PC So this is where roland said to go to gripe about a17 and the early release...

Are you under the impression that busy streamers are giving away their own access to other people? Or are you saying that the free keys that they were given to share are somehow granting access to 17?
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The streamers given early access are allowed to let their friends play as long as these people dont stream independently.

 
As .Markus said earlier, the exclusivity is the honey that makes streamers stream the event. It doesn't make the game more desirable for their viewers. BUT some of their viewers will now see 7d2d for the first time and they might just like what they see.
In short: exclusivity is to get the streamers, the streams are to get new players.
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I'd argue that active players on Steam and login notifications on the Steam network, combined with the twitch stream event on a Friday night can get more numbers on Twitch alone. Definitely not worth for the current Twitch numbers that "exclusivity" brings.

A new player that sees 7DTD on Twitch is also likely to check the game on Steam and see the "online count" (which would be much more impressive if A17 had come out). A new player who sees his friend log in 7DTD on Steam is also likely to visit Twitch to check the game out. And so on. The timing (Monday) also means that many people with jobs will get to play the game in a week's time, instead of three days time.

Even ignoring anyone who takes it personally that A17 is only streamer-exclusive for the weekend (they should not, but it's a fact and not surprising that many do - if anyone was surprised they might need to "wise-up" a bit), this whole thing seems kind of counter-productive to me. No wonder you don't see this exclusivity tactic in other games - at least I haven't, but I am no Twitch expert.

 
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I'd argue that active players on Steam and login notifications on the Steam network, combined with the twitch stream event on a Friday night can get more numbers on Twitch alone. Definitely not worth for the current Twitch numbers that "exclusivity" brings.
A new player that sees 7DTD on Twitch is also likely to check the game on Steam and see the "online count" (which would be much more impressive if A17 had come out). A new player who sees his friend log in 7DTD on Steam is also likely to visit Twitch to check the game out. And so on. The timing (Monday) also means that many people with jobs will get to play the game in a week's time, instead of three days time.

Even ignoring anyone who takes it personally that A17 is only streamer-exclusive for the weekend (they should not, but it's a fact and not surprising that many do - if anyone was surprised they might need to "wise-up" a bit), this whole thing seems kind of counter-productive to me. No wonder you don't see this exclusivity tactic in other games - at least I haven't, but I am no Twitch expert.
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When the news about the new map sizes broke there was an argument from one of the devs or Roland (don`t remember). He said the reason we will get smaller maps was because the time it took to generate the larger maps. The argument was that kids these day don`t have the attention span for waiting a long time (in this case 2 hours) to play the game. But suddendly with the stream event these kids by magic have the attenion span to wait for 2-3 days

 
The streamers given early access are allowed to let their friends play as long as these people dont stream independently.
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I was not aware of that and i wish a swift death to those who signed up to stream but then never did.

 
thanks for breaking it down for me, ya'll. I still don't agree with it, buit hey, it's all gravy. 1 More day

 
thanks for breaking it down for me, ya'll. I still don't agree with it, buit hey, it's all gravy. 1 More day
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With shorter cycles between alphas we might not have a stream event before the game goes gold.

The bigger news is Madmole talking about a sequel in Pokkets stream. Let the hype train begin!!!

 
IEven ignoring anyone who takes it personally that A17 is only streamer-exclusive for the weekend (they should not, but it's a fact and not surprising that many do - if anyone was surprised they might need to "wise-up" a bit), this whole thing seems kind of counter-productive to me. No wonder you don't see this exclusivity tactic in other games - at least I haven't, but I am no Twitch expert.
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Well, it worked once in A16. You might not have heard of another game making exactly this stunt, but exclusivity as a marketing tool to end users is done by all AAA games in one form or another and why should streamers be exempt from that lure?

Now maybe the timing isn't good, and also there is the effect of diminishing returns when you do the same marketing event again and again. I'm sure they will evaluate the event and try something else if this type of marketing doesn't work anymore.

 
Watching you going through xml files, commenting on them, comming up with ideas to what you can do with it for mods, would be much more enjoyable than many of the other streams. Did you record it? link?
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No I did not. I got access through a streamer to take part in their stream. As such, I'm not allowed to record or stream it.

I probably will be once it's out for everyone though. :)

Sure, a modder would like the game as well as any other player sooner than later, but it isn't anything special for you, especially not the part about others having no access, just you. Exclusive access is not the holy grail for modders (I'd assume).
What if you had the choice between 3 days exclusive access and an extra mod feature in the game?
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All modders getting access the same time as the streamers would actually help a LOT.

I've tested out quite a few theories and been bouncing ideas to another guy who also had access to see what works and what doesn't from a modding standpoint. It would help ALL of us learn the new systems and port our projects over that little bit quicker. :)

Also, realistically TFP isn't going to add an extra mod feature to the game in the 3 days of Experimental Early Access just because modders didn't get access. There's more streamers in the stream team than there are modders from what I've seen, soooo...

 
Ok, let me ask you this question mega, if you could, would you rather have a bunch of streamers who knew nothing about the game playing the game, or people who knew about the game playing the game? Currently if you look through the list of streamers who were picked for the stream early release, there was no requirement of any time played on 7 days to die, solely 5k followers. I could give a rats behind about the early release, I'm enjoying Fallout 76, and will probably be a while before I go back to this game. It's about the misinformation, misleading statements, and pure dismissive attitude they have about the existing player base.
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You seem like you're arguing for the sake of being contrary. Your point makes no sense. Why would a streamer with 5k subs and who's never played 7dtd bother signing up? Many of the streamers are 7dtd streamers.

 
You seem like you're arguing for the sake of being contrary. Your point makes no sense. Why would a streamer with 5k subs and who's never played 7dtd bother signing up? Many of the streamers are 7dtd streamers.
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There are streamers now with less then 10 people watching. Please justify why those streamers should get early access to experimental. I have asked this question many times in this thread, and no one has a answer

If they had paid a streamer with 10k+ audience regulary, the marketing aspect would be alot better. Streamers with less than 10 viewers has 0 marketing value

 
When the news about the new map sizes broke there was an argument from one of the devs or Roland (don`t remember). He said the reason we will get smaller maps was because the time it took to generate the larger maps. The argument was that kids these day don`t have the attention span for waiting a long time (in this case 2 hours) to play the game. But suddendly with the stream event these kids by magic have the attenion span to wait for 2-3 days
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Is that really why MM said the map sizes are smaller?

Kids are too impatient?

Hahahaha okay well then I don't mind Modding that right away.

There are advantages to being an OG.

 
Decue ! Degouter des développeurs !

Bonsoir à tous,

Alors je tiens à faire part de mon avis ( Partager par beaucoup de monde ) depuis vendredi des "Streameur" on droit de jouer à l'alpha 17, au départ il y avait 3 français, ce que je vois maintenant sait qu'eux ont donné l'astuce ou la cle ou je ne sais pas quoi, mais du coup tous les amis, familles, ...( et je sais en plus qu'il donne aux gens qui font des dons assez conséquents en leur demandant de ne pas jouer en ligne !) y joue et NOUS ? oui on doit attendre lundi, ... POURQUOI ? pour des streameur avec 20 VU ! qui sait à peine de quoi y parle, qui sont hypocrites et qui ne répondent qu'aux personnes qui sont abonne à leur chaine !

Cher Monsieur les développeurs, ça n'est pas la bonne façon de faire ! vous avez juste réussi à perdre pas mal de joueurs qui du coup on décide d'acheter un autre jeu étant très déçu du comportement des devs! moi et mes amis allons faire de même !

Vraiment déçu !

Good evening to all,

Then I am anxious to announce my opinion(notice) ("Streameur" one straight ahead Share by a lot of people) since Friday to play the alpha 17, at first there was 3 French, what I see now knows that they gave the trick(cleverness) or the key or I do not know what, but of the blow all the friends, the families, (and I know in more that he(it) gives to people who make rather consequent gifts(donations) by asking them not to play on-line!) plays it and WE? Yes we have to wait on Monday... WHY? For streameur with 20 SEEN! Which(who) knows hardly about what speak there, which(who) are hypocritical and who answer only the people who are subscribe to their chain(channel)!

Dear Sir developers, that is not the right way to make! You just managed to lose quite a lot of players who of the blow we decide to buy another game(set,play) being very disappointed by the behavior of devs! I and my friends are going to do the same!

Really disappointed!

 
Is that really why MM said the map sizes are smaller?Kids are too impatient?

Hahahaha okay well then I don't mind Modding that right away.

There are advantages to being an OG.
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They are trying to fix it so we can make bigger maps, but not quite as large as rwg was in alpha 16. The largest option now is 16x16km but it is currently disabled because it dosen`t run good (or something, not quite sure the reason). the alpha 16 had 314 squarekm and the 16x16 will have 256 squarekm, so it is not that bad. It also seems like the density of poi is much better, but i haven`t seen any big town yet in streams. And that is what i am looking for when choosing maps.

Navazgane has grown from 4x4km too 6x6km so thats cool

 
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But all this hopefully dosen`t matter since they might not do stream events for a while. If they manage to get down to 3 months cycles between each content pack going forward, there probably is not a point in doing a stream event, because there is not enough content. Personally i like the longer cycles because it feels like a new game each alpha. I am not going to start a new game just because they have made water better in the next alpha.
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Yeah, i agree, if the plan of smaller updates in a shorter span, there really is no reason to have a stream event. Big updates like A17 with a big overhaul makes sense (at least to me).

Also, yeah, there are some streamers who could do a better job but there are plenty of them that really show the new struggle that we'll be facing.

 
Bonsoir à tous,
Alors je tiens à faire part de mon avis ( Partager par beaucoup de monde ) depuis vendredi des "Streameur" on droit de jouer à l'alpha 17, au départ il y avait 3 français, ce que je vois maintenant sait qu'eux ont donné l'astuce ou la cle ou je ne sais pas quoi, mais du coup tous les amis, familles, ...( et je sais en plus qu'il donne aux gens qui font des dons assez conséquents en leur demandant de ne pas jouer en ligne !) y joue et NOUS ? oui on doit attendre lundi, ... POURQUOI ? pour des streameur avec 20 VU ! qui sait à peine de quoi y parle, qui sont hypocrites et qui ne répondent qu'aux personnes qui sont abonne à leur chaine !

Cher Monsieur les développeurs, ça n'est pas la bonne façon de faire ! vous avez juste réussi à perdre pas mal de joueurs qui du coup on décide d'acheter un autre jeu étant très déçu du comportement des devs! moi et mes amis allons faire de même !

Vraiment déçu !

Good evening to all,

Then I am anxious to announce my opinion(notice) ("Streameur" one straight ahead Share by a lot of people) since Friday to play the alpha 17, at first there was 3 French, what I see now knows that they gave the trick(cleverness) or the key or I do not know what, but of the blow all the friends, the families, (and I know in more that he(it) gives to people who make rather consequent gifts(donations) by asking them not to play on-line!) plays it and WE? Yes we have to wait on Monday... WHY? For streameur with 20 SEEN! Which(who) knows hardly about what speak there, which(who) are hypocritical and who answer only the people who are subscribe to their chain(channel)!

Dear Sir developers, that is not the right way to make! You just managed to lose quite a lot of players who of the blow we decide to buy another game(set,play) being very disappointed by the behavior of devs! I and my friends are going to do the same!

Really disappointed!
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Sadly, once we have bought a game we are no longer considered customers. Many of the game developers, and specifically the larger companies sees people that have already bought the game as trash (again i am aiming more at activision, ea, ubisoft than TFF here). The only thing that matters is new customers, sales. I don`t think 7dtd will loose many players because alpha 17 looks so good, but i don`t think they will get many sales from the stream event either. They will get a increase in sales because that always happens when a game has a big update + the game is on sale now, and will most likely have a steam sale next week. The problem is TFP will contribute the increase in sales to the stream event and not the natural flow of: Big game update-more interest-more sales

According to Steam spy the twitch numbers from least weekend was at the highest 4592 and this weekends highest was 7235. So the stream event has not been very successfull

 
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All modders getting access the same time as the streamers would actually help a LOT.

I've tested out quite a few theories and been bouncing ideas to another guy who also had access to see what works and what doesn't from a modding standpoint. It would help ALL of us learn the new systems and port our projects over that little bit quicker. :)
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Yes, it would speed up mod rewriting by ... 3 days. Exactly the same 3 days it would speed up players experiencing the new game.

Do you want to claim that you are waiting more anxiously for A17 than jacuba for example?

Do you also have a reason to want players NOT having the game yet, just the modders? Because we are not talking about 3 days per se, we are talking about exclusivity, getting access while other don't. Like a journalist who wants that exclusive story?

Also, realistically TFP isn't going to add an extra mod feature to the game in the 3 days of Experimental Early Access just because modders didn't get access. There's more streamers in the stream team than there are modders from what I've seen, soooo...
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It was a hypothetical comparison to show what modders desire. I was not claiming that removing this marketing stunt would make features appear.

 
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What time will it be released for everyone?

Surely they will put it at the last hour of Monday.

Absurd marketing and without logic.

 
"Rick has called for an 11:30 am meeting (CST) so they can assess what else they need to fix (They’ve been fixing stuff all weekend as they’ve noticed things). Then they’ll create a release candidate, test it to make sure it doesn’t crash. They’re shooting for a late afternoon release."

I would guess that will be between 20-26 hours from now, if i got the timezones right

 
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