Console Telltale Update
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skillz_over_9000
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Why are we talking about PC version in the console thread? Nobody cares about PC they will continue to get updates as they always have. The problem is TFP is now trying to make it seem like they care about the consol players and that they always had our back when that isnt true. As for porting another game um no i would never buy another game with TFP branding on it. How a game can be sold 6 years later and still be considered incomplete is beyond me. DLC, quality of life updates are ok but this game is busted
Where did they ever say anything similar to "had your back"? I checked the official message at the start of this thread and console support is only mentioned 1) in that they couldn't get bankrupt Telltale to agree on a deal to transfer that support to them and 2) a promise to continue to get a deal to "to aid console players in the future". See the word "future" there? There never was a direct involvement of TFP in the console support as of now.
hugojheredia
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finally arrived April ... to see if we have any news.
skillz_over_9000
Banned
Right other than they designed the game, sold the rights and have their name all over the consol version. But ya other than that your totally right
SylenThunder
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Well, let's lay out some simple facts here.
How did this side-discussion start?
Someone asked why they don't just push out a sequel or another similar game.
Who created 7 Days to Die?
The Fun Pimps
Who ported the game to the console?
Iron Galaxy
Who sold the game on the console?
TellTale Games
Who killed the future of the console port?
TellTale Games
Who was putting together the next big update for the consoles?
Iron Galaxy
Why don't you have an update after a year?
TellTale Games
Who would be responsible for making a second game/sequel?
The Fun Pimps
Is the PC version of the game that The Fun Pimps developed finished?
No, it's still in Alpha development, but nearing the beta phase. Final release is currently expected to be in about a year.
Is the Console version of the game that TellTale published with Iron Galaxy developing finished?
Yes, it was sold as a completed version of Alpha 14.7. Any extra content added to the game is a bonus.
Would The Fun Pimps work on a second game before they are finished developing the first one?
No, because that would be dumb.
You on track now?
About the name all over the console version: Then if Sony does a Spiderman movie, Marvel is directly involved because their name is all over the movie? Even if it is, how has that anything to do with your assertion that " TFP is now trying to make it seem [...] that they always had our back when that isnt true"?
About designing the game itself: What about the word "direct" didn't you understand? And even if we construct a responsibility from that, this still doesn't explain what you mean by " TFP is now trying to make it seem [...] that they always had our back when that isnt true".
Freestyle604
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"Is the Console version of the game that TellTale published with Iron Galaxy developing finished?
Yes, it was sold as a completed version of Alpha 14.7. Any extra content added to the game is a bonus"
If this statement is true, then the console version is done. There would be no reason TFP would pay to get anything back as there would be ZERO ROI for a completed game. Why would they spend resources for an update to a "finished game"
Yes, it was sold as a completed version of Alpha 14.7. Any extra content added to the game is a bonus"
If this statement is true, then the console version is done. There would be no reason TFP would pay to get anything back as there would be ZERO ROI for a completed game. Why would they spend resources for an update to a "finished game"
PO_Man_3849
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Because if they continue to develop the game and update the console version closer to PC, it would generate more sales on the console.
I love this game it's basically all my wife and I play, I'm not giving up hope yet!
I love this game it's basically all my wife and I play, I'm not giving up hope yet!
Freestyle604
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You do realize that the PC can do far more then the current consoles could ever do right? I don't see them continuing to update the console like the PC do to hardware limitations. I would love for you to be right, but I doubt that any additional sales will happen to the console, even if they get us that last update that IG was actually working on. Given we have heard nothing from anyone since this thread. I love it too, and was just hoping to get one more update to make things run smoother. Additional content would be awesome, but according to a previous post the console version was "sold as a complete game". Those are not my words.
skillz_over_9000
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In your example yes Marvel was involved in the spiderman movie was that not obvious? If a company has no interest in supporting a product it would be pretty stupid for that company to stick their name on it along with TT and IG. So no TFP cannot decide they have no involvement after the fact they can't have it both ways
"About designing the game itself: What about the word "direct" didn't you understand? And even if we construct a responsibility from that, this still doesn't explain what you mean by " TFP is now trying to make it seem [...] that they always had our back when that isnt true"
Well again i thought this would be obvious but guess not. IG and TT did a port of the pc version in which the port was very obviously created based on the work of TFP. I seriously doubt that TFP allowed a port of their game to be made with 0 input at all. If they did they are either a lot dumber than i thought or they simply have no idea how to operate as a company. TFP having to have provided some form of input before obvious then are at least partially responsible for the consol versions. So again TFP now saying "we will do what we can for our consol players" is kinda empty. They did bare minimum for us before yet now we are supposed to trust them?
no one actually knows if they were working on anything at all. it's not like TT woke up one day and said uh oh, we're bankrupt they could have pulled funding long before they announced their troubles.
you can argue the game was sold as a completed game but that doesnt change the fact that the game was broke on launch, remained broken while it was being supported and will be broke forever.
Freestyle604
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"We wanted to give you an update on how things are progressing with the upgrade to Unity 2017. We are still on track and currently working on ensuring the menus are behaving as they should with the new upgrade."
This is from TTG before they went bankrupt, see the locked sticky thread before this thread. So we actually do know what they were working on for the upgrade.
If you read my posts correctly you will see I never said it was completed. I agree it was broke at launch and I was hopeful this last update was going to fix those few issues my friend and I still have when we play 7DTD. I am saying if it was sold as complete as others have said then I am banking on the console version never getting the update. I don't see how TFP can put money into a project that is doubtful to have ROI since most console users have already paid for 7DTD. Unless they charge for the update, and I don't see those who own 7DTD paying for a long overdue update. Of course I don't work for any of those involved so I am only going by what I have seen on these forums. The fact the PC side gets offers for t-shirts and contests for free copies of the game and zero mention on the console side speaks volumes too. I hope I am wrong, and would gladly eat crow if they did retain the game rights at it currently stands, and then spends time and effort to finish the patch. Once again from the lack of commenting from TFP I am pretty sure the writing is on the wall.
well that clears that up, they said they were doing it so it must be true.
i'm sure they were honest with all people they had contracts with, all their employees and everyone else that bought one of their games too....
it's just as likely they would say anything to hide the fact they were going out of business. they were trying to squeeze every last drop out of the public and any hint of trouble would stop that.
the notion that a business would put your happiness over their profit is folly. do you think Facebook and google are collecting every bit of data from you to help you in your shopping? they're not your friends.
Roland
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This was all pretty well explained in the past but seems to have become muddy so maybe I can help.
TFP is the original creator of 7 Days to Die. Their name is going to be on any version of it for that reason alone regardless of whether they have everything or nothing directly to do with those versions. If someone were to publish a novel based on the Navezgane universe they would have to obtain permission from TFP and then you can bet that TFP's logo would appear somewhere on either the front or back cover of the book despite the fact that nobody from TFP authored a single word of the book. Being an original creator merits mention irrespective of direct involvement down the line with other versions or derivative works.
In this case TFP did have quite a bit to do with the console development as it happens. They provided the source code to Iron Galaxy who ported it over to console. Iron Galaxy did a fair bit of bug squishing and optimizations which they would send back upstream to TFP to benefit the PC version as well. Programmers from TFP were assigned to work with Iron Galaxy and help out where needed. In the case of updates it was TFP that determined what post Alpha 14 features were ready and able to be ported over and once again TFP made their programmers available to Iron Galaxy to make sure the process was smooth and as bugs and glitches were found TFP could fix those in the source code and then provide a better code for Iron Galaxy to use.
Telltale paid Iron Galaxy to do the porting and updating. Telltale also had exclusive rights to distribute 7 Days to Die to the console market.
When Telltale went bankrupt Iron Galaxy was about 3/4 of the way done with the next major update which would have brought elements of Alpha 16 (I believe) to the console as well as hopefully firm up fixes and stability. With Telltale's demise the funding for IG dried up and the rights to distribute were tied up in bankruptcy proceedings.
Until TFP can obtain the rights to distribute the game to the console market there is nothing that can be done. Once TFP gets those rights then they can take over paying Iron Galaxy and the update will be able to be finished. Until things are finalized TFP obviously cannot talk about it publicly so updates chronicling the progress just are not possible.
The good news is that 7 Days to Die is a wonderful game to come back to after taking a long break. I hear this time after time from many different games and have experienced it myself. So take a break and play others games and when/if this whole mess gets solved and the console version gets updated you will see that returning to it even after a year or more is a great experience.
TFP is the original creator of 7 Days to Die. Their name is going to be on any version of it for that reason alone regardless of whether they have everything or nothing directly to do with those versions. If someone were to publish a novel based on the Navezgane universe they would have to obtain permission from TFP and then you can bet that TFP's logo would appear somewhere on either the front or back cover of the book despite the fact that nobody from TFP authored a single word of the book. Being an original creator merits mention irrespective of direct involvement down the line with other versions or derivative works.
In this case TFP did have quite a bit to do with the console development as it happens. They provided the source code to Iron Galaxy who ported it over to console. Iron Galaxy did a fair bit of bug squishing and optimizations which they would send back upstream to TFP to benefit the PC version as well. Programmers from TFP were assigned to work with Iron Galaxy and help out where needed. In the case of updates it was TFP that determined what post Alpha 14 features were ready and able to be ported over and once again TFP made their programmers available to Iron Galaxy to make sure the process was smooth and as bugs and glitches were found TFP could fix those in the source code and then provide a better code for Iron Galaxy to use.
Telltale paid Iron Galaxy to do the porting and updating. Telltale also had exclusive rights to distribute 7 Days to Die to the console market.
When Telltale went bankrupt Iron Galaxy was about 3/4 of the way done with the next major update which would have brought elements of Alpha 16 (I believe) to the console as well as hopefully firm up fixes and stability. With Telltale's demise the funding for IG dried up and the rights to distribute were tied up in bankruptcy proceedings.
Until TFP can obtain the rights to distribute the game to the console market there is nothing that can be done. Once TFP gets those rights then they can take over paying Iron Galaxy and the update will be able to be finished. Until things are finalized TFP obviously cannot talk about it publicly so updates chronicling the progress just are not possible.
The good news is that 7 Days to Die is a wonderful game to come back to after taking a long break. I hear this time after time from many different games and have experienced it myself. So take a break and play others games and when/if this whole mess gets solved and the console version gets updated you will see that returning to it even after a year or more is a great experience.
Jimmy the Tulip
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Thanks for the update and clarification, Roland. It's always helpful to come back to the forums and see a clear headed individual give solid information on these events. You're absolutely right about the game, too, in that my fiancee and I have recently come back to it, playing at ludicrously hard levels, and are having a blast.
I know legal wrangles can take an inordinate amount of time but I do look forward to hearing that TFP have re-secured their rights to 7DtD and that the update is then proceeding. Until then, thanks for sharing the information above.
I know legal wrangles can take an inordinate amount of time but I do look forward to hearing that TFP have re-secured their rights to 7DtD and that the update is then proceeding. Until then, thanks for sharing the information above.
So many words and you still haven't shown a single quote where "TFP is now trying to make it seem [...] that they always had our back". Irrespective of their responsibilities or their involvement, where do the give the impression they "had our back" in the past.
skillz_over_9000
Banned
Well apparently talking to you is like talking to a wall. If its not obvious that a company who was involved with the port of their game since day 1 in some fashion had an interest in consol players their is no point in talking to you. You like sytherin can make every excuses in the book for TFP but the fact is they were involved in some way or fashion. They now have both tried to distance them by claiming their hands are tied but also that they will support us if able. I feel the real issue is TFP just don't know how to operate as a company. They chose to put focus into PC and everyone else is left waiting for them to say literally anything about their plans. As a consol player i would not buy anything under their name again regardless if they had any form of involvement
Roland
Moderator
Let's put this to bed skillz. You are absolutely correct that TFP was involved with the port of their game since Day 1 and worked closely with Iron Galaxy. That being said Iron Galaxy are the experts in regards to Xbox and Playstation architecture and the console version is largely their baby. TFP just have no experience with programming for the xbox or playstation so their role was mostly supportive -- answering questions about intent and providing source code when required and making decisions on what could/should go into the console version. TFP is very interested and grateful for all their fans whether they play the game on PC or console. They think of their fans as fans of their game and not fans of a platform.
They are not now trying to distance themselves. In fact, the opposite, is true. They are fighting and struggling through legal processes to regain the console rights so that they can take over and continue. Their hands are literally tied by courts and legal proceedings and bureaucratic red tape. There are a lot of hoops to jump through and they are jumping-- but -- they can't talk about it publicly. The only announcement or progress update will be at the end of the process when they can (hopefully) announce they were successful.
Then you will most certainly miss out on future exciting gaming, my friend. I know what they have planned and if you are lucky enough to get it on console I doubt you will be able to resist.
sandman2838
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Roland, Thanks for the clarification of TFP's role in the development of the console version, and for confirming that their involvement in the development was more than merely plastering their name on the cases. That being said, I would pose two sets of questions that perhaps you could pass on to TFP.
1) If the MD5 problem is not related to the MD5 hash algorithm, then why is it called an MD5 rewrite? If it is an MD5 hash algorithm problem couldn't that be alleviated by using a different hash algorithm, ie sha256 or others less likely to experience a collision (assuming it is a collision that's causing the rewrite.) Or simply rewrite how the program responds to a collision, (ie instead of resetting to day one, roll back to last save.)
2) Understanding that this game had created a rather dedicated, almost cult-like following, finding solutions to the problems plaguing the game are far more important, and valuable to the players than adding content to an already broken system. Are they planning on addressing the connection problems and constant crashes that plague the multiplayer version on both platforms? It just seems that if the systems are already taxed and barely able to keep up, adding more content isn't exactly what we need.
Also, unless I missed it, TTG is not in bankruptcy, but in "Assignment for the Benefit of Creditors" a process started well before the company officially closed. Though akin to bankruptcy, it moves much faster, which is good. I am dealing with a company that went bankrupt in 2017 and am still waiting for the finalized judgement and the paultry pennies on the dollar settlement I might receive.
1) If the MD5 problem is not related to the MD5 hash algorithm, then why is it called an MD5 rewrite? If it is an MD5 hash algorithm problem couldn't that be alleviated by using a different hash algorithm, ie sha256 or others less likely to experience a collision (assuming it is a collision that's causing the rewrite.) Or simply rewrite how the program responds to a collision, (ie instead of resetting to day one, roll back to last save.)
2) Understanding that this game had created a rather dedicated, almost cult-like following, finding solutions to the problems plaguing the game are far more important, and valuable to the players than adding content to an already broken system. Are they planning on addressing the connection problems and constant crashes that plague the multiplayer version on both platforms? It just seems that if the systems are already taxed and barely able to keep up, adding more content isn't exactly what we need.
Also, unless I missed it, TTG is not in bankruptcy, but in "Assignment for the Benefit of Creditors" a process started well before the company officially closed. Though akin to bankruptcy, it moves much faster, which is good. I am dealing with a company that went bankrupt in 2017 and am still waiting for the finalized judgement and the paultry pennies on the dollar settlement I might receive.
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