Rethink Triggers for Zombie Spawns
- Thread starter Riamus
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Riamus
Hunter
You're lucky, then.
It doesn't happen often but when it does, it is really frustrating. You can be standing on the yellow dot and not be able to do anything about it because they won't spawn no matter what you do.
Laz Man
Fun Pimps Staff
You're lucky, then.
It doesn't happen often but when it does, it is really frustrating. You can be standing on the yellow dot and not be able to do anything about it because they won't spawn no matter what you do.
There's a fix in the latest experimental to hopefully prevents that from happening now.
Riamus
Hunter
Thanks to both of you, though this only fixes one part of the problem - a trigger being destroyed. That's a good thing! But it does not fix triggers that fail, triggers that the player doesn't go through, etc. The world is fully destroyable and players aren't required to go through the intended path of a POI. They should not be penalized by not being able to figure out how to trigger a zombie spawn to complete a quest just because they don't go where you intended.
Lokeus
Refugee
Hm, i don`t think you`re right. When you don`t trigger any scripts from the makers you can kill hordes with stealth without any problems. I play difficulty 7/8 and when i am in downtown with my medium bow on T5 in stealth on any roof i can shoot an insane amount of zeds without getting harmed in any way
But yes, this isn`t too unrealistic indeed according to many zombie films and stories. Therefore i would wish the zombies in 7d would work a bit different. I played with ferral sense once, it`s fun but so intense that you aren`t doing anything else but killing zombies all the time and stealth gets completely worthless. If there would be a bar to adjust the ferral sense intensity, this would be great
The_Great_Sephiroth
Refugee
I agree with the adjuster. I would like them to have improved detection at night. Assume their dead eyes see better in the dark (less light blinding them?) and maybe they can hear better. This would make nights much more dangerous again.
As for stealth, I don't know what beta you're playing but I have been in max stealth (5/5 from the shadows) and had zeds on the other side of a big house hear me, wake up, and start trashing the place before I can even get to whatever leads to the area those zeds are in. Currently, I find it buggy in that sense.
Take for example the Shamway Foods in the northeast part of the desert, just before you enter the burnt forest. I was in the back, full stealth, using my axe to destroy the various things on the floor that make noise before I get to them. I had cleared everything outside, verified that the zeds up at the sealed front entrance were asleep, made a wide circle, and gone in the back door. Killed the one in that back area and was moving behind the freezers to the office. Suddenly I hear things being damaged. I cannot see anything anywhere. I circle back to the front and the sleepers had somehow heard me in the back of the building from the opposite corner and were tearing their way into the store towards that back office. It has happened twice out of the half-dozen or so times I went there. Other times stealth works and I can kill MOST without waking them.
Then again, it's an alpha. I just go with the flow for now.
As for stealth, I don't know what beta you're playing but I have been in max stealth (5/5 from the shadows) and had zeds on the other side of a big house hear me, wake up, and start trashing the place before I can even get to whatever leads to the area those zeds are in. Currently, I find it buggy in that sense.
Take for example the Shamway Foods in the northeast part of the desert, just before you enter the burnt forest. I was in the back, full stealth, using my axe to destroy the various things on the floor that make noise before I get to them. I had cleared everything outside, verified that the zeds up at the sealed front entrance were asleep, made a wide circle, and gone in the back door. Killed the one in that back area and was moving behind the freezers to the office. Suddenly I hear things being damaged. I cannot see anything anywhere. I circle back to the front and the sleepers had somehow heard me in the back of the building from the opposite corner and were tearing their way into the store towards that back office. It has happened twice out of the half-dozen or so times I went there. Other times stealth works and I can kill MOST without waking them.
Then again, it's an alpha. I just go with the flow for now.
Riamus
Hunter
That may be another issue than stealth. Last night, I started a tier 4 quest (not stealthing) and as soon as I stepped forward from the activation point, the entire POI lit up like a Christmas tree. Red dots everywhere. Some of those were still sleeping but most were active. I'm pretty sure that isn't intended.
The_Great_Sephiroth
Refugee
Red dots? You have a map that shows them?
hiemfire
Refugee
Should be showing up on your compass during quests with a "clear area" requirement when in proximity to enemies that count towards the quest req if you've not modded that out. Was added in A19 or 20 iirc.
SoulzBaen
Refugee
My biggest issue with triggers is stealth. I've purposely stayed away from POI's that have "trigger" rooms and the like as they completely render any stealth build useless. Even if you have max skills, T6 Padded, magazines, all the stealth bells and whistles, these triggers set off "alerted" zeds every time...making such a build useless. And I've been finding more triggers lately. I'm not a GunzBlazin! type of player(Only ever really have a gun for horde night, rest of the time it's knives and X-Bows,) but more and more it would seem the POI/Level design is trying to force that style of play. Not a fan.
Riamus
Hunter
As hiemfire said, these show on your compass for any activated enemies that are part of a clear quest.
AH64_Jimbo
Refugee
This is a good caution for POI designers. I have used triggers to spawn zombies, but nearly anytime I do, I mark the sleeper volume as "Quest Exclude". That way even if those zombies are never triggered, a quest can still be completed.Riamus said:
As an aside I am nearly done updating my airport mod for Alpha 21; Prefabs are done, but I have to figure out how to put it on a map since some of my map editing tools are broken like MapToolz.