Well said. And the server selection is more buggy than it's ever been in A20. Trying to connect alone is a nightmare. It's like the game has reverted to pre-alpha in every aspect except solo play.
PC (Rant) This game has never been as anti-multiplayer as it is now.
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pApA^LeGBa
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That´s it. From now on i will screenshot every information given by the team, q&a and the moderators, here and on steam. I am 100% sure that somewhere in the old forum one of you guys said that it was made possible to PvP due to an oversight and was kept due to popular demand.
I remember this particular fact exactly, due to something very remarkable that happened in RL right after reading that and talking about it on teamspeak. Don´t bother to ask, what happened has no place here.
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JCrook1028
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Did you even read the post I responded to? Your post is totally off topic to mine, 100%. Don't quote to me if you want to address someone else's issue please.
Oh hum, I did
. But you make a good case for it being because of steam winter sale. Get out the pitchforks guys 
On the forum I can see dozens of guys waiting for a new alpha and patches and new versions. But when TFP finally does that (after a full year of waiting) the next batch of guys comes around and complains it is rushed! Sorry guys, TFP can't please everyone.
Roland
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Uh…yeah. It was Mega who said that if it was a cash grab by TFP they would have switched the game to the main branch before the sale and you let him know that the sale did in fact start the day after. Then I quoted you and posted what I did about what the stable branch actually is.
I went back and read and am not sure why you can’t make the connection between our three posts or even why you are even upset that quoted you. I even stated that I didn’t think you were making the mistake I was posting about.
<shrug>
Oh wow, handwaving about solutions and saying they are minor effort. How about listing them so we can talk about facts instead of all that mud flinging
I know about the old problem of seeing behind the world and devs having tried to fix some cases but always a new way coming up in old alphas. It doesn't look like a minor problem with easy fixes.
There is one suggestion here about not sending updates to everyone from far away places. That seems like an interesting approach, but I'm not sure it is a minor effort and details are missing. It might work to make a bug report with this as a way to optimize the game or try to get it before the eyes of the relevant developer. Only someone with inside knowledge of the code base can really answer if this is an optimization without compromising something.
Another suggestion about not sending player locations to other clients logfiles seems obviously a good thing and relatively easy to do. Did anyone make a bug report without talking about 20 person PvP servers?
Roland
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Sorry. PvP is easier to type than 50+ person servers- especially when I am certain that most if not all large population servers are going to be about more than everyone cooperating together against the environment. But it was an assumption, true.
Keeping the conversation focused purely on player population no matter what type of gameplay those 50 people are going to engage in, then it merely becomes a matter of priorities.
If the server code works well enough for 8 players or less to play and test the game and game breaking problems only occur once people start pushing past what is supported then working on that code is not going to be a priority.
They’ll probably get to it and stabilize servers further and might even extend the supported player count. But it isn’t a priority right now since it meets their stated needs even if it doesn’t meet your stated desires to have 50 people on a server together all at the same time doing whatever activity 50 people do all together.
Weell, it started as a discussion about PvP (and servers with more than 8 players specifically) with the initial OP. Not a bad post at all. But it set the topic and you can't fault anyone for answering to the topic of the thread.
mr.devolver
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I don't have the exact numbers, but I feel like multiplayer was never the bigger part in my time spent in the game. I think the game has and always had so many multiplayer issues (mostly hackers) that complaining about not being able to play on servers with 50+ different players sounds really silly. After having negative experience in public multiplayer, I simply gave up on it entirely and started playing either solo or in small groups of people I trust.
No, it didn't start out as a PvP discussion. The OP clearly states that while he runs a PvP server, it affects PvE as well. You will find that MORE people want larger population PvE servers than they do PvP servers anyway. There used to be queus to get in the larger multiplayer servers but that's been worn away over the last couple of alphas. And it doesn't have to be 50 people. 40 can be good. Heck 30 can be good.
It's better for you to say this is about "PvP" and "50+" because it makes it easier for you to attack the validity of what's being said. In reality this is about server stability for a reasonable number of players to have a community on the server. That and us trying to see if we can get our message to the devs that this is something the community wants. I would seriously doubt that any moderator would relay that information to them based on the clear bias towards the MP community, especially since the argument is being consistently interpreted as "we want a 100 person Fortnite clone".
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Roland
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You’re way off base. I had already directed the devs to your other thread asking for dev feedback since mere moderators weren’t enough before you typed this particular conspiracy theory….lol
Im not against 50+ servers or PvP. People should play the game as they like within the limitations it has. I have no problem with the devs “finding out” about your desires and feedback…lol
PvP was mentioned mulitiple times, it was part of an argument about balance of weapons, it follows it is part of the discussion and nobody can fault people arguing about it. Generally it is about large server populations, sure.
Furthermore I'd say most of the arguments here were not about PvP but about exceeding the 8 player limit, no matter if it is 20 or 50 or the 100 you now bring up. Will it be 200 next time?
Did you see where I said even 30 or 40 could be good? Doesn't look like it. The "100" was a nod to the continued escalation where in some posts PvP doesn't even get mentioned and gets conflated to thinking people want a "Battle Royale" or "Fortnite" experience.
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Roland
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This is a self-described rant thread. Devs do much better with questions and detailed information including crash logs etc.
If you were truly serious about this you would be going about it in that way instead of spending your time calling them either uninformed due to my supposed interference, incompetent, or dishonest. You’re taking every worst case scenario as the facts which is per normal for a rant piece but not particularly helpful or conducive to being taken seriously.
If you were truly serious about this you would be going about it in that way instead of spending your time calling them either uninformed due to my supposed interference, incompetent, or dishonest. You’re taking every worst case scenario as the facts which is per normal for a rant piece but not particularly helpful or conducive to being taken seriously.
DiegoLBC1
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Electronic Arts: a big company, lots of financial resources. But NFS Heat (released 2019) only supports 16 players at a room.
A large millionaire company, with so much know-how, without a totally modifiable world (only races on prefab map). Shouldn't it be able to support more?
Why charge this in 7d2d on Alpha?
A large millionaire company, with so much know-how, without a totally modifiable world (only races on prefab map). Shouldn't it be able to support more?
Why charge this in 7d2d on Alpha?
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JCrook1028
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But you're no mere moderator...you're SUPER MODERATOR!
EA is trying to figure out ways to get you to hand them money without even making a playable game. I wish this were a joke or sarcasm even, but last year that actually came out of an executive meeting there.
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I’m at a loss here because I don’t admin a large dedicated server. Still, I know that there are many many things those admins must do to keep things running smoothly. I could talk about them at length but I prefer the experts to do so instead.
I will provide an example though. Almost every large server needs to run an auto reboot script, due to memory leaks I suppose. Why is this a third party mod?
This is really the point. It seems that nobody at TFP has gone to ask one of these experts what should be included by default for large servers, because even the most basic and requisite mods must be figured out by themselves
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Boidster
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Oh, actually it was the other thread that some of my comments were directed at, I got my threads mixed up.
Anyway....
Is this still current? Planning on playing with some friends over the holidays.
https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/7_Days_to_Die_Dedicated_Server
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