PC Stamina is a @%$*#!, BUT ...

Theodryck said:
There's balance, and then there's an anchor around your neck.  Alpha 19 is more like the latter.  It's just so damned grindy and boring at times.  I don't mind the new loot tables (although finding stone age tools made in modern times before the apocalypse is a stretch) I love the new zombie AI and the fact that conga lines are a thing again.  But the stamina/food thing is ruining this entire Alpha.  I know there are people who will defend anything the pimps do with their last dying breath, but when you're level 50 and a level 4 iron pick axe is significantly better than a comparable level steel pick axe (say level 3-5) then something is seriously off.  And until that is fixed, these types of threads will keep popping up over and over...as they should.
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It's not the stone age tools that upset me, it's that the stone age tools are often BETTER than iron tools. That is what is driving me insane. 

 
Ghostlight said:
constantly out of stamina mining with a level 1 Iron pickaxe
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that makes sense... you have a pick with a loose head that keeps skewing and not striking whatever you are trying to hit square..

and if you are having trouble breathing, take more breaks, more time between swings, step outside and take the mask off...

 
It is a pain, but I think it is ok.

My friend and myself have just tunnelled a 3-wide, 5 high tunnel about 130m long through a "ridge" that we keep having to go over between our base and the trader so that we can have a smooth ride there.  We worked for one in-game day (120 minutes), starting with Level 4 iron picks and ending with level 5 when we managed to make those. 

We drank a lot of black-strap coffee, and still ran out of stamina.... but it was in fact OK.  I actually feel more proudof it because we had to work for it and it was difficult and took commitment!

Oh, and about half way through I found out my friend can make ergonomic grips.  So THAT's why he had it easier than I did! Ha ha ha ha!

 
When I'm mining, I keep 1 stack of red tea/mineral water, 1 stack of coffee and 1 stack of beer. Regular drinks and coffee keeps boosted stamina regen on and when you run out of stamina, drink beer to instantly get full stamina. 

 
The sex rex perk is now viable.  In 18 I rarely took a single point even being a sledge main because stamina was easy to manage in other ways.  Now the perk is very high on my list of key perks.

I hated the stamina change at first but it grew on me because it has made assigning perks a challenge.  Many more of them are very viable now.

 
I go for 3 in mining/motherload/sexrex asap.  Then other stats.

Then 4 in mining/motherload.  4 is sexrex I wait until I have q5 steel tools.

Then max mining/motherload.

A modded Q5 steel pick is a great melee weapon when you learn to time it right. A head popper.

(mods: ergo/bunkerbust/ironbreaker)

Steel axe does more damage, but if you miss and hit a wood block.. byebye block. Notso with the pick.

Axe for the sneak powerattack decapitations though.   :D

With the coffee buff and ergo, my stam doesn't run out at all when mining.

(I don't use coffee when chopping trees, I just walk between them is all)

Biggest thing though, is make sure you get the ergonomic grip asap for the mining tools.

Oh, and remember, you CAN swap it between the tools.

:)

 
Exactly.  I see a lot of one-sided complaints which can be summarised as "The game is too difficult"

But being an outdoorsman for real, managing your energy is a real thing.  I don't care that the way it works doesn't match reality, it is a game with zeds after all.  But it makes you think about your "stamina"!

 
Tahaan said:
We drank a lot of black-strap coffee, and still ran out of stamina.... but it was in fact OK.  I actually feel more proudof it because we had to work for it and it was difficult and took commitment!

Oh, and about half way through I found out my friend can make ergonomic grips.  So THAT's why he had it easier than I did! Ha ha ha ha!
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Joking aside, I think this is great. I'm happy to see someone post these thoughts.
Some things should be some kind of struggle. At times, maybe you even hate it. But when it's done, you feel good about it. It's almost like most things in life.

 
12pack said:
that makes sense... you have a pick with a loose head that keeps skewing and not striking whatever you are trying to hit square..

and if you are having trouble breathing, take more breaks, more time between swings, step outside and take the mask off...
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Level 4...out of stamina...pick gives...out of stamina...same...out of stamina...result

This new stamina burn rate is just another of the many little things that make this the most boring alpha I've ever played.

"No fun allowed!" - TFP

 
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Ghostlight said:
Level 4...out of stamina...pick gives...out of stamina...same...out of stamina...result

This new stamina burn rate is just another of the many little things that make this the most boring alpha I've ever played.

"No fun allowed!" - TFP
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so if you can never run out of stamina using tools what's the point of the auger or chainsaw?  you do realize that stamina needs to be an issue with these tools to make the motorized one viable right?  like what survival game has stamina not been an issue? yeah this alpha has a lot of issues but stamina isn't that big a deal. 

 
^ the problem is people get used to the easy mode stamina that was in previous alphas and then proper balancing makes it feel like a punishment.  

I don't think anyone starting out fresh and never having played previous versions would be aggravated by the new pacing stamina brings.  Unfortunately, there really is no way around this during alpha.

 
Ghostlight said:
Just to be clear, the increased food usage when mining is fine. I'm used to that. It is the fact that I have to stop swinging every minute and wait 30 seconds for Stamina to regain that is the issue.
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I did testing in a build before they reduced stamina slightly using the iron pick. Under no buffs besides coffee with lvl 3 sex T. you can mine for 1:07:17 before running out of stamina and it's just a brief moment before you can mine again. With coffee and beer, you can mine infinitely. Add food, tea, ergonomic grip, etc., and you can go way further. In fact, I believe you can infinitely mine with lvl 3, under coffee buff and with an ergo grip. It's a balance to trim the hoard of food/drinks that nobody ever used previously because it was more of a "roleplay" thing than actually needed.

 
Lvl 3 Sexrex with ergo grip, coffee/food buff, yes, pretty much non-stop (even lvl 2 does real well)

Steel tools want lvl 4 and the consumables.  Which is just fine.

Oh, this is with no points in faster melee. Start upping that and your results may vary.

(gee, swing faster, thus more often, use more stamina.  hrmmm...   Who let Capt Obvious in here!!)  😛

I rarely used coffee before. Now I do for the night time mining sessions. I'll go through a whole stack.

(3 min for the cheap coffee.  can't make the good stuff yet, and need points in iron tummy for it to last longer)

Stamina while running has always been a pain, but hey, padded armor, jacket and HP running shoes and you can go a long long time.

Crush for the Benny Hill effect. (which is hilarious on a horde night)  :D

So, if yer doing it right, you won't run out of stamina while mining.  It be that smiple.

:D

 
I thought the stamina drain was a bit much, but I've found that after adding a bigger backpack and bigger stacks mod, I'm suffering a lot less. I think my issue was that I was always overburdened with all my loot and having to run back to base after looting each house.  All that running back and forth, made my character seem like it had emphysema. Now I can loot a few before I go back to base, so less running around required.  Mods for the win.

I still wouldn't bother mining/digging for treasure without coffee though. That would be torture.

 
I don't have that problem. Maybe I don't mine as much as you guys in early game--mostly just the through the night stuff. But I almost never have stamina or wait-to-refill moments with a stone axe. I do tend to always keep my food and water bars maxed.

 
If you invest heavy in Strength then you are generally okay for most stamina uses.

Of course, this means points not spent in anything else.

Seems Strength is heavily favored as a stat.

 
Gideon said:
If you invest heavy in Strength then you are generally okay for most stamina uses.

Of course, this means points not spent in anything else.

Seems Strength is heavily favored as a stat.
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only if you do a lot of mining.

SP you probably will.

MP  maybe not.  Other fellow in my one game, isn't going mining, he took the farm stuff.  I took mining and cookery.

 
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