PC The Offtopic, A17 thread.

Funny thing is: it would take max 2 hours to make a video to keep community calm but i started to Think that they like all of this Salt xD
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That way of thinking leads to what people I've worked with call "Demo Hell." It might take two hours, if they have a showable build. Before that, though, you have two options.

  1. Spend all day having conversations like this.
    "Hey, I want to do a video on skills & perks but none of the text on the stats pages will render."
    [half hour later]
    "Ayup, found it. That bug was logged last month and assigned to Larry as a low priority task."
    "Fix it now please."
    "But I'm neck-deep in shader code right now!"
    "Fix it now please."
    "Fiiiiiiiine."
    [hour later]
    "Okay, I found the problem and uploaded a fix. Update and the text will render."
    [half hour later]
    "Thanks. I tried your update and text can render now, but it's pulling in the wrong strings."
    "You again? I've never touched that part of the code. I wouldn't know where to begin."
    "But viiiideooooo!"
    "Do you want Alpha 17 to have shaders or not? Ask someone else."
    "Fiiiiiiiine."
    [hour later]
    "Hey I want to do a video TODAY but..."
     
     
  2. Press on regardless of the state of the build, and get approximately this.
    ea21f2006d6401301d80001dd8b71c47

     
    As you can imagine, B isn't good at keeping the community calm.

 
That way of thinking leads to what people I've worked with call "Demo Hell." It might take two hours, if they have a showable build. Before that, though, you have two options.

  1. Spend all day having conversations like this.
    "Hey, I want to do a video on skills & perks but none of the text on the stats pages will render."
    [half hour later]
    "Ayup, found it. That bug was logged last month and assigned to Larry as a low priority task."
    "Fix it now please."
    "But I'm neck-deep in shader code right now!"
    "Fix it now please."
    "Fiiiiiiiine."
    [hour later]
    "Okay, I found the problem and uploaded a fix. Update and the text will render."
    [half hour later]
    "Thanks. I tried your update and text can render now, but it's pulling in the wrong strings."
    "You again? I've never touched that part of the code. I wouldn't know where to begin."
    "But viiiideooooo!"
    "Do you want Alpha 17 to have shaders or not? Ask someone else."
    "Fiiiiiiiine."
    [hour later]
    "Hey I want to do a video TODAY but..."
     
     
  2. Press on regardless of the state of the build, and get approximately this.
    ea21f2006d6401301d80001dd8b71c47

     
    As you can imagine, B isn't good at keeping the community calm.
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Don't care at all, i'm not the developer, i'm they buyer and i only want to see the state of the game

 
Don't know man. Did you mean that some streamers should not get the early A17e version? I don't think cutting out the streamers with negative opinions about the game will do good in the long term. Since PR isn't TFP's strong suite, to put it that way. Or did I misinterpret what you meant?
And even though they are critical, I think they represent part of the community pretty decently, given that part of the community is highly critical. Whether that's good for TFP is questionable, of course.
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That is absolutely what I meant. As I am not the developer or anyone who makes these decisions I can play armchair dev too, like so many people here love to do on a daily basis.

The streamers are supposed to help spread word of mouth on the upcoming product. That was the initial design. PR they kept saying, its a great way to spread the word and hype people. When those people begin to actively release content that hurts your public image they absolutely WOULD be cut off of being part of the early streamer weekend.

If their role is PR and they hurt the image of the brand then they are no longer PR, so why should they reap the benefits of a preview weekend, bring in subs to their channels and make money? If i ♥♥♥♥ talked my employer publicly Id be out on my ass. And since streamers are being used to promote A17 on that weekend, the same rule would apply.

Streamers are being allotted way too much power in the industry today. Companies need to remember these guys are just regular people playing a video game. For every 10 great streamers there's 100 just waiting to catch a break.

 
How could end June/Mid July become luckily november? Every month since july Ive been creating a server to play with my brother, but we cant stand no more for a week playing on it, cos we think alpha will be out next week, which never happens :(
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I can empathize, however Alpha 17's release should not impact your current game(s) if you don't want it to. You should be able to use the betas tab in the game's properties to stay on Alpha 16.4 before, during, and after the A17 rollout.

 
*wonders when someone will work and twist [Roland's speculation on a release window] into a weird promise that never happened* :brick:
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People from various corners of the internet: We're chiseling as fast as we can, darn it!

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That is absolutely what I meant. As I am not the developer or anyone who makes these decisions I can play armchair dev too, like so many people here love to do on a daily basis.
The streamers are supposed to help spread word of mouth on the upcoming product. That was the initial design. PR they kept saying, its a great way to spread the word and hype people. When those people begin to actively release content that hurts your public image they absolutely WOULD be cut off of being part of the early streamer weekend.

If their role is PR and they hurt the image of the brand then they are no longer PR, so why should they reap the benefits of a preview weekend, bring in subs to their channels and make money? If i ♥♥♥♥ talked my employer publicly Id be out on my ass. And since streamers are being used to promote A17 on that weekend, the same rule would apply.

Streamers are being allotted way too much power in the industry today. Companies need to remember these guys are just regular people playing a video game. For every 10 great streamers there's 100 just waiting to catch a break.
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I'm just thinking one has to do some serious damage control. If your public image is already taking hits left and right, without streamers, would it do you good in the long term by silencing a handful of critical/negative streamers? Since I can guarantee you, that's how those streamers (and probably others too) will see it. The end result might be that overal damage done by cutting away those streamers is more than the damage done by letting them go on.

I fully agree with you that streamers have way too much power, and are basically just people playing the game. I don't get paid for playing videogames.... unfortunately

 
It is just hard to grasp. For example in the construction world if a contractor gives me an estimate of substantial completion date of say June/July I realize that it probably going to be some time in August.
It's just hard to grasp that a project missed the estimated release by nearly 50% of the estimated delivery time. A 5 month delay on a 3 year project is understandable. A 5 month delay on 10 month estimate is just hard to grasp.

I am not bashing you guys or saying you are not working enough. I just suppose I don't get how things work in the non physical world.

But if you guys are still iffy on the release month that's enough of an answer for me. I'll try to just forget about the game till after the new year.

Thanks for the update. It gives me a ballpark and hopefully will keep me from checking back again and again.
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Welcome to the world of software development.

I've worked on a project before that had an estimated development time of six months, but which - due to various factors - took eighteen months to finish.

It happens.

Sure, the client wasn't happy. But in the end they got what they wanted and now, a over a decade later, they're still using it.

 
Don't care at all, i'm not the developer, i'm they buyer and i only want to see the state of the game
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You don't care about the accuracy of your own statements like the "max 2 hours" comment? That's disappointing.

I'm a buyer too, and I'd rather get my hands on A17 without additional delays, so that I can be entertained with it for many hours, rather than be entertained for less than an hour by yet another video. I submit for your consideration that prioritizing a video means either delaying the release, as people have to work to make it look good, or else letting it look bad, which does the opposite of 'calming the community.'

 
That is absolutely what I meant. As I am not the developer or anyone who makes these decisions I can play armchair dev too, like so many people here love to do on a daily basis.
The streamers are supposed to help spread word of mouth on the upcoming product. That was the initial design. PR they kept saying, its a great way to spread the word and hype people. When those people begin to actively release content that hurts your public image they absolutely WOULD be cut off of being part of the early streamer weekend.

If their role is PR and they hurt the image of the brand then they are no longer PR, so why should they reap the benefits of a preview weekend, bring in subs to their channels and make money? If i ♥♥♥♥ talked my employer publicly Id be out on my ass. And since streamers are being used to promote A17 on that weekend, the same rule would apply.

Streamers are being allotted way too much power in the industry today. Companies need to remember these guys are just regular people playing a video game. For every 10 great streamers there's 100 just waiting to catch a break.
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Anyone who would read the Steam comment from "that person I named elsewhere", they would say the same as you Jax… Cut him off the streaming event altogether! When you cross the line, you deserve whatever happens to you.

Roland posted on that Steam thread, but I don't think he read that person's message... It's mean spirited; no other way to describe it.

All opinions are welcomed as long as they're constructive; but when you drag the devs in the dirt... That's just mean!

That same person also wrote bad comments in the console section, only to be corrected by SylenThunder and others, and suddenly, no more comments from him... Until I saw the ones on Steam.

Okay, time to go play 7 Days to Die and calm myself (Ravenhearst casual, the best for single players... Another free pub for you Jax!).

 
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The only ones who give importance to streamers are their viewers, which means like every other internet entity, they're only powerful if people give them power.

Ain't no streamer powerful enough to override the self importance players give themselves, so whatever negative bashing SOME streamers are giving now is going to be wholly ignored once a17 hits.

Tfp can't lose.

...unless a17 sucks. Which if that's the case, then it STILL doesn't matter what streamers say.

Bottom line, "who gives a ♥♥♥♥".

Re #Paladingate.

Meh, I think the frustration in having waited this long is justified, but I also think the release will be worth it, so both sides are right.

 
Don't know man. Did you mean that some streamers should not get the early A17e version? I don't think cutting out the streamers with negative opinions about the game will do good in the long term. Since PR isn't TFP's strong suite, to put it that way. Or did I misinterpret what you meant?
And even though they are critical, I think they represent part of the community pretty decently, given that part of the community is highly critical. Whether that's good for TFP is questionable, of course.
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IMHO people who come to the forum and post outright lies and mis-information like Skippy has should be fully blacklisted from any future involvement, streaming or otherwise. But that's just me.

 
I can't understand why people complain about it taking so long when they knowingly bought an Early Access game... It's kind of a given.

I mean, I understand wanting to play it as soon as possible... because it sounds awesome, but seriously, do you want TFP to release A17 in an unplayable state? Game breaking bugs? Half finished features? I don't think so.

 
I can't understand why people complain about it taking so long when they knowingly bought an Early Access game... It's kind of a given.
I mean, I understand wanting to play it as soon as possible... because it sounds awesome, but seriously, do you want TFP to release A17 in an unplayable state? Game breaking bugs? Half finished features? I don't think so.
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And it's not like they can't sit and play a16 right now. And if they're bored with vanilla, there are a plethora of mods to tinker with.

 
And it's not like they can't sit and play a16 right now. And if they're bored with vanilla, there are a plethora of mods to tinker with.
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For me at least, A16 kind of broke the spawn mechanics enough to make it unplayable compared to previous builds. So I've been anxiously waiting for A17 to come out since most of those issues should be fixed. Plus, the new dynamic light looks fantastic.

I've been maintaining a moderate level of patience though. I know it's not easy to get things rejiggered after a major engine update, especially on something like Unity. And I can also understand how TFP's plans on finishing the game up for a gold release can play a factor into any delays or feature changes. Frankly, if I were in their shoes I'd be pretty eager to finish up and move onto a new project on another engine like Unreal. I both admire and respect their dedication to the game, especially with their emphasis on making it actually fun and enjoyable.

Sorry, that was more than I meant to write, but I've done so much hovering in this thread without actually saying anything. And wasn't directed specifically towads you Sylen, just kind of a general sort of comment.

 
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