Suggestions -- Just a Few Thoughts

Wow....a whole bunch in this thread just HAVE to chime in about how someone is parenting and every decision they make as a parent is wrong...

@OP, You could probably handle the changes yourself with a little bit of legwork since TFP won't even give it the slightest consideration.

Take a loot at your xml files....whichever one zombies would be in (entities?), search "stripper," find how the zombies are separated and just delete all the lines pertaining to stripper. You might be able to make it use a different zombie model, but removing them completely is probably easier. Additionally, (I'm not sure at all which xml this would be in...quests maybe?) you can find the trader entries and probably copy trader hugh's voice in place of trader rekt.

As always, you'll want to back up your xmls, detail what changes you made so you can copy them later (each update TFP makes may revert your changes), and test them on a different new game.

Trader Rekt's voice pisses me off too, and I find myself scrambling to turn down the game volume whenever i run into that trader because of my kids in the same room.

 
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So, i made the post...then came back and realized something upon rereading it....

This forum, which is ONLY for 7 days to die...censors bad language....which TFP then includes in their game with no options for SELF censorship...

How ironic is that?

Moderator note: In this case, there was more at issue than bad language. Insults lodged against other users, with or without swearing, are not allowed.

 
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It's not that ironic when you consider that here we are dealing with live people.

People who have a tendency to go overboard with everything and we really don't need posts that ♥♥♥♥ all over all other ♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥ opinions or ♥♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

 
It's not that ironic when you consider that here we are dealing with live people.People who have a tendency to go overboard with everything and we really don't need posts that ♥♥♥♥ all over all other ♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥ opinions or ♥♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.
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We don't need traders that do that either...

 
I think your world generation idea sounds pretty good, tbh.

As far as bad trader language - I believe Rekt is the only one with the filthy mouth. You can edit him out of the xmls and replace him with Joel or Bob, they're very friendly and nice.

And going through the xmls and using find-and-replace, you can turn strippers into nurses or Steve or whatever else you like. There was a bug with rad cops in A16 where they regenned faster than you could kill them, so we replaced them all with feral nurses. It's a pretty easy fix.

 
I don't see how there wouldn't be a single person in a zombie apocalypse who wouldn't want to hunt down and kill all the zombies. Many movies and series show them as unstoppable killing machines, but...

Sure, from a safety standpoint it is dangerous and may infect you with the Z virus, but on the other hand, you're limiting the amounts of "walking sources of infection". IRL there would be a lot of corpse burning to destroy the pathogens and limit spreading the virus, as well as building appropriate fortifications and bases.

Just for a moment imagine groups of people training to be faster and stronger than regular Zs (during daylight, but maybe to some extent at night, when they're stronger?), knowing how to dispatch most of them fast (not comparing to left 4 dead, those zombies are way too op) and knowing their weaknesses. I envision it in similar manner as in Bloodborne, where trained hunters seek beasts to kill, some more skilled than others. There could be other examples as demon hunters in Diablo or any other fantasy franchise where people hunt dangerous monsters.

I already can imagine a number of interesting weapons used for melee, but also ranged. So yeah, i think zombie hunters would be a real thing in a zombie apocalypse.

 
These are some really great ideas, I think what I would rather see more than "getting a head start" would be the ability to choose where you first spawn (such as biome, or nearby people on your friends list). Every first session my buddies and I play involves us spending the first night trying to all meet up, with ONE of us always starting in frigging Nevada, and has already made his own zombie casino, (complete with zombie cocktail waitresses and zombie bouncers) by the time we get out to where he is.

"2. Offer the option to choose one's own preferred landscape/world style. Prior to this latest update(s), I altered the files to generate nice zones near the center of map, with zones getting worse and worse toward the outer edges, with radiation all around. I restricted snow biomes to tops of mountains. I enjoyed that much more. Again, to each his own, but it would be nice to offer those who create the server more options in the start menu. "

The ability to choose ones preferred landscape would be amazing. I actually was one of the few people who loved having snow biomes to the North and deserts to the South, but your generation sounds even better. Can you pm me and share the set up you used to get the world generation you described, if love to add that into the dedicated server I built for my buddies and I.

These changes will likely be pretty far out of they ever come at all though... One of us will have to write a stable mod for it. Haha.

Has anyone written an editor yet that scans a folder filled with modified 7dtd xml files, compares them to the originals ( also stored elsewhere) and then writes an xml file in the games xml directory, with all of the changes it detected between the original files and the modified xml files either added or overwritten in the new xml?

Tools like that can be a bit messy, and need a good bit if maintenance, but I feel like it can be a pretty good time saver overall.

@Jaxteller718

OP'S comment was "mindnumbingly confusing?"

"I wont get into a morality debate with you because you will lose"

Did you seriously write that? Why don't you try getting down off that fabulous almighty edgelord high-horse (of +3, of course) you are perched on so you can get a closer perspective.

Considering the fact that mortality itself is dictated largely by public opinion and fluctuates wildly from time, culture and political climate, the fact that you think someone can "win" a debate on mortality shows just how little you actually know about the subject.

Seriously people, WTF is going on in this thread?

It's not like he's calling for the ban of all titties for everyone, he's asking for a very MINOR xml OPTION to be added to the game to save him time after updates, as well as for people who aren't comfortable with digging through and modifying game files

Some people don't wanna see titties, some people don't want to see violence, or hear what their culture has deemed as "bad language". Some people don't like cream with their coffee, or think films directed by Michael Bay are train wrecks (annnnnd some people don't...)

OPs views are no more invalid or "confusing" than anyone else's here. It's his frigging opinion. Acting like he's some how wrong is frankly pretty ethnocentric and forgive my bluntness, but comes across to me as a little self absorbed as well.

Anyways, sorry rant over. I've lived all over the world, and lived in many different cultures, and moving back to the US has probably made me a bit too pissy towards things like this.

 
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Actually, the way I play, my son and I go hunting during the day and hide from evade zombies typically, so I see nothing wrong what I'm doing. I'd just like you to consider giving people the option to limit that content specifically. Laugh all you want, at least I'm doing something with my kids.
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As much as I'm for family-gaming and everything, and I respect filtering content for the kids, but you're missing something. The game is rated M, which means the intended audience is 17+ -- one step below Adult Only. It's not as simple as programming "if the user picks PG version remove cusswords and boobs" -- not sure how long it would take the devs to add functionality for that -- but it would likely be a few hours. A few hours for something that some 1 out of every 10,000 parents playing the game with their kid in a rated M game wants to make the game more kid-friendly. Time is money, time is also time that could have been used for optimizations, features, bug fixes, etc. That's why the game has modding options -- for stuff that only a handful of people want, things like this. Saying they need to do it because saying "just mod it" is a bad thing is a bit... wrong. If your kid is that young, play Minecraft or another PG- PG13 rated game with him and save 7d2d for yourself. Or, when he's older then play with him.

 
That's a pretty good point jugginator, outside of the ridiculous merit of "what is morally correct" in a frigging video game. This is actually a valid point.

Normally I'm totally on board with this line of thinking too. If it's something only a small part of the community wants, they can get bent and get together and make it themselves but in this case it's really just a matter of modifying a single xml file then adding one more extra option to the gui.

My programming skills are pretty novice at best, but even I could whip something like that up in the span of several minutes.

This is likely going to fall on the modding community to make and manage though, as something like this really is not a very big priority, and even though it only takes a few minutes, how do they choose which of the smaller communities little changes? Why prioritize one particular small change over another? If they start prioritizing lots of small changes that only take a few minutes, that can start to add up really fast, and many of those small changes could end up getting written over in the long run anyways.

Maybe I'll take some time out to write a mod for this. I got a buddy that doesn't like violence, so I modded out exploding heads and limb dismemberment. I could just talk tack this project into the end of the one that I am already making for him.

I don't really get why that is any better than the violence from the stabbing or shooting, but it makes him happy so to each their own I guess, haha.

If I can figure out how to mod out the language I'll throw it together as an option to run all three as well. Maybe I can use Hek Harris' unicorn for that third options mod image just to be ironic, haha.

 
Yeah. I mean, I personally don't understand why someone would want to play a bloody, gory adult game about killing zombies and then complain about the violence, but that's just me. Well, don't forget to remove cussing you'll have to edit a lot of text in the skill trees, journals (I think) and some of the quests (I think). Some of the in-world signs and such prob have cussing, but I don't get offended by anything at all, ever, so things like that don't jump out at me. But yeah, making an option to change a lot in the game, professionally, and make it seemless would be silly to ask them to do themselves -- that's where one would mod the game to tailor it to their liking. Plus, just disabling Rekt's voice seems "cheap and lazy". So, they're supposed to pay the voice actor to do "PG" lines in a "M" rated game because 1 out of 10-30 thousand people want a PG version of a M rated game? Kinda selfish and silly lol.

 
To simplify from what i can read:

- OP: Wants have configurable options for various parts of the game to be able to turn them off or on becuase some of the content is to graphics or obscene for children.

- Response: Its a M rated game you should expect to see explicit content in this game which are not exclusive to one another eg, Porn vs Gore and it is not intended for children under a specific age. Asking a developer to change the game lower the rating of a game is not a reasonble request.

 
To simplify from what i can read:
- OP: Wants have configurable options for various parts of the game to be able to turn them off or on becuase some of the content is to graphics or obscene for children.

- Response: Its a M rated game you should expect to see explicit content in this game which are not exclusive to one another eg, Porn vs Gore and it is not intended for children under a specific age. Asking a developer to change the game lower the rating of a game is not a reasonble request.
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You hit the nail on the head pretty much. Still, the OP was merely asking for an option and did it respectfully. Why anyone would take a confrontational tone in response is beyond me.

 
@Jugginator

"Yeah. I mean, I personally don't understand why someone would want to play a bloody, gory adult game about killing zombies and then complain about the violence, but that's just me. "

Eh, I guess he's ok with the kinds violence he's seen in video games since he was a kid (shooting or chopping a variety of generic NPCs that fall over and disappear when dead) but he feels that decapitation and dismemberment crosses his threshold of comfort. Skyrim made him uncomfortable from time to time as well, so he modded it to make it less violent also.

I kind of understand why he'd want to play 7dtd despite the discomfort it causes him. Mature content aside 7dtd is a highly entertaining game that he's been playing since single digits alpha (before any of these features had been added. I probably couldn't have got him into playing the game with me in it's current state, but at this point he is already invested) and there's lots of cool features and experienced that when combined together in 7dtd can't be found anywhere else. At least not as a fully fleshed out multiplayer experience.

If there were another game out there just like 7dtd that was as enjoyable and more "pg" I'd have recommended it to him age's ago, and probably played it with him instead(sorry guys, I'm loyal to a game to a degree, but I'm here for the social gaming experience with a life long group of buddies I play with)

For that reason I'd love for TFP to add the option to disable some of the stupidly easy stuff to change ( stuff that just requires a modification to a single line in a single xml file such as zombie strippers and dismemberment. Both of those can be changed in seconds of you know where to look) to give a comfort option to a larger range of players ( even Fallout 4 has the ability to disable blood and gore if you know where to look. Skyrim too. It's not widely advertised, so pretty much only those that are uncomfortable would likely go looking for it.)

Changing obscene language is on a completely other level though.

On a whim I wanted to modify a large number of the quests in 7dtd, and quickly got frustrated and quit.

@jugginator

"Well, don't forget to remove cussing you'll have to edit a lot of text in the skill trees, journals (I think) and some of the quests (I think). Some of the in-world signs and such prob have cussing, but I don't get offended by anything at all, ever, so things like that don't jump out at me"

Yeah, no way I'm going to tackle something like that unless I am getting paid, haha. Just no.

I had thought about swapping out the audio files for Rekt with audio files spoken in a random obscure language. (Like Tolkiens dwarven language obscure. Haha) but there's no way I'd want to go through all of the text files, or modifying existing audio files and I wouldn't expect TFP to do anything like that either.

So my vote would be, sure if they could make a toggle to remove strippers and dismemberments, I'd be fine with that. It might actually be a good idea, because it would seriously only take a few minutes, and would make a small portion of the community more comfortable and very happy. I feel the pay off would be worth more than the effort required in this one sure isolated instance.

Anything more than that, I think would be a pretty terrible idea. Developer time is better spent elsewhere.

 
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I think this would be a fairly easy fix: At the beginning of the game, you choose "only friendly traders," "only unfriendly traders," or "a mix of friendly and unfriendly traders." Do the same for the naked strippers and voila, you have a solution.

Accordingly, the Fun Pimps (TFP) simply can't implement every single idea that we have. There just wouldn't be enough time. I have an idea of my own I would like to see implemented in the game, but it would be a lot of work and I'm not sure TFP would be able to code everything (I'm not a Coder so I don't know). I would like to add scuba diving and underwear looting to the game? I posted this idea with the following title (so you can search for it): Devs: Would you consider adding Scuba Diving Gear to the game in A18?

The devs are pretty responsive to the community, as they are demonstrating by changing the official Alpha 17 release into what the community as a whole wants. I'm hoping to get enough positive responses for this idea to move it forward. I would appreciate your support (and your friend's support if you play with others). Thanks!

 
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