The game is in a bad shape compared to it's former self

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Zivat

Refugee
Hi,

I played a lot and loved the game on pc many years ago. I purchased it on xbox and my disappointment lead me here to post this. I think this is the first time in 14 years I make a post on a game's forum. I played 108 hours of 7d2d on xbox and during this 108 hours I haven't managed to build a workstation, I never had a better ranged weapon than a pipe shotgun. The best weapon I had was a baseball bat, but 99% of the time I used basicly prehistoric weapons like a wooden club or stone spear..

Why? Because of the magazine system. I can't remember now the exact old progression system, as I wrote it was many years ago I played on pc, but I remember that it was fluid, progression was natural, or at least much more natural than this abomination. At this point the game is a caveman, walking simulator, where the caveman is looting mailboxes and libraries. I haven't looted anything even slightly significant in my 108 hours of gametime other than some food and magazines I will never need. I gave up, I keep an eye on the game and hope You, the devs will change direction.

And before you might think that I want overpowered weapons and reach the endgame right away, no I don't want it, or care about it. I have no problem with the grind, I played BDO for years. But I want the grind to be fun and forcing me to play with weapons that looks and feels terrible and nonsense is not fun. Not to mention that this is a sandbox, at least it was. Maybe I want to run a nomad playstyle and go from house to house, maybe I just want to turtle up and fortify myself, but how if I can't even make a grilled meat without magazines? GRILLED MEAT! This system is ridicolously bad, absolutely terrible!
 
I share your dislike of the magazine system, but it takes about 30-40 hours of casual gameplay to unlock Everything you'd want. Being 100 hours in and still sporting stone tier is mainly user error...

But there's been talks of some form of a hybrid* system being at least studied internally .. that might smooth things out for anyone not willing to do book hunting. Might even get me back in for a playthrough or two...

*Hybrid between learning from magazines and learning from crafting itself, or some such.
 
There are some options coming in the next update that should be releasing very soon that will help out people who don't like the magazines. I doubt at this late stage that TFP will completely change direction on magazines but they are working to bring options that can support a myriad of alternative playstyles. Hopefully, one or more of the new options will be to your liking in regards to magazines.
 
Zivat said:
Hi,

I played a lot and loved the game on pc many years ago. I purchased it on xbox and my disappointment lead me here to post this. I think this is the first time in 14 years I make a post on a game's forum. I played 108 hours of 7d2d on xbox and during this 108 hours I haven't managed to build a workstation, I never had a better ranged weapon than a pipe shotgun. The best weapon I had was a baseball bat, but 99% of the time I used basicly prehistoric weapons like a wooden club or stone spear..

Why? Because of the magazine system. I can't remember now the exact old progression system, as I wrote it was many years ago I played on pc, but I remember that it was fluid, progression was natural, or at least much more natural than this abomination. At this point the game is a caveman, walking simulator, where the caveman is looting mailboxes and libraries. I haven't looted anything even slightly significant in my 108 hours of gametime other than some food and magazines I will never need. I gave up, I keep an eye on the game and hope You, the devs will change direction.

And before you might think that I want overpowered weapons and reach the endgame right away, no I don't want it, or care about it. I have no problem with the grind, I played BDO for years. But I want the grind to be fun and forcing me to play with weapons that looks and feels terrible and nonsense is not fun. Not to mention that this is a sandbox, at least it was. Maybe I want to run a nomad playstyle and go from house to house, maybe I just want to turtle up and fortify myself, but how if I can't even make a grilled meat without magazines? GRILLED MEAT! This system is ridicolously bad, absolutely terrible!
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I think there was a misunderstanding... you don't have to SCRAP the books to learn the recipes, you have to READ them!
 
The way you describe things definitely sounds like you just need to relearn the game. There is no reason you should be at T1 weapons after over 100 hours. I have the best of everything by day 30-40 (it varies by game) on 2 hour days. That means 60-80 hours. And it's not uncommon to have everything maxed even earlier, though I don't make any real effort to do so. With no real effort and not trying to rush things, I'm out of T1 weapons in the weapon I choose to use (spears, for me) within the first half week or so. If you put any points at all into your weapon perk, you're going to be finding a lot of magazines for your weapon without even trying. And it doesn't take that many to be into T2. The only magazines that aren't easy to find unless you specifically put points into armor in order to boost them are the armor magazines. Any other magazine drops well even without points put into the related perk, but armor magazines are rare without points in armor.

Keep in mind that I do not go out hunting book stores and then keep questing them over and over to get magazines. I do not run down every street in town and hit every mailbox. I will loot mailboxes and newsstands if I'm there, but I'm not going around just trying to loot them. So even without trying to rush magazines in some way and only looting when it is natural to do so, I still easily have better weapons in no time.

And don't forget that magazines only relate to crafting. You don't have to craft. You can get good equipment without reading a single magazine. And at over 100 hours in the game, there's no reason you shouldn't have found T3 weapons. Even if you stayed in the forest and ignore higher tier biomes and only did tier 1 POI, you should have easily looted T3 weapons well before 100 hours. Unless you're not looting anything or not doing anything to level up and raise your game stage. And if that's the case, that's more of the cause of your issue than magazines.

Now, if you were just tossing random stuff out there because you don't like magazines and you didn't really play over 100 hours without progressing to better weapons, then that's fine. There's nothing wrong with not liking magazines. But what you describe doesn't sound like it is really a problem with magazines. It sounds like it's a user problem. Play a few games to get used to the game again and it's unlikely you'll be having that problem anymore.

Btw, if you really have trouble dealing with magazines, you can equip the nerd armor when reading the magazines for a chance at double progress (2 points instead of 1) per magazine you read and/or you can put points into Intellect Mastery, which will increase the chance of getting an extra magazine drop in loot, making even trash piles valuable, as well as more chance to get double progress. If you combine Intellect Mastery and nerd armor, you are going to need a LOT fewer magazines to max out your crafting.
 
After A21 the game clearly went in the wrong direction, but the main problem is not even the magazines - 7DTD still has no proper dynamic balance between progression and difficulty, so once you survive the first days, the game quickly turns into boring routine with no real endgame. Hi everyone.
 
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