leaked because people were afraid that console development would pull from the PC development, and it was clearly explained that it would not.
Real fast, here is the video from madmole.

"Madmole created a video explaining the PC to console porting process and what to expect going forward in regards to current and future PC features making it over to console." ~Roland

Telltale came to TFP with the bid of doing the port. They purchased licensing rights from TFP to do so. No one was hired either way.

You really need to start fact-checking before you post.

 

[ramin1992]

looooooooooooooooooooool it wont be out in October neither in November nor December

As I mentioned before it will be out in 2019 after last season of game of thrones is out and finished )))))

they announced release date so soon like 2 years earlier so what ?? ))))))))))

I'm joking I know how hard it is to fix a damn bug its really makes a person go mad, I am not happy about this much delay but at least TFP is working on updates thats good because some other game devalopers dont consider any updates or changes , they even dont listen to their players and fans thoughts so atleast fun pimps is good at that

 

[DragonFyre]

LOL SNAP

Skippy got pwned!

 

[RuttedLightning]

LOL SNAP
Skippy got pwned!

His views are down, so he needs to attract attention, bout all it is

 

[JaoZeTung]

Probably i am on a black List or so ... my last 2 Posts was been deleted - 2 or 3 Hours after i wrote them.

But may be this one will survive - who knows.

So. TFP is the Best. 7D2D is perfect. And God himself will distribute A17, becouse its so good.

Is that what you want to read roland ?

At the End - ONLY the Customer will decide - Top or Flop.

 

[DaVegaNL]

17 hours since Roland's post and 14 hours since your post, Tin

My quote was based on something (completely) different. See below. Please enlighten me on how these words should be differently interpreted.

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Sorry, but DaVegaNL is actually correct, on steam Roland made an absolute statement (if the quote is correct). Which should be seen as a slip of the tongue or maybe even a bet on a very likely event (If he is right, all is well, if not, a lot of the players who can't stop counting the days will be up on the barricades in January anyway)

Thanks!