PC "Reinforced cement doesn't downgrade to cement"

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Does that mean it just breaks now? Because the fact that it downgraded to cement was the best thing about it, it gave you a chance to save the wall before it totally caved in! If you have to craft a whole new block and try to place it while zombies are reaching through, well that's game over!

 
With voxels blocks losing value like the Dow Jones, I can start to imagine that TFP want to do a Non-voxel game after 2019.

Get people into the thinking that voxel games are history (that or send them back to Minecraft).

The world wonders.

 
This is the new situation with block hit points and upgrade/downgrade paths as of A17 b208:

Wood Frame (50 hp) <-> Wood Block (225 hp) <->RWood Block (225 hp) <-> RWood metal reinforced (300 hp) | 850 hp total (50 hp increase)

Scrap iron frame (100 hp) <-> Iron block (1000 hp) <-> RIron Block (1000 hp) | 2100 hp total (unchanged)

Flagstone (500 hp) -> Cobblestone (1500 hp) (unchanged)

Bricks (1200 hp) (unchanged)

RIron/Cobble/Bricks ->Concrete Block (2500 hp)/Rebar frame ->RConcrete Block (5000 hp) <-> Steel Block (7000 hp) | 12000 hp total (7000 hp decrease)

Stainless Steel blocks can not be achieved by players anymore (Steel polish is removed) and have changed to have 10000 hp, can be repaired with regular forged steel and downgrade to Rconcrete, totalling to 15k hp.

I'm not really sure, I assume the nerf of top materials is to make them less OP in comparison to lower tier materials.

I don't agree with removing the downgrade from Rconcrete to concrete as well.

The 20% increase of the wood upgrade path seems insignificant at first sight.

I wonder what's the balancing goal of this and how much zombie damage will be tweaked.

Would love to hear a bit of an explanation from the devs here as I/we can only make assumptions and don't have "the greater picture" in mind.

 
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It wasn't in the patch notes, but I've been looking through the XML files, and it appears the damage zombies make against blocks has decreased. So these block HP changes were probably to balance that.

 
It wasn't in the patch notes, but I've been looking through the XML files, and it appears the damage zombies make against blocks has decreased. So these block HP changes were probably to balance that.
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Any idea of the new values compared to the old ones from b199 by any chance?

 
It wasn't in the patch notes, but I've been looking through the XML files, and it appears the damage zombies make against blocks has decreased. So these block HP changes were probably to balance that.
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There is a note in the patch file about zombie block damage:

Lower quality materials like wood are 20% more durable against zombies

 
There is a note in the patch file about zombie block damage:
Lower quality materials like wood are 20% more durable against zombies
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It also said they changed vulture attack delay but the values in items/xml for its "weapon" seem unchanged

<item name="meleeHandAnimalZombieVulture">

<property name="Extends" value="meleeHandMaster"/>

<property name="CreativeMode" value="None"/>

<property name="HoldType" value="35"/>

<property class="Action0">

<property name="Delay" value="0.7"/> <!-- obsolete if rounds per minute exists -->

<property name="DamageEntity" value="8"/>

<property name="DamageBlock" value="8"/>

<property name="Buff" value="buffInjuryBleeding,buffIllInfection0"/>

</property>

 
It also said they changed vulture attack delay but the values in items/xml for its "weapon" seem unchanged
<item name="meleeHandAnimalZombieVulture">

<property name="Extends" value="meleeHandMaster"/>

<property name="CreativeMode" value="None"/>

<property name="HoldType" value="35"/>

<property class="Action0">

<property name="Delay" value="0.7"/> <!-- obsolete if rounds per minute exists -->

<property name="DamageEntity" value="8"/>

<property name="DamageBlock" value="8"/>

<property name="Buff" value="buffInjuryBleeding,buffIllInfection0"/>

</property>
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Well, I definitely haven't gone through the new XML's yet, so I couldn't confirm or deny that. Are you sure the XML was overwritten by the update?

 
Not just against wood, actually I haven't seen how they did the wood bit - however the new values for zombie block damage seem to be a lot better. The following list has the attacks zombies can do, from the b199 file and the b208 file - note this is block damage only not entity damage:

meleeHandZombie01 - old: 20, new: 16

meleeHandZombie02Feral - old: 40, new: 32

meleeHandZombieCop - old: 250, new: 200

meleeHandZombieCopFeral - old 500, new: 220

meleeHandZombieFeral - old: 40, new: 32

meleeHandZombieFootballPlayerFeral - old: 40, new: 32

meleeHandZombieHazMatFeral - old: 40, new: 32

meleeHandZombieStripperFeral - old: 40, new: 32

meleeHandZombieStrong - old: 50, new: 40

meleeHandZombieStrongFeral - old: 100, new: 80

meleeHandZombieWorker - old: 100, new: 80

meleeHandZombieWorkerFeral - old: 250, new: 200

You can easily see from that the zombies you should concentrate on for horde night, they definitely have a couple a tank zombies there.

 
Does that mean it just breaks now? Because the fact that it downgraded to cement was the best thing about it, it gave you a chance to save the wall before it totally caved in! If you have to craft a whole new block and try to place it while zombies are reaching through, well that's game over!
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Having gone into creative mode to find out, yes. The block no longer downgrades, it's destroyed completely.

 
Well, the problem in this alpha is that they are killing the base defenses.

Now u cant spend hours in create a great base with great defenses, because the zombies destroy every building in seconds, and they removed the log spikes, thing that i see as a GREAT mistake

 
But that's NOT how it was in a16. I'm confused.
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The thing is, if you upgraded the block from flagstone to concrete to reinforced concrete, it would downgrade.

If you built it out of rebar in the first place, it wouldn't.

It was like the block remembered how it was built.

 
Oh, I'm so confused now. So is it supposed to downgrade or not?

What if you build it out of wet cement block?

Rebar frame has always been a head scratcher for me too, if we're building the concrete with rebar, then it IS reinforced concrete. Rebar is short for reinforcing bar.

 
The thing is, if you upgraded the block from flagstone to concrete to reinforced concrete, it would downgrade.
If you built it out of rebar in the first place, it wouldn't.

It was like the block remembered how it was built.
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Are you talking A16 or A17 here. It's hard to keep all this straight.

 
The thing is, if you upgraded the block from flagstone to concrete to reinforced concrete, it would downgrade.
If you built it out of rebar in the first place, it wouldn't.

It was like the block remembered how it was built.
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Nope, That's flat out wrong. If you placed it as rebar it would still downgrade to regular concrete in A16.

 
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