psssst!!!.... this just for Gazz!Tell that to my base. I have 200 HP and a full set of armor. When I wanted to check the function of a trip wire I unfortunately had to find out that I had not unlocked the ammunition in the dart traps.
Yes none in the forums has ever abused this system... Yet, everyone I've played online with and everyone I've introduced the game to, was abusing it, more or less, with or without realizing it. And it makes sense because it was much more efficient to not care about wellness. You had a free teleport, a free status reset and 130 min health/stamina was barely hindering. It is not a matter of being a "bad" or "good" player, there just wasn't any point to it.
This is not an advantage. In a game enforced resting periods are not a feature.
If they were on a pvp enabled server, its more they were forced to abuse it, as they prob got repeadly ganked from clip range by snipers. I've never been a fan of pvp in full loot games like 7dtd, just takes away from the rest of the game. Same with when npc bandits come in, first thing i'll prob do is disable them in the xml's. I've played a few mods with bandits it is not fun, when your killed in 3 shots when in full steel armor by any human npc with a gun, usually you die before you can even find whats shooting at you. They need to be balanced properly by giving them poor guns, and crap accuarcy, and far FAR lower damage on their version of the guns. Then again, when in 7dtd wolves/bears seem to hit harder than just about anything, so yeah I don't have much faith in bandits being balanced properly at all.
I feel like I'm losing my mind sometimes in here. It's like the Twilight Zone sometimes. Like we play different games or something. How was wellness hard to raise at any point in the game? If anything, it was ridiculously easy... to the point where it didn't even matter if the system existed or not. You may as well have just handed out the max. Now, in this sense, it was bad.
Sorry, when I said "micro breaks" I was referring to the waiting you'd have to do for the regular stamina bar to fill up. At least in A17.1, this was something I had to do quite a bit when mining early game. There were quite a few fourm users that were vocal about hating it, calling it "tedious".
Funny story, World of Warcraft tried something similar. where you'd get an xp penalty the more consecutive hours you played, and players absolutely hated it. They complained and complained, and finally WoW replaced it. They replaced it with a system that was EXACTLY the same mechanically, except instead of calling it an xp penalty for consecutive hours played, it was labeled as an xp bonus for not playing the game too much in one sitting, and people stopped complaining. Anyway, what this means is maybe it's better to think about it as a "well-rested stamina bonus" instead of a "enforced rest period".
It would be really fantastic if those who like complain about Alpha 17 features could actually reference the current version of Alpha 17. It is so disingenuous to criticize features of Alpha 17 by referencing how things were in 17.0 or 17.1. We aren't playing those versions any longer and in particular in the case of stamina, huge concessions and backward bending for you folks were made in 17.2. I'm of a mind that the OP was probably referencing 17.0 instead of 17.2 in her comments....
I was referencing the OP's claim that you can't even chop down a single tree without having to rest like in other games that supposedly do stamina better. She's wrong. You can chop down many trees without needing to rest on Day 1 without any perks purchased or any mods or better tools than the most basic one. You can also mine all three phases of a surface boulder without needing rest. I did try the stone shovel and you can destroy an entire block without needing to rest. The stamina drains faster for sure with digging but digging isn't as critical of an early game action as chopping and mining. By time you need to be digging for clay or gravel you will have been able to spend points in sexrex.
Yes, that is what sexrex is for and also what your brain is for to choose the correct tool for the stage of the game you are in. If you are lucky enough to find or buy a steel axe on Day 1 then you should expect to have to rest. Traditional RPGs would not even let you equip a tool or weapon beyond your ability to use it or outside your character class. This game gives you the choice to equip anything and leaves the choice to keep it equipped up to your own wisdom. Would you rather the game just lock access to stuff until you are ready to use it?
Here is what was requested by the frothing at the mouth players in the wake of A17.0:
It is. This usually happens because there are many different options that change gameplay a lot. It's also probably because 7D's gameplay is so inconsistent. For example, some could be eating infinite high quality foods while being holed up and completely safe until they maxed it, others may be risking and dying regularly in a high difficulty setting.
Yeah, I can see that. For me, when playing harder difficulties, it was the obvious strategy to put just a little focus on it right away. I suppose I could have not done that, but then to me I would just be forcing challenge through poor decisions.
Most people I've played with in A16, no matter the difficulty, chose to ignore basic needs altogether, killing themselves when any debuff became annoying. Other than dying faster when getting hit (which was of almost no consequence if they were close to the spawn), ignoring everything didn't hinder them in any other aspect. They did ruin their own gameplay experience and got bored of the game eventually though, but can't blame them.
I can, especially because I suspect them also for lobbying to reduce the death penalty in A17.
Roland, with all due respect, I think you are reading what you think I am saying rather than what I am actually saying. Please quote me where I claimed that you can't chop down a tree without resting. You will find I did not say that. I mentioned that other games give you a modest (but enough to chop a few trees down) stamina pool, and then I went on to talk about how the stamina pool is not affected by anything other than actively using it. When I go on to talk about 7 Days, I complain about the fact that it is unnecessarily tied to food and drink, and how health is tied to bandages even when you aren't bleeding.
In my humble opinion, this is a failure on the devs part to understand the core gripe which is that food and drink shouldn't be tied to stamina, but because it is tied to stamina, food and drink should at least not start damaging the stamina pool straight away (at 99% satiated or hydrated). Adding another 50 wasn't the obvious way to solve the problem. The obvious way would have been to lower the point at which the damage starts, for example when you only have 25% left of your food / drink.
+1 from me
It does, and also showing this with a nice UI element (in a UI that includes hunger/thirst which are imo needed) would be even better.
Don't know what to tell you. Never once in over 2000 hrs of playing have i ever hit max wellness except the time I creative mode'd in vitamins. It took a LOT of vitamins. More than I'd ever find playing.
