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Proposed Reorganization of Game Modification Forum - Respectful Input Welcomed

(..) The term modlet was created by very early adopters, so additionally it's a respectful "tip of the hat" to the folks who worked behind the scenes to help make this functionality available to all of us in A17.
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Yes, but the term MOD and MODS was made way, way before them :D

while things like: [Modlet] or maybe [XMOD] would be better to have to distinguish, I think we still should use the term [MOD], however my proposition in regards to forums:

Crate a new sub forum called "Legacy Mods" or "Mods (Legacy)" or something like that, put every single mod up to this date there. Then you have a blank slate for new mods for A17 and onward and we can keep using the term [MOD], it's shorter than MODLET and less confusing for new people.

There is only a handful of new mods for A17, you can keep them in the Mods category section. This change should be done soon, otherwise it will be more work to do something about it.

 
Initially, I was against the term modlet, having modded games for decades, the old terminology seemed to be best. However, that all changed after I saw the difference between what we are calling a modlet and what a tradiitonal mod is. Being that modlets are easily stackable and easily installed, and users are not all knowing entities, I think they need to be differentiated from mods that alter the core files, which may not themselves be overhauls.

while things like: [Modlet] or maybe [XMOD] would be better to have to distinguish, I think we still should use the term [MOD],
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I think modlet fits better for the average user, perhaps not what the modder wants.

however my proposition in regards to forums: Crate a new sub forum called "Legacy Mods" or "Mods (Legacy)" or something like that, put every single mod up to this date there. Then you have a blank slate for new mods for A17 and onward...
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With how many mods and modlets are out there, I don't think a flatout fresh slate is appropriate at this point.

...and we can keep using the term [MOD], it's shorter than MODLET and less confusing for new people.
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I am sorry, but not differentiating between things that are easily stackable and things that aren't would be VERY confusing for anyone looking on the forums.

There is only a handful of new mods for A17, you can keep them in the Mods category section. This change should be done soon, otherwise it will be more work to do something about it.
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You must have some very large hands, because there are literally dozens of new mods and modlets in A17 on the forums. :D
Just my 2 cents, your mileage may vary.

 
Initially, I was against the term modlet, having modded games for decades, the old terminology seemed to be best. However, that all changed after I saw the difference between what we are calling a modlet and what a tradiitonal mod is. Being that modlets are easily stackable and easily installed, and users are not all knowing entities, I think they need to be differentiated from mods that alter the core files, which may not themselves be overhauls.
I think modlet fits better for the average user, perhaps not what the modder wants.

With how many mods and modlets are out there, I don't think a flatout fresh slate is appropriate at this point.

I am sorry, but not differentiating between things that are easily stackable and things that aren't would be VERY confusing for anyone looking on the forums.

You must have some very large hands, because there are literally dozens of new mods and modlets in A17 on the forums. :D

Just my 2 cents, your mileage may vary.
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Going with elucidus here as well. Someone else is not being very fair in thinking. just my 2 cent’r

 
I think it might be too late to just move all the contents of the current mods thread into a legacy thread and "start fresh". Way to many A17 mods now to have to sort out and move back. The old stuff will float to the bottom so there may not be much of an advantage anyway. But it's a fair point, and I will check to see what is the least amount of work needed to sort that out. Problem is the current mods forum is an ugly mix of discussions, requests, mods, overhauls, etc,. Probably more discussions and requests than mods . Thats why I thought dumping all that into discussion and requests made more sense.

 
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What's your ETA for these changes?
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Was yesterday, but want to hear all input before moving forward. Monday at the latest for submitting the change request to forum admin. I hope.

 
Submitted change request. Not sure how long before they go into effect. Maybe next forum maintenance window whenever that is. Thank you all for your input and for your future patience while threads are moved around.

 
Modders with more than 1 mod will be asked to index their mods into a single post. While no specific format for the index post is required, there are several examples of good formats out there by folks like Guppy, Jax (and many others) that you can copy.
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Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but I don't see the need to require this. Who the author of a mod is isn't more important than what the mod itself is, at least to me. In other words, I'd rather see a list of mod titles than a list of modder names. A modder should at least have the option of letting each mod they make stand on its own in its own thread, and not be consolidated with their other works if they don't want it to be.

 
Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but I don't see the need to require this. Who the author of a mod is isn't more important than what the mod itself is, at least to me. In other words, I'd rather see a list of mod titles than a list of modder names. A modder should at least have the option of letting each mod they make stand on its own in its own thread, and not be consolidated with their other works if they don't want it to be.
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The problem with that is clutter. Me alone, I have over 15 plus modlets listed. If I made one post for each mod I would have a page to myself. Now add in 5 other modders, all with bumped replies etc. Its hard enough finding posts in here, but recently its been much worse.

Cataloging them n one post is more efficient, lets modders post when updates are made and is easier for readers to look through in an opening post rather than scattered modlets spread across 20 pages.

Sorry Im late to the party Xyth but tossing my YAY in on the changes. Sounds good.

 
The problem with that is clutter. Me alone, I have over 15 plus modlets listed. If I made one post for each mod I would have a page to myself. Now add in 5 other modders, all with bumped replies etc. Its hard enough finding posts in here, but recently its been much worse.
Cataloging them n one post is more efficient, lets modders post when updates are made and is easier for readers to look through in an opening post rather than scattered modlets spread across 20 pages.

Sorry Im late to the party Xyth but tossing my YAY in on the changes. Sounds good.
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To be clear, I wouldn't forbid an index thread for modders that think that works for them, but I wouldn't require it either. It would suck for big mods: for instance if everyone browsing for Ravenhearst had to know or determine that it's a JaxTeller718 mod to find it. They could run a search, but that's bypassing the list of mods such that organization wouldn't matter anyway.

Basically, an index doesn't make sense in cases where a mod has made a bigger name for itself than the modder. While few 'big-name' mods compatible with A17 are out now, I fully expect that to change.

Once all the mod threads are separated from the discussion and request threads, that alone should make it much easier to find a mod. Even if I'm looking for a small modlet among many, seeing a list of "Jane's Modlets, Kim's Modlets, Larry's Modlets" doesn't help me find a bigger backpack mod or whatever I'm looking for the modlet to do.

 
To be clear, I wouldn't forbid an index thread for modders that think that works for them, but I wouldn't require it either. It would suck for big mods: for instance if everyone browsing for Ravenhearst had to know or determine that it's a JaxTeller718 mod to find it. They could run a search, but that's bypassing the list of mods such that organization wouldn't matter anyway.
Basically, an index doesn't make sense in cases where a mod has made a bigger name for itself than the modder. While few 'big-name' mods compatible with A17 are out now, I fully expect that to change.

Once all the mod threads are separated from the discussion and request threads, that alone should make it much easier to find a mod. Even if I'm looking for a small modlet among many, seeing a list of "Jane's Modlets, Kim's Modlets, Larry's Modlets" doesn't help me find a bigger backpack mod or whatever I'm looking for the modlet to do.
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You missed a step lol. The overhaul mod(let)s will have a thread of their own.

Whereas single modlets by a modder is in a separate section thus requiring modders to place all their single mods into 1 post

 
Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but I don't see the need to require this. Who the author of a mod is isn't more important than what the mod itself is, at least to me. In other words, I'd rather see a list of mod titles than a list of modder names. A modder should at least have the option of letting each mod they make stand on its own in its own thread, and not be consolidated with their other works if they don't want it to be.
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I wrote "Modders with more than 1 mod will be asked to index their mods into a single post.", emphasis on "ask". I don't plan on enforcing it because, as you suggest, some folks might want it that way. I do think most mossers with multiple mods will choose to do an index though, if not just to make their lives easier.

 
It'll be nice when this finally happens. Right now it's hard to find anything or see what's going on anywhere. I think your arrangement is going to work out nicely.

 
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