Temperature!

Bring back snow in the forest when the temperature system returns. The animations and transition was well made and the cold effects would add a little more inherent danger and randomness to the forest.
 
4sheetzngeegles said:
They can be an objective bottleneck. I just look at them as another entity, like the the use to be 4 legged ninjas
that make sounds now, the hornet that would follow you across a map, oh I loved them, and the desert, when
vultures actually attacked. I re-nable these every alpha, just because they are a part of the game.

I can see how the exponential spawn can become a lot. But I try to keep my mind on heat, mixing my weapon
type use. And moving around, I looked at heat map gen when I was doing a project, I for get the distance, but
If I moved a certain distance, that area had no heat, and Id let the other area cool down, then resume.

@Riamus just mentioned something I never thought about, Pregen a screamer just before entry. I will use that.

I just thought of something else have you ever tried having spike traps in your belt next to your main weapon. just drop them across the
path then use your longest melee weapon, to knock them down if you can, they continue to get hurt while laying there, and it lets the heat
co down a bit.
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True, i'll try the spikes. When it comes to the green zombies, they'll just walk through the spikes like they're nothin', which i'm sure it's the same for the blue and red/orange zombies, but more vicious than the green (still haven't encountered the blue and red/orange zombies yet).
 
Riamus said:
If you go in to a POI using guns, especially ones like a machine gun or shotgun, you're going to attract them. I think that makes sense. I rarely get screamers at a POI because I prefer using melee. But as mentioned, you can do things to deal with screamers if you want to use guns that generate a lot of "heat". Closing doors and putting spikes down will slow them a lot. Breaking a ladder or staircase so they can't follow you up is another good option. Of course, I don't do either and I'll just kill whatever comes in. But if you find the screamer hordes to be too much, those are good ways to keep them away or thin their numbers before they reach you. Having an exit so you're not stuck in a corner also is very helpful. You can normally hear a lot of noise once screamers bring their horde to a POI, so you should be aware that they are there long before they reach you and can prepare. Find a place up high and start killing them from a distance. There are definitely options available to deal with them.

And if you really want to reduce the chances of dealing with them, you can get them to spawn before you start the POI by generating a lot of heat near the POI. Then you can kill them before starting the POI and you'll have a minimum of 22 minutes before they'll spawn again. That isn't enough to finish a POI, but they aren't guaranteed to spawn at 22 minutes. There is only a chance. And if they don't spawn, you have 4 minutes before they have a chance to spawn again. It repeats that way, so by killing them first, you have at least 22 minutes and a decent chance of 30+ minutes before they spawn. That might not let you finish the POI, but you'll be much further in by then and more likely to be in a location they can't easily get to considering how most tier 5s are built.
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Hmm, well nowadays during mission POIs, I mainly use the bow for killing the sleeping zombies while sneaking for the 3.5 bonus damage (mostly cause my current bow does more damage than both my pistol and rifle, even with mods on, which is pretty embarrassing) and use the stun baton on single walking zombies, due to it's 5 sec Immobility feature, which I enjoy a lot. If there's more than 1 zombie coming at me, then I switch to the pistol. When it comes to Bloodmoon though, then it's a different story.
 
SabinSnake said:
Hmm, well nowadays during mission POIs, I mainly use the bow for killing the sleeping zombies while sneaking for the 3.5 bonus damage (mostly cause my current bow does more damage than both my pistol and rifle, even with mods on, which is pretty embarrassing) and use the stun baton on single walking zombies, due to it's 5 sec Immobility feature, which I enjoy a lot. If there's more than 1 zombie coming at me, then I switch to the pistol. When it comes to Bloodmoon though, then it's a different story.
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You had said your friend had a gun, so I assumed that at least they were using it and generating heat that led to the screamers. Even if you aren't using guns, you can still generate heat in a variety of ways. Doing things that change a container from filled to empty, such as looting shelves, will generate a lot of heat. If you leave those things until after completing the POI, it can help you avoid screamers spawning. Other things that generate heat can also be limited to help keep the heat down. Also, you can avoid doing multiple POI (especially big POI) that are close together as heat from one may carry over to the next if you're too close. The same idea if you have a base next to the POI.

Mainly what I'm saying is that if screamers are giving you trouble, you need to look at how to manage your heat generation and/or how to limit their ability to reach you in the POI or at least how to put yourself in a position that lets you deal with their horde without dying. Most screamers will die on spikes, so just having those next to any entrances to the POI can kill them before they can scream. It's not a guarantee, but it can work. We did a POI last night and had a screamer horde show up. I just killed the horde when they reached me. It wasn't really a big deal. But I've had a lot of experience with large numbers of zombies and can hold my own against them in most cases. What usually causes me trouble are the spider zombies and the crawler zombies, and to a lesser extent the dogs. They force me to attack downward, which messes up my attacks against every other zombie. With a spear and the penetration book, I can easily manage a lot of zombies, but when I have to focus on attacking something on the ground, it just throws everything off for me. That's usually when I have to consider relocating to a better place.
 
SabinSnake said:
True, i'll try the spikes. When it comes to the green zombies
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It's not a perfect solution, but it is the timing and pain mechanic. The spikes do not continuously
hit them, they have the check speed between a rifle, and a magnum in game. Placing 3 rows of
the spikes, leaving the last row uncovered, and basic blocks on the two rows closest to you.

Then three rows of wood blocks on the ground in front of them. It makes them slow enough for you to
escape regroup or choose your attack. It's not to game them, it's what I learned as I changed to playing
like I was in TWD chapter 1 season 1 with low grade armor and weapons.

The blue and orange, drink some coffee, and practice running through a maze of spikes and run rabbit run
climb rabbit climb. I could get OP weapons and stats, but this brings back the in your face, code brown
moments for me.

The key is using the spikes and blocks in different configurations, to slow the more powerful entities down
just enough to get over the fight or flight indecision shock.
 
Riamus said:
You had said your friend had a gun, so I assumed that at least they were using it and generating heat that led to the screamers. Even if you aren't using guns, you can still generate heat in a variety of ways. Doing things that change a container from filled to empty, such as looting shelves, will generate a lot of heat. If you leave those things until after completing the POI, it can help you avoid screamers spawning. Other things that generate heat can also be limited to help keep the heat down. Also, you can avoid doing multiple POI (especially big POI) that are close together as heat from one may carry over to the next if you're too close. The same idea if you have a base next to the POI.

Mainly what I'm saying is that if screamers are giving you trouble, you need to look at how to manage your heat generation and/or how to limit their ability to reach you in the POI or at least how to put yourself in a position that lets you deal with their horde without dying. Most screamers will die on spikes, so just having those next to any entrances to the POI can kill them before they can scream. It's not a guarantee, but it can work. We did a POI last night and had a screamer horde show up. I just killed the horde when they reached me. It wasn't really a big deal. But I've had a lot of experience with large numbers of zombies and can hold my own against them in most cases. What usually causes me trouble are the spider zombies and the crawler zombies, and to a lesser extent the dogs. They force me to attack downward, which messes up my attacks against every other zombie. With a spear and the penetration book, I can easily manage a lot of zombies, but when I have to focus on attacking something on the ground, it just throws everything off for me. That's usually when I have to consider relocating to a better place
Riamus said:
You had said your friend had a gun, so I assumed that at least they were using it and generating heat that led to the screamers. Even if you aren't using guns, you can still generate heat in a variety of ways. Doing things that change a container from filled to empty, such as looting shelves, will generate a lot of heat. If you leave those things until after completing the POI, it can help you avoid screamers spawning. Other things that generate heat can also be limited to help keep the heat down. Also, you can avoid doing multiple POI (especially big POI) that are close together as heat from one may carry over to the next if you're too close. The same idea if you have a base next to the POI.

Mainly what I'm saying is that if screamers are giving you trouble, you need to look at how to manage your heat generation and/or how to limit their ability to reach you in the POI or at least how to put yourself in a position that lets you deal with their horde without dying. Most screamers will die on spikes, so just having those next to any entrances to the POI can kill them before they can scream. It's not a guarantee, but it can work. We did a POI last night and had a screamer horde show up. I just killed the horde when they reached me. It wasn't really a big deal. But I've had a lot of experience with large numbers of zombies and can hold my own against them in most cases. What usually causes me trouble are the spider zombies and the crawler zombies, and to a lesser extent the dogs. They force me to attack downward, which messes up my attacks against every other zombie. With a spear and the penetration book, I can easily manage a lot of zombies, but when I have to focus on attacking something on the ground, it just throws everything off for me. That's usually when I have to consider relocating to a better place.
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Yeah, but that time with my friend was many months ago, before update 2.0, it was a different game then. He doesn't play the game anymore and the screamers are somewhat different now, they haven't spawned at any of my mission POI's yet since the day I made a new 2.0 server/world, although they spawned near my base and met my spikes at my wall around the base. But something tells me the next Bloodmoon will be different and more difficult, cause the last mission POI I had, had 1 green zombie in it, so i'm sure i'm gonna get many of em in the next upcoming Bloodmoon.
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