PC The Offtopic, A17 thread.

as a coder AND a developer (since some people believe there is a distinction, which there isnt) my only problem with the release of a17e is that you are treating the current development as a pre-pre-alpha. to break it down, a17 is Alpha 17, a17-e is a pre-alpha, i watch steam.info and i watch the daily updates that are being added; there is nothing wrong with running the Early Release as you have been doing for alphas before calling them beta (which should honestly be the true Early Release versions) but to hold up promised release on a pre-alpha is ridiculous. You should terminate the development forum and any advertisement altogether until you are ready to AT LEAST drop a17e and quite honestly you shouldnt drop an a17e release. its a very serious problem with startup companies today.. "ooh we want to keep them on the line so we will create several generations of pre-pre-pre-pre-pre (you get the point) alphas and bait them along." Either you have a product or you do not.. dont even MENTION an 17 until you are AT LEAST ready to push the a17e. idk about you but i am 46, i come from old school programming. Alpha is in-house ONLY. Beta is released to qualified participants that can actually offer insight and qualified bug reports; and then there is release. You have been selling Alpha builds for YEARS now, you have no right to get upset or spite anyone who complains about those releases, you NEVER should have released them to begin with. stop sapping your potential market with this crap.. I absolutely, POSITIVELY, promise you, you will NEVER sell another title so long as anyone who has been "involved" with your project via Early Release has anything to say about it.
I am not saying you are not developing a great game here, and I am not entirely saying I am upset i got in early; but i AM saying that if TFP ever attempts to sell an early release of any other title, i do not care how great it is, I **WILL** ♥♥♥♥-block your ass and campaign against anyone buying into it. It's pitiful... hardly a Duke Nukem 3D event, but damn close. Either step it up, or step the f* out.
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The fact that you would waste time going after a dev just because you don’t like the way they do things instead of spending time doing productive things in your own life shows just how sad a person you are.

If someone pisses me off that much I walk away and never give them another thought and go do something that’s good for me.

 
as a coder AND a developer (since some people believe there is a distinction, which there isnt) my only problem with the release of a17e is that you are treating the current development as a pre-pre-alpha. to break it down, a17 is Alpha 17, a17-e is a pre-alpha, i watch steam.info and i watch the daily updates that are being added; there is nothing wrong with running the Early Release as you have been doing for alphas before calling them beta (which should honestly be the true Early Release versions) but to hold up promised release on a pre-alpha is ridiculous. You should terminate the development forum and any advertisement altogether until you are ready to AT LEAST drop a17e and quite honestly you shouldnt drop an a17e release. its a very serious problem with startup companies today.. "ooh we want to keep them on the line so we will create several generations of pre-pre-pre-pre-pre (you get the point) alphas and bait them along." Either you have a product or you do not.. dont even MENTION an 17 until you are AT LEAST ready to push the a17e. idk about you but i am 46, i come from old school programming. Alpha is in-house ONLY. Beta is released to qualified participants that can actually offer insight and qualified bug reports; and then there is release. You have been selling Alpha builds for YEARS now, you have no right to get upset or spite anyone who complains about those releases, you NEVER should have released them to begin with. stop sapping your potential market with this crap.. I absolutely, POSITIVELY, promise you, you will NEVER sell another title so long as anyone who has been "involved" with your project via Early Release has anything to say about it.
I am not saying you are not developing a great game here, and I am not entirely saying I am upset i got in early; but i AM saying that if TFP ever attempts to sell an early release of any other title, i do not care how great it is, I **WILL** ♥♥♥♥-block your ass and campaign against anyone buying into it. It's pitiful... hardly a Duke Nukem 3D event, but damn close. Either step it up, or step the f* out.
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You must be fun at parties. You speak with such a strong allusion to authority on a matter where you have no authority. like too many of your generation, you want to bully others into following your deluded preferences. Welcome to the 21st century, where there are 8 billion ways to accomplish the same goal with the same level of efficiency or higher. Nobody cares that you were born in the 70's; and certainly nobody cares that you want all sales of a game we all agreed to purchase incomplete to be stopped. I'm betting you're an only child :apathy:

 
IF you research this game, the owners are not willing to sell and they are in a strong hold with investors. I belive the brothers are fighting over the game. Do your research yourself or pay me money and I will show you the facts.
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IF you research this game, the owners are not willing to sell and they are in a strong hold with investors. I belive the brothers are fighting over the game. Do your research yourself or pay me money and I will show you the facts.
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I have better things to do with my life than research 2 brothers who put out an indie EA game.

Maybe you should too. Again Im intrigued at what you have personally on the line here to care so much. Honestly it's turning into borderline obsession here.

You have a seat at the next Thanksgiving dinner or something? Should we alert TMZ?

 
That is why I started my post and most of the 7 days to die community flamed me. My post were not to hurt the game - read the news - ratings and the court filings. The Brothers (TFP) will not settle on a contract. Yes, A lot of money is involved. That is why I have asked where have they been? Players = Games = Company. They are stalled over money. OPEN your EYES - Large amount of money will make you greedy - Who came up with the game - Who decided this - Until the game is finalized with money - and the designers are payed what they think they are worth This game is dead. That is why I asked for them to produce a Financial statement. I am not talking ♥♥♥♥ of the (TFP), but if they had their finances in order they would release them to devoted players. Now, wow - I am not so bad. Start asking questions.

 
That is why I started my post and most of the 7 days to die community flamed me. My post were not to hurt the game - read the news - ratings and the court filings. The Brothers (TFP) will not settle on a contract. Yes, A lot of money is involved. That is why I have asked where have they been? Players = Games = Company. They are stalled over money. OPEN your EYES - Large amount of money will make you greedy - Who came up with the game - Who decided this - Until the game is finalized with money - and the designers are payed what they think they are worth This game is dead. That is why I asked for them to produce a Financial statement. I am not talking ♥♥♥♥ of the (TFP), but if they had their finances in order they would release them to devoted players. Now, wow - I am not so bad. Start asking questions.
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Quick. Seal the decks!

 
That is why I started my post and most of the 7 days to die community flamed me. My post were not to hurt the game - read the news - ratings and the court filings. The Brothers (TFP) will not settle on a contract. Yes, A lot of money is involved. That is why I have asked where have they been? Players = Games = Company. They are stalled over money. OPEN your EYES - Large amount of money will make you greedy - Who came up with the game - Who decided this - Until the game is finalized with money - and the designers are payed what they think they are worth This game is dead. That is why I asked for them to produce a Financial statement. I am not talking ♥♥♥♥ of the (TFP), but if they had their finances in order they would release them to devoted players. Now, wow - I am not so bad. Start asking questions.
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i commend you on that, seriously. as for robert and Dauth, you suck-ups are why nothing ever gets completed, KEEP giving them excuses to delay progress and see what happens. you speak of My Generation, well i will respond in kind. MY generation released titles and sold them, there was never any of this BS you are seeing in the current generation, the title was produced, people bought it and everyone was happy.. YOUR generation seems to thrive on complaining about crap you have no say in.. stfu and listen youngster, you arent the answers, youare the problem.

 
as a coder AND a developer (since some people believe there is a distinction, which there isnt) my only problem with the release of a17e is that you are treating the current development as a pre-pre-alpha...
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As another software developer, I can also tell you that version naming and version numbers don't have anything resembling a static industry-wide meanings. I certainly wouldn't call software that was incomplete a beta, but I also wouldn't be viscerally offended if some other company did. The labels are practically meaningless, but the description of "Early Access" on Steam is quite explicit that you are buying into a work in progress that may be broken and unfinished and if you are not happy with the current state of the game potentially being the only thing you get, to spend your money elsewhere.

I spent more on lunch today than I did on this game and was happy with my purchase at the 20 hour mark, let alone with the hundreds of additional hours of play that have happened since. I will absolutely consider early access for whatever the Pimps do next.

 
As another software developer, I can also tell you that version naming and version numbers don't have anything resembling a static industry-wide meanings. I certainly wouldn't call software that was incomplete a beta, but I also wouldn't be viscerally offended if some other company did. The labels are practically meaningless, but the description of "Early Access" on Steam is quite explicit that you are buying into a work in progress that may be broken and unfinished and if you are not happy with the current state of the game potentially being the only thing you get, to spend your money elsewhere.
I spent more on lunch today than I did on this game and was happy with my purchase at the 20 hour mark, let alone with the hundreds of additional hours of play that have happened since. I will absolutely consider early access for whatever the Pimps do next.
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i spent NO money on this game if we are going to be honest here, i was running a pirate version for a while and enjoyed it and a friend on steam purchased my legal version for me as a gift. I am not complaining about the sale of the product, i am complaining that they are advertising a new release and keep making excuses as to why they will not release it. they NEVER should have mentioned any timeframe what so ever to a17 (much less a17e) until they were ready to release something. further, barring the alpha/beta conventions *IF* they were intending on dropping an a17-e they should just release it, its Experimental.. it is bound to fail.. why are you in-house bug-checking?!? release the experimental and let users report the bugs, collect the data and work with it (as SHOULD be done with Beta) the publishers are so afraid to lose interest they are grasping at anything to keep people interested.. want to keep people interested? allow them to actively report bugs and identify them when you fi said bugs

 
@3razar3 I am not in competition with you. I think the players need answers. TFP are misleading the entire player followers... Do you agree?

 
As another software developer, I can also tell you that version naming and version numbers don't have anything resembling a static industry-wide meanings. I certainly wouldn't call software that was incomplete a beta, but I also wouldn't be viscerally offended if some other company did. The labels are practically meaningless, but the description of "Early Access" on Steam is quite explicit that you are buying into a work in progress that may be broken and unfinished and if you are not happy with the current state of the game potentially being the only thing you get, to spend your money elsewhere.
I spent more on lunch today than I did on this game and was happy with my purchase at the 20 hour mark, let alone with the hundreds of additional hours of play that have happened since. I will absolutely consider early access for whatever the Pimps do next.
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Agreed 100%, I have played this game more than any 6 games I have, every build has been like a new game for me. A couple of older guys I play with always come back with me on the releases, that alone is worth it to me. I wouldn't even mind letting some creative people join our server, but I don't want to put up with young kids or grievers, I don't have the patience for it anymore. I would have paid $100 extra for updates (+ 1 Behemoth-stares intently at MM). Can't wait to see what they come up with.

 
i commend you on that, seriously. as for robert and Dauth, you suck-ups are why nothing ever gets completed, KEEP giving them excuses to delay progress and see what happens. you speak of My Generation, well i will respond in kind. MY generation released titles and sold them, there was never any of this BS you are seeing in the current generation, the title was produced, people bought it and everyone was happy.. YOUR generation seems to thrive on complaining about crap you have no say in.. stfu and listen youngster, you arent the answers, youare the problem.
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Really? I have beta tested over a thousand games and alpha tested 200 +.

Most before steam existed some before the internet. Of those only about 20% ever made it to gold. Seems this generation is doing just fine.

 
@3razar3 if you have so much pull, then demand the company "TFP" payroll and where all the money is going for their millions of copies? Development? Player satisfaction? Advertisement? So far, 3 Owners - Millions of Dollars - Where did it go?

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I have caught so much crap because I want the players to demand where the money is going.... but I am the bad one on here. It is a game, lots of money involved and the so called "owners" which I called out a few days ago never answered. Millions of Dollars.... Millions..... No progression on the game.... Check their wallets - I bet they are FAT! and THICK.

 
Really? I have alpha tested 200 +. Most before steam existed some before the internet.
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so you are an in-house developer with a company then? otherwise you are lying. if you claim to have the experience i am speaking of, thats the only answer. otherwise you are talking trash.

and to clarify unless you are over 70, you werent doing jack sh*t before the internet. I was in high-standing (in less than reputable areas) on the internet in the early 80's and forward in the realms of programming and development and I assure you your excuse is still invalid

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@3razar3 if you have so much pull, then demand the company "TFP" payroll and where all the money is going for their millions of copies? Development? Player satisfaction? Advertisement? So far, 3 Owners - Millions of Dollars - Where did it go?
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I have caught so much crap because I want the players to demand where the money is going.... but I am the bad one on here. It is a game, lots of money involved and the so called "owners" which I called out a few days ago never answered. Millions of Dollars.... Millions..... No progression on the game.... Check their wallets - I bet they are FAT! and THICK.
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edit this post, i will edit this one after you do.. we are NOT in disagreement

 
So, when is another software company going to stand up to the TFP and demand answers? None - as of yet. Free money from the players. I wish a real Software company would file suit and demand a formal audit. Wow! That would be devastating.

 
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So, when is another software company going to stand up to the TFP and demand answers? None - as of yet. Free money from the players. I wish a real Software company would file suit and demand a formal audit. Wow! That would be devastating.
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How do you think the software industry (and I suppose the court system in general) works? I work for a software company. What should we sue the Fun Pimps over? We have no business relationship and even if we'd bought a copy of the game the kickstarter and early access models explicitly include no contract between the buyer and the developer. MadMole could post a video of him rolling around naked on stacks of $100 bills tomorrow and say they're done and neither of us would have any recourse, let alone some outside "Software company".

 
How do you think the software industry works? I work for a software company. What should we sue the Fun Pimps over? We have no business relationship and even if we'd bought a copy of the game the kickstarter and early access models explicitly include no contract between the buyer and the developer. MadMole could post a video of him rolling around naked on stacks of $100 bills tomorrow and say they're done and neither of us would have any recourse, let alone some outside "Software company".
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gotta agree with zackss there is no legal recourse by other companies UNLESS there is a copyright infringement.. HOWEVER, for the many people complaining (not myself) Steam SHOULD have a payback system.. it's one thing to offer a title with a year or two open end early release another to keep the buyers on an eternal fishhook

 
as a coder AND a developer (since some people believe there is a distinction, which there isnt) my only problem with the release of a17e is that you are treating the current development as a pre-pre-alpha. <snipped for sanity>
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Gold: Final bug-fix

Beta: Mechanics in, buggy

Alpha: Mechanics are broken or missing

Pre-Alpha: The mechanics are written on paper

Pre-Pre-Alha: The mechanics exist as thought

Between that and the quite frankly terrible spelling and punctuation? I'm doubting the aging developer story, we get more pedantic with age... not less.

 
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