Console Telltale Update
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SourPatchBreezy
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Telltale are some shady people, an exact example of what a company shouldn't be. The craziest thing to grasp is how a dying company that has no chance of making a comeback after it's legal issues with employees. Not to mention their reputation with the gaming community now. Is holding on to the belief that 7d2d could save them, when they abandoned console players long ago. Stating it was a finished final product. Mhm... Maybe its just me, but take stranded deep for example. I don't remember a game that was actually sold on console to be pulled day of release. I'm sure there has been with business practices these days but that's crazy to me. I REALLY hope the fun pimps can take control of this and show us console players some love. We sure need it, and personally have no ill will towards you guys n gals. Please just do what ya can, and if anything ....bring out a game just like it and change the name lol. Seriously though, if you have some info you could share from time to time to ease our minds that there's a future for us on console please keep us updated.
Freestyle604
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"The Fun Pimps immediately terminated its license agreement with Telltale, which only allowed publishing rights on the console ports of the 7 Days to Die game. The termination also severed Telltaleآ’s rights to any future updates or sequels of the 7 Days to Die franchise."
In re-reading the original statement from TFP. If the termination also severed TTG rights to any future updates or sequels then what exactly would TFP have to buy at the bankruptcy auction??? What value would be in a game that most people agree still has some issues and would require another update that in theory would not be possible with TFP issuing a new agreement.
Most of the legal stuff should be public knowledge. I agree with a previous post that console is likely dead, and no one want to just say it. I would love to be wrong or even have some acknowledgment that it is dead. Rip that band-aid off and then some of us an move on. Just ignore the flamers.
In re-reading the original statement from TFP. If the termination also severed TTG rights to any future updates or sequels then what exactly would TFP have to buy at the bankruptcy auction??? What value would be in a game that most people agree still has some issues and would require another update that in theory would not be possible with TFP issuing a new agreement.
Most of the legal stuff should be public knowledge. I agree with a previous post that console is likely dead, and no one want to just say it. I would love to be wrong or even have some acknowledgment that it is dead. Rip that band-aid off and then some of us an move on. Just ignore the flamers.
Ignoringmywife1
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Do you live in America? Because that's not how it works here.
Hatchet-HITMAN
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Can we get an update for once on this? Have you made any progress in getting the rights back from Telltale? Anything?
skillz_over_9000
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I wouldnt count on any update to be honest. The only time anything of value was posted here was when Claire was still an employee and even then it happened rarely. TFP have not given any consideration to consol players since day 1 so i doubt they will now
I would guess they need the rights to the sources of the console port. Otherwise they would have to start at zero with porting it. And THAT would be absolutely killing it as they would have to pour a sizable fraction of the porting costs into it again but without any hope of getting a similar fraction of the sales.
The info is out that there will be a bankruptcy auction for whatever rights Telltale still has in a few months. As usual in legal proceedings there is a date set and before that date everyone just sits around and waits. Courts are busy and each simple step takes weeks and months.
To my (limited) knowledge there is also no way for an out-of-court agreement once the bankruptcy court has taken over and set a date for an auction. So not even a miracle will produce new facts. There is a date. Period.
SylenThunder
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This was posted a while ago. Just putting it here again....
Even with that information you can probably bet that it's not likely going to be until at least May or June before there's any new news about it.
this. they've never really cared about us console players. it was A LONG TIME without an update BEFORE all this telltale stuff. that bug with massive chunks of the world resetting has been known and reported for literal years and they never bothered to even fix that.
they didn't care about us before. they care even less now.
they put 100% of their effort in to the PC version. the console version was just a quick cash grab.
i still play the game. microsoft said it was my most played game last year in their year in review thingy.
but the console version is dead. it was dead BEFORE telltale died. if they didn't care enough to fix a world ruining bug that a huge portion of players ran in to and reported for years...they aren't going to care enough to actually give us content updates.
maughanorama
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why is this thread not closed yet ?
hugojheredia
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Hope (?
SylenThunder
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Why should it be closed? That would basically shut down further discussion on this.
Do you really want the console version to be done?
Do you really want the console version to be done?
Freestyle604
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So if this thread gets closed the console version is done?
The only discussion happening is rumor talk. Until April when the TTG bankruptcy is over nothing is going to happen. Or at least everything I have read in this thread says that.
So I would agree to close the thread. If TFP are going to do something with the console then they will start a new thread.
At this point I don't see it going anywhere further, but hoping TFP would say otherwise.
I would be willing to bet it is dead, but I keep holding out slim hope we get that last update.
The only discussion happening is rumor talk. Until April when the TTG bankruptcy is over nothing is going to happen. Or at least everything I have read in this thread says that.
So I would agree to close the thread. If TFP are going to do something with the console then they will start a new thread.
At this point I don't see it going anywhere further, but hoping TFP would say otherwise.
I would be willing to bet it is dead, but I keep holding out slim hope we get that last update.
crazywildfire
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Yelp, same thing is constantly being said over and over and over again. Oh it is TFP fault on console because they care more about PC. This game is a finished game. You are wrong no you are wrong. The console is dead and been dead. I mean must I go on? Same stuff every post. It is obvious nobody reads through anything besides what they want to see and read. Ignore everything else and let's troll some to get people worked up. So really agree we already know the news of it. If not go read through 12 pages of the same talk. So not sure why it is still open and if closing a thread until more official information is released mean the console is dead then the game is definitely dead anyway.
maughanorama
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the console version is and has been dead for a very long time, do you really think TFP will do or will be able to do anything for consoles ? why do you think it got out sourced originally?
lets face it keeping this thread open is pointless. i wonder if theres a way to get the forum anylitics from google or maybe even the website provider. it would be interesting reading
Possible ways for a new console version:
1) TFP gets the rights for the source code and hire Iron Galaxy or some other developer with console knowledge to finish at least the supposedly nearly finished version
2) TFP gets the rights for the source code, hires 1-2 programmers with console knowledge and tries to do the same in-house, probably much slower.
It's not as if TFP would have to start from zero, much of the expertise of IG is in the source they nearly finished.
the thread is probably open because every few days a new console player looks into this forum for answers and after reading only the first post in this thread asks what the status is or complains about no news. If this thread is closed he would just make a new thread and maybe even complain that the developer tries to shut down discussion. So what would be gained by closing?
maughanorama
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and so the merry-go-round starts again
You asked questions. If you just wanted to do a rhetoric soap-box speech, more indication of that might be advisable.
If you don't like merry-go-rounds, why do you continue to post in this thread? <-- this is a real question, not rhetorical.
Freestyle604
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Ok, if we keep it open let's have a serious discussion then. This is what TFP said at the start of this thread.
"Upon hearing the news, The Fun Pimps immediately terminated its license agreement with Telltale, which only allowed publishing rights on the console ports of the 7 Days to Die game. The termination also severed Telltale’s rights to any future updates or sequels of the 7 Days to Die franchise."
So if they ended TTG rights to publish the console port and updates then what is left to purchase. I would assume potential buyers would be purchasing the console version in it's current state. If purchased that company would need to acquire rights from TFP to make updates for the console version. Right?? So logic would be only TFP would really want to purchase the asset of the game for console in it's current state. As any one else buying it couldn't do anything with it based upon what TFP said in the quoted statement above. If TFP did buy said asset then the next step would be to see what IG wants for compensation for the work they did on the latest update. Which means buying the console game in it's current state would cost money, and the update would cost more money. I don't know where said company would expect to then turn a profit on a game that has been out for a couple of years now. Seems to me that anyone who wants to pickup where TTG left off is going to be fighting an uphill battle.
I worked for a company that filed for bankruptcy and all of the info for our company was public record during the entire bankruptcy process. So it would be nice to hear from TFP so that we can have an adult conversation about what could and what actually might happen in the future.
Let's all be adults and try to have a civil conversation and see if we can have our discussion lead to TFP posting anything so we have a better idea of what is going on.
I know it might not be an idea some like, but I would be willing to support TFP if they did pickup the console version and finished the update. Even if it was considered DLC and I had to pay for it.
Curious to everyone elses thoughts.
"Upon hearing the news, The Fun Pimps immediately terminated its license agreement with Telltale, which only allowed publishing rights on the console ports of the 7 Days to Die game. The termination also severed Telltale’s rights to any future updates or sequels of the 7 Days to Die franchise."
So if they ended TTG rights to publish the console port and updates then what is left to purchase. I would assume potential buyers would be purchasing the console version in it's current state. If purchased that company would need to acquire rights from TFP to make updates for the console version. Right?? So logic would be only TFP would really want to purchase the asset of the game for console in it's current state. As any one else buying it couldn't do anything with it based upon what TFP said in the quoted statement above. If TFP did buy said asset then the next step would be to see what IG wants for compensation for the work they did on the latest update. Which means buying the console game in it's current state would cost money, and the update would cost more money. I don't know where said company would expect to then turn a profit on a game that has been out for a couple of years now. Seems to me that anyone who wants to pickup where TTG left off is going to be fighting an uphill battle.
I worked for a company that filed for bankruptcy and all of the info for our company was public record during the entire bankruptcy process. So it would be nice to hear from TFP so that we can have an adult conversation about what could and what actually might happen in the future.
Let's all be adults and try to have a civil conversation and see if we can have our discussion lead to TFP posting anything so we have a better idea of what is going on.
I know it might not be an idea some like, but I would be willing to support TFP if they did pickup the console version and finished the update. Even if it was considered DLC and I had to pay for it.
Curious to everyone elses thoughts.
You put the finger on a detail that escaped me completely. If we assume that a potential buyer other than TFP would need publishing rights to KEEP the old version in the stores it drops the value of the auctioned IP considerably. Because a potential buyer can't hope to profit from the long tail immediately. (See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_tail ). Especially since the PC version will still generate some news in media that long tale could still generate a sizable revenue over a long time that might generate interest, but that easy way for profit is closed off.
Therefore:
1) Without the long tail income the auction will be of interest to anyone else but TFP only for two reasons: To make a quick buck by blackmailing TFP to buy the rights from them for a slightly higher price or coerce TFP to enter a partnership with them, in this case hoping for the profit from the long tail. Both seem to me far-fetched but possible.
2) Because most likely there will be no other bidder though, TFP could get it reasonably cheap. Depending on the auction rules they might still have to guess what the minimum bid is (no clue if there might be one or not)
So winning the auction is probably not the big money sink, further development could be. Depending on the quality of the source now developing the nearly-finished version to release could be commercially viable with the long tail covering the costs. A further update to PC version 0.17, 0.18 or 1.0 on the other hand might be a substantial money sink without matching income.
TFP has a few reasons they might be willing to foot the bill:
1) Their name is on the line, console customers won't differentiate between telltale and TFP, especially after telltale is just distant history.
2) The long tail
3) They might feel an obligation to all customers of their "baby"
4) Generating good will makes even bussiness sense as it might drive PC sales if word-of-mouth is good. Word-of-mouth crosses platform boundaries because console players can have PC player friends
5) An addon/expansion on the console could actually generate profit in the future (but only after 1.0 on PC, I don't think console players in general would pay for alpha16 or any other alpha as a DLC)
I think your hope for more info from TFP about their plans is a lost hope: A lawyer in movies tells his client the second he comes into the room: "Don't talk. Let me do the talking". That sentence may be a cliche, but I'm sure their lawyer gave them a similar advice. Just saying, you are fighting an uphill battle.
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