PC Steel unlocks too late / in the wrong order

[madmole]

Why does everyone have this mentality that they need to craft everything? Steel can be harvested and purchased and found in loot. Level 70 isn't a grind, I made it to level 50 with the gimped harvest xp by day 18. Thats less than 18 hours of real time. There needs to be wants and needs, and there needs to be stages. Why is it a rush to get to end game in 2 hours? Anyhow we are most likely adding an XP slider so those who disagree with the default pace of the game can speed it up, or slow it down. We're looking at level gates too.

We're making vehicle recipes ungated too, so anyone can build a vehicle, but it takes the perks to craft the parts. This will allow looters with low to moderate int to build a vehicle.

To me its fun finding what I need. I don't like sitting in a bunker and making everything from 5 mats like in Rust. Needs give you purpose.

 

[Morloc]

You also don't seem to understand how perk points work. If you do not spend a perk to unlock these items when they are available, and you spend it on something else. NEWS FLASH! You still need it! So no there is no choice to be made.

You must work quite hard to come up with nonsense like that (really, I salute you).

-Morloc

 

[Morloc]

Steel can be harvested and purchased and found in loot.

It wouldn't be such a bad idea to have one or two additional (rare) sources for harvesting steel.

-Morloc

 

[CoolJ]

Why do you need 50 steel for a shotgun? (Sorry I'm legit asking, I do not use shotguns ever)

I need to be able to make a shotgun so I can put mods on it. The orange one I have right now is not doing enough damage to be able to live through these stupid trap houses they send you to on quests. I end up just having to leave. No, I will not just YOLO in and die. Stealth doesn't work because the enemies are on a volume trigger hidden in the friggen rafters. Because that makes sense.

There is a large difference between what those perks do, and what they aim to achieve, you're trying to compare a dichotomy of perks. It just doesn't work that way.

Those are necessary to help survival, the other is a luxury, if you get lucky you can spend perk points accordingly.

False. There is no difference and they are not necessary. The only difference is in your opinion they are required. They are not. I assure you the game can be played without them. So it absolutely does work that way.

 

[RipClaw]

It wouldn't be such a bad idea to have one or two additional (rare) sources for harvesting steel.

-Morloc

Where can you harvest steel ? I know that ammunition boxes gives you sometimes steel and I believe it is a jack in the backyard of a gas station that gives you steel. Are there other sources where you can harvest steel from ?

 

[WolfyBlah]

Why does everyone have this mentality that they need to craft everything? Steel can be harvested and purchased and found in loot. Level 70 isn't a grind, I made it to level 50 with the gimped harvest xp by day 18. Thats less than 18 hours of real time. There needs to be wants and needs, and there needs to be stages. Why is it a rush to get to end game in 2 hours? Anyhow we are most likely adding an XP slider so those who disagree with the default pace of the game can speed it up, or slow it down. We're looking at level gates too.
We're making vehicle recipes ungated too, so anyone can build a vehicle, but it takes the perks to craft the parts. This will allow looters with low to moderate int to build a vehicle.

To me its fun finding what I need. I don't like sitting in a bunker and making everything from 5 mats like in Rust. Needs give you purpose.

Because some of us actually enjoy being able to craft things in this crafting game.

You said yourself you were level 50 on day 18

Assuming default day length thats 18 IRL hours and you havent unlocked steel yet. Thats one hell of a grind.

20 hours of farming XP to unlock somthing is excessive for people who play for normal ammounts of time.

Just because you enjoy looting instead of crafting what you need dont force that on everyone else.

Why is it a rush to get to 'endgame'? Because ALL the early game is is the endgame with ♥♥♥♥ tools/weapons/skills. Thats not fun.

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You know whats comical? That parting shot about rust... you are the ones who dumbed down resources and crafting and copied the harvest system from rust.

 

[CoolJ]

You must work quite hard to come up with nonsense like that (really, I salute you).

-Morloc

Hey keep going mate. You realize being crass and patronizing is not a rebuttal.

 

[OnlyMeiya]

I need to be able to make a shotgun so I can put mods on it. The orange one I have right now is not doing enough damage to be able to live through these stupid trap houses they send you to on quests. I end up just having to leave. No, I will not just YOLO in and die. Stealth doesn't work because the enemies are on a volume trigger hidden in the friggen rafters. Because that makes sense.


False. There is no difference and they are not necessary. The only difference is in your opinion they are required. They are not. I assure you the game can be played without them. So it absolutely does work that way.

You do realize quality does not affect damage anymore right? (Just the amount of mods you can place on it) Your damage is affected by perception/gun perks and mods placed on the weapon itself.

Almost any mod will increase damage, handling, durability even a DYE affects your damage. you do not need to craft one.

I'm killing zeds with 1-2 Iron arrow and a compound bow that has been modded enough to cause 51 damage per shot, thats 1 more damage than a standard sniper rifle, thats VERY powerful that my iron arrows rival a sniper in damage.

Arrows are very cheap and easy to produce as well, shotgun shells and other ammo are expensive to craft.

However I do agree with you that the "HAH! GOTCHA!" moments are very excessive in nature since its practically every poi this is done in, I wish they would tone that down.

 

[dregonazure]

Why does everyone have this mentality that they need to craft everything? Steel can be harvested and purchased and found in loot. Level 70 isn't a grind, I made it to level 50 with the gimped harvest xp by day 18. Thats less than 18 hours of real time. There needs to be wants and needs, and there needs to be stages. Why is it a rush to get to end game in 2 hours? Anyhow we are most likely adding an XP slider so those who disagree with the default pace of the game can speed it up, or slow it down. We're looking at level gates too.
We're making vehicle recipes ungated too, so anyone can build a vehicle, but it takes the perks to craft the parts. This will allow looters with low to moderate int to build a vehicle.

To me its fun finding what I need. I don't like sitting in a bunker and making everything from 5 mats like in Rust. Needs give you purpose.

whats wrong with the mentality of wanting to eventually be able to craft everything? its not like the game ends once you can craft everything you want.

as an extra note, i also think rust does this great, unlocking the recipes in that game can feel very tense when you're trying to bring a rare resource back to your base to learn and you could lose it at any second if another player gets the jump on you. at which point you can then craft the item as much as you want/have the resources for and then use it against others.

 

[CoolJ]

Why does everyone have this mentality that they need to craft everything? Steel can be harvested and purchased and found in loot. Level 70 isn't a grind, I made it to level 50 with the gimped harvest xp by day 18. Thats less than 18 hours of real time. There needs to be wants and needs, and there needs to be stages. Why is it a rush to get to end game in 2 hours? Anyhow we are most likely adding an XP slider so those who disagree with the default pace of the game can speed it up, or slow it down. We're looking at level gates too.
We're making vehicle recipes ungated too, so anyone can build a vehicle, but it takes the perks to craft the parts. This will allow looters with low to moderate int to build a vehicle.

To me its fun finding what I need. I don't like sitting in a bunker and making everything from 5 mats like in Rust. Needs give you purpose.

LOL I am level 59 and I am on day 25. So more than 25 hours in. Listen to yourself. You literally just said that making steel isn't important to you so you don't understand why it is important to other people. In that vein then, I demand every single perk in the game not take effect until level 70.

I was clearly not your original intention for steel to be gated so high. You knee jerked and made a change based on a multiplayer game and didn't account for all the down stream changes that would be required to support it. Then you realized your error and changed a few recipes, but still didn't fix the problem. Which is why there are so many recipes that require steel before you can make it. Instead of admitting that you made a mistake. You would rather just marginalize other play styles with the intent of also marginalizing your error. As if we care that you made a mistake. We care that you seem to be uninterested in fixing it.

 

[dregonazure]

the purpose in rust is to build up your base/fight other players and raid their bases. its all focused around pvp so you cant play rust like you would 7 days to die, learning recipes and gathering/crafting is progression there while raiding/pvp is the end goal

 

[CoolJ]

You do realize quality does not affect damage anymore right? (Just the amount of mods you can place on it) Your damage is affected by perception/gun perks and mods placed on the weapon itself.
Almost any mod will increase damage, handling, durability even a DYE affects your damage. you do not need to craft one..

OMG Sherlock. Just how many mods do you expect to be able to put on an orange shotgun? Of course I understand this. I have tested a flawless shotgun with full mods. There is something like a 70-100 damage increase depending on if you are using slugs or not. Believe it or not, buckshot is actually better than slugs for close range. Slugs are better to stack with sneak damage.

Once again. The reason I want it is not on trial. It doesn't matter in the slightest. The fact is I unlocked it ages ago and I expect to be able to use it.

EDIT: I just noticed that what you quoted literally has my answer in the first sentence. I said I need a better shotgun so I can put my mods on it and increase damage. Then you go on to explain a mechanic that I clearly already understand as if I didn't understand it.

I don't think it can get any more clear. You don't like steel because flawless master pimps don't like steel.

"Steel baaadddd! Steel not required for Flawless pimp play style. No one need steel. No one need thing me no like.-R.I.P. Phil Hartman

 

[Morloc]

Once again. The reason I want it is not on trial. It doesn't matter in the slightest. The fact is I unlocked it ages ago and I expect to be able to use it.

-Morloc

 

[Ghostlight]

Why is it a rush to get to end game in 2 hours?

Why is Steel considered end game?

Level 300 is endgame. Right?

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To me its fun finding what I need..

Then why do you let us have every item in the game through perks, thereby removing the need to loot at all? A17 removed the fun of finding what you need. On day 30 I have everything. Top tier, full of mods with mods to spare. The game gave me everything. I have looted precisely half a town to achieve that.,

 

[OnlyMeiya]

OMG Sherlock. Just how many mods do you expect to be able to put on an orange shotgun? Of course I understand this. I have tested a flawless shotgun with full mods. There is something like a 70-100 damage increase depending on if you are using slugs or not. Believe it or not, buckshot is actually better than slugs for close range. Slugs are better to stack with sneak damage.
Once again. The reason I want it is not on trial. It doesn't matter in the slightest. The fact is I unlocked it ages ago and I expect to be able to use it.

EDIT: I just noticed that what you quoted literally has my answer in the first sentence. I said I need a better shotgun so I can put my mods on it and increase damage. Then you go on to explain a mechanic that I clearly already understand as if I didn't understand it.

I don't think it can get any more clear. You don't like steel because flawless master pimps don't like steel.

"Steel baaadddd! Steel not required for Flawless pimp play style. No one need steel. No one need thing me no like.-R.I.P. Phil Hartman

You can only put 1 mod on an orange weapon I think. Do you have to limit your viability to only the shotgun? I love my SMG/AK but ammo is too precious to waste on anything but horde night so I try to conserve if I can, only using the automatic weapon as a quick-switch to save my ass in a pinch or a zed gets a drop-stun on me.

I love steel, but it isn't a game changer for me since I've played long enough to know how to work around not having it immediately , you do realize previously you had to be like level 60 or 80 to unlock steel in 16.4 right? It was gated then, why are you complaining now?

Its getting difficult to have a conversation with you because you won't listen to anything anyone else tells you and when we try and give you other options or view points you won't look at anyone else's but your own, that's what we call cognitive dissidence, and you're quick to respond in a condescending manner.

 

[Ghostlight]

You do realize quality does not affect damage anymore right? (Just the amount of mods you can place on it) …….Almost any mod will increase damage

So....therefore....quality affects damage.

I'm killing zeds with 1-2 Iron arrow and a compound bow that has been modded enough to cause 51 damage per shot.

Then you are playing on an easy level. On warlord, Steel arrows in a compound bow with 4 mods, and player specced for Archery / headshots and it takes 2 headshots for me to kill a grunt zombie.

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I love steel, but it isn't a game changer for me since I've played long enough to know how to work around not having it immediately , you do realize previously you had to be like level 60 or 80 to unlock steel in 16.4 right? It was gated then, why are you complaining now?

Because you unlock a ton of stuff that needs Steel before you can craft Steel itself. As per thread title.

 

[Royal Deluxe]

18 IRL hours and you havent unlocked steel yet. Thats one hell of a grind.

In SCUM you have after 18 hours Survival (what means crafting) arround 3/5 - 4/5

5 need 10 times so many XP as 4

Running need arround 3 real months of running if i remember right

So i think 7D2D is fair at that topic

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Why is Steel considered end game?
Level 300 is endgame. Right?

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Then why do you let us have every item in the game through perks, thereby removing the need to loot at all? A17 removed the fun of finding what you need. On day 30 I have everything. Top tier, full of mods with mods to spare. The game gave me everything. I have looted precisely half a town to achieve that.,

i would say more lvl 120 is endgame . all these 180 level after that is ... "have anything to do"

 

[Ghostlight]

i would say more lvl 120 is endgame . all these 180 level after that is ... "have anything to do"

At level 120, the highest your gamestage could be is 240 (on normal). End game is 600 as far as I understand it (level 300 and 300 or more days since last death). So you need to hit level 300 before the zombies hit full strength.

Steel is EARLY game for me, as it was in A16. Once you get it, you can start really bumping up that gamestage to see if your base can handle it.

 

[CoolJ]

-Morloc

Funny pick mate. I have a very rational sense of being able to use the perks I spent a point unlocking. Now you are just attacking me with ad hominem because you have no where else left to go. At least when I do it, it's because it's funny and true.

The term "Entitlement", as you use it here, refers to people unwilling to complete the objectives required to obtain said reward. That is not the case here. The objectives are defined and subsequently completed. I was totally willing to complete them to obtain my reward. Only I wasn't rewarded.

This is what happens when you come to the defense of the indefensible. The more you try, the dumber you look. Feel free to continue.

 

[OnlyMeiya]

So....therefore....quality affects damage.


Then you are playing on an easy level. On warlord, Steel arrows in a compound bow with 4 mods, and player specced for Archery / headshots and it takes 2 headshots for me to kill a grunt zombie.

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Because you unlock a ton of stuff that needs Steel before you can craft Steel itself. As per thread title.

Quality does not directly affect damage, the extra quality is useless if you do not have mods for it, or have the ability to craft the mods and place them on the weapon. You need other perks for that also. Should we cry about those too?

I am playing on default difficulty, not easy. Don't assume it makes you look foolish.

Archery only affects reload/aim time, it does not affect damage.

Again, and I'm getting very tired of reiterating myself. I'll highlight it so it sticks.

Most of the steel items you unlock prior to unlocking steel itself are luxury items, you don't need them but they're nice if you're lucky to farm/find or trader the few bars you need for it.