PC The Offtopic, A17 thread.

[Shado47]

Yes, you can disagre. What you said is correct but in this game your damage is based on your skills levels and not absortion. So does not matter if the zombie has 200 HP or 500 HP if your damage will be 50 in both.. Once girls has less HP, they are weaker then.
And also, there is no explanation by devs from damage done by the zombies. But guess what, you can see how much HP madmole lost in the game to the girl zombie attack and to the male one.. and guess what? He lost more damage to the male zombie attack.

Oh boy... Okay if we're gonna play this SJW game, I'm in. Here we go.

Girl zombies are generally weaker because, statistically, women are the weaker sex. Yes there are women who are stronger than men, nobody doubts that, but if you look at the total values, you'll find that men are just generally stronger. So that justifies the fact that male zombies do more damage with their attacks in the game. Also don't forget the "Hungry Zombie" is a woman and deals more damage than most male zombies.

Next. If we take history of wars in terms of how much physical damage a body can take, and just look at the general biology and male body structure in comparison to the female, you'll find that men on average have more stable bones, can take more damage than women (using the vietnam war as a reference - there were soldiers who basically had half their back blown away and survived it, while they almost lost all women who were injured - a surprisingly high amount of male soldiers however survived these extreme injuries (living with severe disabilities afterward, but still). Men tend to have a more stable bone structure, thicker bones, more muscle mass.

So that justifies the ingame values that male zombies can take more damage before being taken out than female zombies.

Next. Before you get started with sexism regarding objectification of the female zombies because cleavage and the stripper zombies.

The male businessmen zombies are just as stereotypical as the zombie nurse, nothing to complain there.

Example: in superhero comics for the past 100+ years, the male heroes always were overmasculine in their physical properties, while the female heroes were always overfeminine in their physical properties. Doing the same thing with stereotypes effectively, applied to the zombies in 7dtd, perfectly makes sense. The stripper zombie is quite borderline but honestly these are so rare that its not a problem. And they fit quite well into certain bars on the maps. Apart from that, nothing to talk about here.

Also you could actually counterargue that.

"Why is the male fat zombie so much fatter than the fattest female zombie? Thats sexism against men!"

"Why do only male zombies do gross things like puke at the player or explode into green goo? Sexism against men!"

Its a game.

Its not racist either just because there are no zombies of color. Or do you wanna claim that as well? ...

Lets be PC and inclusive just for the sake of inclusiveness. I want muslim zombies. I want asian zombies! I want native american zombies. I want a game about wonderwoman but I want wonderwoman to be a black bloke.

we done?

 

[zWolfer]

Yeah... I nearly got hooked.
Its funny though since the big fat Bertha (whatever the name) zombie has more hitpoints. Ah whatever each to their own. In my opinion its the size of meat that matters. If the nurse were 400 pounds of im sure someone would get rekt. <is this a word? I dont post much, but im glad for the update.

She is the only female zombie that has the same HP compared to the zombie from her categoty, the fat male zombie. Both have 300HP. This is wat i think they should do to the others normal zombies.

 

[The Gronk]

Yes, you can say that. But they are now zombies, and not "real life man and woman".
But, you forgot what i said about a male zombie that can not walk well, has half of his head chopped and yet has more HP than a female zombie in "perfect state".

Which is an issue with endurance, not strength. Muscle is far tougher than fat so I would expect something with more basic muscle-mass to be tougher than something with less.

If it bothers you that much just go into the xml's and edit their stats to your own tastes.

 

[Kimo Sabi]

You need a snickers? Wait until it actually comes out. Mad mole stated several times that balancing still needs to be done. Im sure he noticed it from a game players point of view not about sexism. Else: mod it... Problem solved!

 

[Xtrakicking]

She is the only female zombie that has the same HP compared to the zombie from her categoty, the fat male zombie. Both have 300HP. This is wat i think they should do to the others normal zombies.

What makes you think they're female, though? Why are you assuming their gender so freely like that? That's disrespectful, you know?

 

[The Gronk]

What makes you think they're female, though? Why are you assuming their gender so freely like that? That's disrespectful, you know?

This is also true, I happen to know at least one transvestite who has larger biceps than me

 

[zWolfer]

Oh boy... Okay if we're gonna play this SJW game, I'm in. Here we go.
Girl zombies are generally weaker because, statistically, women are the weaker sex. Yes there are women who are stronger than men, nobody doubts that, but if you look at the total values, you'll find that men are just generally stronger. So that justifies the fact that male zombies do more damage with their attacks in the game. Also don't forget the "Hungry Zombie" is a woman and deals more damage than most male zombies.

Next. If we take history of wars in terms of how much physical damage a body can take, and just look at the general biology and male body structure in comparison to the female, you'll find that men on average have more stable bones, can take more damage than women (using the vietnam war as a reference - there were soldiers who basically had half their back blown away and survived it, while they almost lost all women who were injured - a surprisingly high amount of male soldiers however survived these extreme injuries (living with severe disabilities afterward, but still). Men tend to have a more stable bone structure, thicker bones, more muscle mass.

So that justifies the ingame values that male zombies can take more damage before being taken out than female zombies.

Next. Before you get started with sexism regarding objectification of the female zombies because cleavage and the stripper zombies.

The male businessmen zombies are just as stereotypical as the zombie nurse, nothing to complain there.

Example: in superhero comics for the past 100+ years, the male heroes always were overmasculine in their physical properties, while the female heroes were always overfeminine in their physical properties. Doing the same thing with stereotypes effectively, applied to the zombies in 7dtd, perfectly makes sense. The stripper zombie is quite borderline but honestly these are so rare that its not a problem. And they fit quite well into certain bars on the maps. Apart from that, nothing to talk about here.

Also you could actually counterargue that.

"Why is the male fat zombie so much fatter than the fattest female zombie? Thats sexism against men!"

"Why do only male zombies do gross things like puke at the player or explode into green goo? Sexism against men!"

Its a game.

Its not racist either just because there are no zombies of color. Or do you wanna claim that as well? ...

Lets be PC and inclusive just for the sake of inclusiveness. I want muslim zombies. I want asian zombies! I want native american zombies. I want a movie about wonderwoman but I want wonderwoman to be a black bloke.

we done?

No, we are not done.

If you want to talk about real statistically, let me go.

In this world, the Human sex ratio its like 101 males to 100 females. But, in USA, the proportion of females is higher than males. In 7DTD there is 9 female zombies and 20 male zombies.

In 7DTD there is only male traders.

If you have been seen the video about survivors/bandits.. there is one female to 7 male npcs.

So woman can be weaker, in general, in real life. But like you said, ITS a game. A game about zombies. Have you seen a zombie to tell me that the males will be stronger than the females zombies? i guess not.

I respect your opinion, but i totally disagree with it.

Also, no one is talking about the Rotting Carcas zombie (he has half of his head chopped, cant walk well, but still stronger than all female zombies, except the fat girl).

 

[cnconrad]

No, we are not done.If you want to talk about real statistically, let me go.

In this world, the Human sex ratio its like 101 males to 100 females. But, in USA, the proportion of females is higher than males. In 7DTD there is 9 female zombies and 20 male zombies.

In 7DTD there is only male traders.

If you have been seen the video about survivors/bandits.. there is one female to 7 male npcs.

So woman can be weaker, in general, in real life. But like you said, ITS a game. A game about zombies. Have you seen a zombie to tell me that the males will be stronger than the females zombies? i guess not.

I respect your opinion, but i totally disagree with it.

Also, no one is talking about the Rotting Carcas zombie (he has half of his head chopped, cant walk well, but still stronger than all female zombies, except the fat girl).

Stop spamming with unrelated trash. Go debate your gender issues in a place that is not here. If you must troll people here create your own thread.

 

[zWolfer]

What makes you think they're female, though? Why are you assuming their gender so freely like that? That's disrespectful, you know?

Their names? Putrid Girl, Infected Mom, Risen Woman Zombie, Zombie Stripper, Hungry Female Zombie..

Also, they have a woman body. Even if they were guys, they have woman body, so they are female.

 

[Xtrakicking]

Their names? Putrid Girl, Infected Mom, Risen Woman Zombie, Zombie Stripper, Hungry Female Zombie..
Also, they have a woman body. Even if they were guys, they have woman body, so they are female.

I can't... this is just too funny.

 

[zWolfer]

Sorry bro, but thats like saying little kids are as tough as adults. But its not sexist, its pure science. Larger animals take more bullets to take down so bigger zombies should have more hit points and hit harder than smaller ones. The fat female zombie has a lot more hit points than a small man zombie, so no we're not being sexist about this. Not that you shouldn't expect some sexism in a game made by "fun pimps"
That said its pretty much unanimously agreed that males are generally bigger and stronger than females of equal genetic makeup and training conditions.

This is understandable. But like i said too, Rotting Carcas zombie is a male zombie that has half of his head chopped, cant walk well, but still stronger than all female zombies, except for the fat girl. So you used the science to tell me mans are strongers than female, but the science also does tell that the rotting zombie should be weaker because of his body, almost "done".. :0

 

[cnconrad]

Sorry bro, but thats like saying little kids are as tough as adults. But its not sexist, its pure science. Larger animals take more bullets to take down so bigger zombies should have more hit points and hit harder than smaller ones. The fat female zombie has a lot more hit points than a small man zombie, so no we're not being sexist about this. Not that you shouldn't expect some sexism in a game made by "fun pimps"
That said its pretty much unanimously agreed that males are generally bigger and stronger than females of equal genetic makeup and training conditions.

Hey Madmole don't get distracted by this troll.

Are you really getting rid of the regular Forest and planes biome.

I strongly disagree with this idea. You are effectively sticking us with 1 single good biome to start with. This is not a good design decision in my opinion.

I just restarted 7 days for a 16 as as someone who has 400+ hours in starting in a burnt biome surrounded by snow biomes is an extremely not fun start. I couldn't even imagine how turned off a new player would be. Having 4/5 biomes miserable to be in at the start of a game.

Planes and maple forest added nice variety and I don't understand why having variety is bad.

 

[The Gronk]

So woman can be weaker, in general, in real life. But like you said, ITS a game. A game about zombies. Have you seen a zombie to tell me that the males will be stronger than the females zombies? i guess not.

If we're going with "burden of proof" have you seen a zombie in real life that tells you it would be any different? Guess not.

 

[zWolfer]

Stop spamming with unrelated trash. Go debate your gender issues in a place that is not here. If you must troll people here create your own thread.

Im talking about the game and giving my feedback, is not because of this that the topic exist?. So If you dont like it, ignore it. That's all.

 

[The Gronk]

I can't... this is just too funny.

Yep, boobs do not make the person. I've got male friends with a larger cup-size than some of my ex-girlfriends

 

[Shado47]

No, we are not done.If you want to talk about real statistically, let me go.

In this world, the Human sex ratio its like 101 males to 100 females. But, in USA, the proportion of females is higher than males. In 7DTD there is 9 female zombies and 20 male zombies.

In 7DTD there is only male traders.

If you have been seen the video about survivors/bandits.. there is one female to 7 male npcs.

So woman can be weaker, in general, in real life. But like you said, ITS a game. A game about zombies. Have you seen a zombie to tell me that the males will be stronger than the females zombies? i guess not.

I respect your opinion, but i totally disagree with it.

Also, no one is talking about the Rotting Carcas zombie (he has half of his head chopped, cant walk well, but still stronger than all female zombies, except the fat girl).

Alright then lets keep playing. Yes, 101 males to 100 females and yes, in the USA, there are more women than men. 9 female and 20 male zombies in the game I suppose is true, I haven't counted them - have you included the hazmat zombie as female in that list? The hazmat one is female. Depending on that, it might be 10:19. But if we actually take a closer look at them, the zombies that are basically just urban are actually half each gender - the majority of the male zombies comes from all the special zombies.

There is no need in the game for a male and a female version of soldier zombies, a male and a female version of the utility worker zombies, a male and a female version of nurses (!), a male and a female version of hazmat zombies (!), a male and a female version of biker zombies, etc.

Thats pointless.

But if you look at the special zombies you can quickly identify why they have that specific distribution.

More men are soldiers than women - so making the soldier zombies male makes sense. There is no female version because that wastes space in the atlas that can be used for other zeds later on, it uses resources and as a special zombie is so rare that it wouldnt show up that often anyways.

Same thing applies to utility worker zombies - more men work as utility workers than women, far more actually, so making them male makes perfect sense.

Same thing applies to the bikers - the majority of bikers in Europe and the United States and Canada (There are no reliable statistics for other regions) are male. Making them male only makes sense.

Same applies to the businessmen zombies - more men work in desk jobs than women. Makes sense to add them male.

Now lets check the argument the other way - what about female dominated jobs? Science? Alot of women in science, the majority of scientists are women nowadays. And so the hazmat zombies are female. Makes sense.

More women are in medicine fields - and the only medicine-related zombie is the nurse - female.

So we see the argument stands both ways.

Also hordes are essentially composed of pretty much 50:50 in terms of gender. There are simply more special male zombies that only show up in very certain areas.

In 7dtd the traders are only male right now but thats because thats just a very simple implementation and nowhere near finished. Proof of concept. Bare bones. Tweaked so its functional but there will be female traders I bet.

Same goes for the bandits. Yes in the video there was just one female bandit mentioned. But thats not representative. There will be more NPC factions and way more NPCs by the time they are implemented and will be finished (most likely not in the same version where they will be implemented).

Also you trying to make the "its a game" point only apply to your arguments and not mine doesnt really make sense. It either applies generally, then why take things this serious at all? Or we leave it by the side and ignore the fact that its a game. But it doesnt make sense if you disagree with my arguments (which are backed by facts and facts dont care about your feelings) but then come and use a point I made to counter my arguments.

I respectfully disagree with your ill-informed opinion.

Have a good day.

 

[Odetta]

Yes, you can disagre. What you said is correct but in this game your damage is based on your skills levels and not absortion. So does not matter if the zombie has 200 HP or 500 HP if your damage will be 50 in both.. Once girls has less HP, they are weaker then.
And also, there is no explanation by devs from damage done by the zombies. But guess what, you can see how much HP madmole lost in the game to the girl zombie attack and to the male one.. and guess what? He lost more damage to the male zombie attack.

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Sry, but i do not remeber a single zombie game that makes male zombies stronger than female just because of their genders. But you can tell me some..

Nice strawman, almost thought you actually had something to say.

 

[zWolfer]

Alright then lets keep playing. Yes, 101 males to 100 females and yes, in the USA, there are more women than men. 9 female and 20 male zombies in the game I suppose is true, I haven't counted them - have you included the hazmat zombie as female in that list? The hazmat one is female. Depending on that, it might be 10:19. But if we actually take a closer look at them, the zombies that are basically just urban are actually half each gender - the majority of the male zombies comes from all the special zombies.There is no need in the game for a male and a female version of soldier zombies, a male and a female version of the utility worker zombies, a male and a female version of nurses (!), a male and a female version of hazmat zombies (!), a male and a female version of biker zombies, etc.

Thats pointless.

But if you look at the special zombies you can quickly identify why they have that specific distribution.

More men are soldiers than women - so making the soldier zombies male makes sense. There is no female version because that wastes space in the atlas that can be used for other zeds later on, it uses resources and as a special zombie is so rare that it wouldnt show up that often anyways.

Same thing applies to utility worker zombies - more men work as utility workers than women, far more actually, so making them male makes perfect sense.

Same thing applies to the bikers - the majority of bikers in Europe and the United States and Canada (There are no reliable statistics for other regions) are male. Making them male only makes sense.

Same applies to the businessmen zombies - more men work in desk jobs than women. Makes sense to add them male.

Now lets check the argument the other way - what about female dominated jobs? Science? Alot of women in science, the majority of scientists are women nowadays. And so the hazmat zombies are female. Makes sense.

More women are in medicine fields - and the only medicine-related zombie is the nurse - female.

So we see the argument stands both ways.

Also hordes are essentially composed of pretty much 50:50 in terms of gender. There are simply more special male zombies that only show up in very certain areas.

In 7dtd the traders are only male right now but thats because thats just a very simple implementation and nowhere near finished. Proof of concept. Bare bones. Tweaked so its functional but there will be female traders I bet.

Same goes for the bandits. Yes in the video there was just one female bandit mentioned. But thats not representative. There will be more NPC factions and way more NPCs by the time they are implemented and will be finished (most likely not in the same version where they will be implemented).

Also you trying to make the "its a game" point only apply to your arguments and not mine doesnt really make sense. It either applies generally, then why take things this serious at all? Or we leave it by the side and ignore the fact that its a game. But it doesnt make sense if you disagree with my arguments (which are backed by facts and facts dont care about your feelings) but then come and use a point I made to counter my arguments.

I respectfully disagree with your ill-informed opinion.

Have a good day.

First, you precipted about hazmat zombie, like patch notes from alpha 16 says: "Removed zombies – The miner zombie and the female hazmat zombie have been removed as they didn’t offer enough variance to earn a permanent job at team Z."

Second, i agree with you, there is no need for a male/female version from each zombie.

Third, about 50:50 horde, that does not bothers me if it was different, cuz it should be random and based on player kills or whatever.

Fourth, i know the game is not finished yet, and maybe for it there is no female traders or npcs coming up, but like we all know, alpha means adding everything and when the game launch, they just fix it... If they are not adding them now, i guess they wont do it later too.

and Last, you ignored again, the fact that there is a rotting carcas male zombie..........

 

[Xtrakicking]

Edit: to all others. Apologies for my walls of text here, I just easily get carried away in debates with SJWs. I enjoy these conversations more than I should probably. hehe ^^

No worries, but remember, never argue with trolls. They will drag you to their level and beat you with experience.

 

[The Gronk]

Fourth, i know the game is not finished yet, and maybe for it there is no female traders or npcs coming up, but like we all know, alpha means adding everything and when the game launch, they just fix it... If they are not adding them now, i guess they wont do it later too.

Which just goes to prove you know as much about game design as you do about gender reassignment surgery.