PC Randomized stats and different tiers

Sjustus548

Sjustus548

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I like the idea of having random stats. It makes it worth it to keep crafting/looking for gear even when you find Q6 stuff. The problem I'm having is very bad luck when it comes to armor. I'm going with a heavy armor build currently. I'm wearing between Q3 and Q4 Iron Armor and can't find anything better. I crafted a set of Q5 Iron Armor and it was all worse. I'm finding Steel Armor while looting and from the trader but it is still worse. I understand why the different levels of Iron Armor would be better or worse but I would think that steel armor would automatically be better. Doesn't seem like much of a reason to get steel armor over iron armor if it will be the same armor rating. I could be mistaken and maybe I'm just having a bad set of armors to compare. Is anyone else having the same or better luck than I am currently?

 
you found top "grade" iron armor, one without rust and defects (meaning it rolled its stats probably close to, if not at maximum)

I RP that some armor has holes, or has worn out straps that could break

Q3 Iron Chest with 13 armor vs a Q5 Iron chest with 10? The Q5 has a hole in it, or was misshapen when it took a blow making it less effective

 
I like the idea of having random stats. It makes it worth it to keep crafting/looking for gear even when you find Q6 stuff. The problem I'm having is very bad luck when it comes to armor. I'm going with a heavy armor build currently. I'm wearing between Q3 and Q4 Iron Armor and can't find anything better. I crafted a set of Q5 Iron Armor and it was all worse. I'm finding Steel Armor while looting and from the trader but it is still worse. I understand why the different levels of Iron Armor would be better or worse but I would think that steel armor would automatically be better. Doesn't seem like much of a reason to get steel armor over iron armor if it will be the same armor rating. I could be mistaken and maybe I'm just having a bad set of armors to compare. Is anyone else having the same or better luck than I am currently?
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Six page thread on this topic here: https://7daystodie.com/forums/showthread.php?130618-Random-Stat-Implementation

TL;DR: You are far from alone, but they want this this way and don't see a problem with it.

 
Six page thread on this topic here: https://7daystodie.com/forums/showthread.php?130618-Random-Stat-Implementation
TL;DR: You are far from alone, but they want this this way and don't see a problem with it.
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As far as I remember, there was no official statement on this topic. I was mostly the guy who argued that it gave a more... varied gameplay then just stepping up a tier and becoming instantly better.

To OP:

There is no steel armor that is worse than an iron armor :D

But I get your point. It can be quite frustrating. But maybe your T3 iron armor is just so awesome that you got a Q6 like very early on? ;) So then you got used to this good quality and now cant find better stuff?

 
I think it's cool you can find a piece of top end Q5 gear that's better than "run of the mill" Q6 gear. It adds variety.

 
As far as I remember, there was no official statement on this topic. I was mostly the guy who argued that it gave a more... varied gameplay then just stepping up a tier and becoming instantly better.
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Gazz dismissed my concern, ignored my potential solution, and declined to explain what we were seeing in the XML. Gazz is a TFP employee...that's pretty official...working as intended.

 
I think it's cool you can find a piece of top end Q5 gear that's better than "run of the mill" Q6 gear. It adds variety.
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Do you think it is cool that you can find a Q1 item that is better than your Q6?

According to the other thread, items' tier does not affect base stats, it only affects mod slots, sell price and durability. Everything else is RNG. So your Q1 Shotgun has the same potential damage range as your Q6 Shotgun.

I find that laughably embarrassing.

Also this means there is NO POINT WHATSOEVER in crafting, except to sell. It's just a waste of resources. Looting is officially strictly superior for yielding top tier items.

 
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Do you think it is cool that you can find a Q1 item that is better than your Q6?
According to the other thread, items' tier does not affect base stats, it only affects mod slots, sell price and durability. Everything else is RNG. So your Q1 Shotgun has the same potential damage range as your Q6 Shotgun.

I find that laughably embarrassing.

Also this means there is NO POINT WHATSOEVER in crafting, except to sell. It's just a waste of resources. Looting is officially strictly superior for yielding top tier items.
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The other thread is incorrect, here is an example from the xmls outlining one example of how the item tier affects the stats:

<passive_effect name="EntityDamage" operation="perc_add" value=".1,.5" tier="2,6"/> <!-- tier bonus -->

 
Do you think it is cool that you can find a Q1 item that is better than your Q6?
According to the other thread, items' tier does not affect base stats, it only affects mod slots, sell price and durability. Everything else is RNG. So your Q1 Shotgun has the same potential damage range as your Q6 Shotgun.

I find that laughably embarrassing.

Also this means there is NO POINT WHATSOEVER in crafting, except to sell. It's just a waste of resources. Looting is officially strictly superior for yielding top tier items.
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Weapon damage does appear to be impacted by QL

From the pump shotgun

<passive_effect name="EntityDamage" operation="perc_add" value=".1,.5" tier="2,6"/>

 
Weapon damage does appear to be impacted by QL
From the pump shotgun

<passive_effect name="EntityDamage" operation="perc_add" value=".1,.5" tier="2,6"/>
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haha beat you to it ;)

block damage example:

<passive_effect name="BlockDamage" operation="perc_add" value=".1,.5" tier="2,6"/> <!-- tier bonus -->

 
The other thread is incorrect, here is an example from the xmls outlining one example of how the item tier
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The other thread was referring to armor value which does not appear to be impacted by QL

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haha beat you to it ;)
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Hah, you did.... dang it!

 
I wonder who is making this stuff up "in the other thread".

Are these people even talking about A18 or some mod?

And yes, armor rating can not scale very much.

We had exactly that in A17 and everyone agreed that low quality armor with low perks was useless.

If people are suggesting to make early armor useless again then... sorry. Not happening.

 
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The other thread was referring to armor value which does not appear to be impacted by QL
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Hah, you did.... dang it!
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I was just going off Ghost's statement, I did not peruse the other thread.

 
I wonder who is making this stuff up "in the other thread".Are these people even talking about A18 or some mod?

And yes, armor rating can not scale very much.

We had exactly that in A17 and everyone agreed that low quality armor with low perks was useless.

If people are suggesting to make early armor useless again then... sorry. Not happening.
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Spell it out clearly in the XML text document next time ;) slacker

 
And yes, armor rating can not scale very much.We had exactly that in A17 and everyone agreed that low quality armor with low perks was useless.

If people are suggesting to make early armor useless again then... sorry. Not happening.
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People are peeved about the armor Tiers not improving in their primary function. This stems from design choice problem, with the "Armor rating = damage reduction percentage" equation. You have 6 different types of armors, with armor types, requiring them to logically be split into at least 4 categories (making padded worst, and steel best, the others could overlap in pairs by design)

Target value range 0-90 point reduction, five pieces to sum: free range 0-18 per piece.

Armor with 0 would be quite odd, so, 1-18.

Giving each of the 4 minimum categories their own range to vary in, you'll only have 4 points left to randomize AND tier.

Choosing a different AR system, as most games have, would enable more variance.

Say AR = percentage of Time to Live added.

That takes a bit of math to create, but the jist is this

At 0 armor, 100 health, you'll live 10 seconds against an enemy.

At 100 armor, 100 health, you'll live +100% longer, ie 20 seconds

at 1000 armor, 100 hp, you'll live +1000%, ie 110 seconds

Essentially infinitely increasable, with the added benefit of having each point of armor being exactly as valuable.

Harder to read, but a lot more usable.

 
Do you think it is cool that you can find a Q1 item that is better than your Q6?
According to the other thread, items' tier does not affect base stats, it only affects mod slots, sell price and durability. Everything else is RNG. So your Q1 Shotgun has the same potential damage range as your Q6 Shotgun.

I find that laughably embarrassing.

Also this means there is NO POINT WHATSOEVER in crafting, except to sell. It's just a waste of resources. Looting is officially strictly superior for yielding top tier items.
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I think that's a misconception. Based on the limited xmls that I looked at, q1 items dont get any bonus stats vs t2-t6.

Edit: my observation is with wpns, havent looked at armors. Apologizes if its different.

 
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