Moldy Bread
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Wow, more people agreed with me then I thought. Yea, learning how to boil an egg by killing zombies? And they say weapon parts were unrealistic...
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PC Perks System and Level Gates
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Roland
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I appreciate your joke that the only people who voted they like it is the Fun Pimp staff. But misquoting me like that is very misleading since I have posted that I do not in fact like how they are currently implemented. Following the link back to the post you used shows that I did not say that and in fact have never said that.
I actually voted I prefer no level gates but since voting have rethunk my position and I do think that a mild form of level gating can be good. But I left my vote as is since it's moot. They will not be giving up on level gates although they will be working to get them balanced and working with each other better.
Royal Deluxe
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ohh sorry if that looked this way.
I edited the quote.
Must have over seen it because of all that froozen perspiration in my encumbered eyes :smile-new:
I edited the quote.
Must have over seen it because of all that froozen perspiration in my encumbered eyes :smile-new:
giKoN
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Given the three options regarding level gates I decided to vote for "no level gates at all". Even though - I do think there should be level gates.
But: I prefer how level gates are implemented now - I definitely don't since everything is double gated and the gates don't really have logical interdependency.
I prefer adjusting the gates up to lower levels but keeping them - no. its not about how easy they are to breach.
I prefer no level gates at all. - this comes the closest to what I would like. I do think some certain milestones should unlock a certain amount of additional perks - but more precisely - i do think that milestones from learning by doing should enable you to learn more complex recipes etc.
I mean - as a teenager I read a lot of recipes to cook for myself when my parents weren't home - i'd screw them up and eat pizza. But by cooking the easier things more and more often I was able to understand what the more complex recipes actually meant and how the food is cooked. So now I'm far better at it (before I order a pizza).
My other votes:
a) combination of points & autoincrease
b) Wellness from actively taking care of your body (food & vitamines)
c) discussed above
d) no answer since I like both and its the easiest thing to mod during a running game if you end up not liking having too few points. Being able to achieve everything might however kill individualization - so i'd rather start with too few points and then increase as easy fix with complaints.
But: I prefer how level gates are implemented now - I definitely don't since everything is double gated and the gates don't really have logical interdependency.
I prefer adjusting the gates up to lower levels but keeping them - no. its not about how easy they are to breach.
I prefer no level gates at all. - this comes the closest to what I would like. I do think some certain milestones should unlock a certain amount of additional perks - but more precisely - i do think that milestones from learning by doing should enable you to learn more complex recipes etc.
I mean - as a teenager I read a lot of recipes to cook for myself when my parents weren't home - i'd screw them up and eat pizza. But by cooking the easier things more and more often I was able to understand what the more complex recipes actually meant and how the food is cooked. So now I'm far better at it (before I order a pizza).
My other votes:
a) combination of points & autoincrease
b) Wellness from actively taking care of your body (food & vitamines)
c) discussed above
d) no answer since I like both and its the easiest thing to mod during a running game if you end up not liking having too few points. Being able to achieve everything might however kill individualization - so i'd rather start with too few points and then increase as easy fix with complaints.
Roland
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My level is bliss. More people should come to my level and just enjoy the ride of development. I've gotten my money's worth from PLAYING the various versions of this game and now my enjoyment is seeing where the developers go next. Sure there are things that I don't agree with but I point them out calmly and then leave it in the hands of the developers. Nobody was more disappointed than I when ziplines were dropped but it's not worth making a scene over or acting outraged and treating something planned as something promised to me personally.
I invite everyone to join me and relax and joke around a bit. It's all in good fun unless you've set this game or certain features up as some sort of a sacred golden calf. If you've said your piece and seen others agree and there's lots of support for what you want then you've done all you can so stop crying about stuff and looking to be offended and look for positives instead. The devs are aware of the major hot topics and they'll either change it the way you like or they won't.
Contrary to conspiracy theorists they NEVER feel pressured to make changes by any small loud and abnoxious and yet strangely super influential faction of the player base. They take into consideration the feedback but ultimately design what THEY want in their game and they are supremely copacetic with those who hate it deciding to mod it the way they want or to move along to another game. It is the natural behavior of gamers in the wild, after all, to eventually move on. Only with games like this one do we see people stating they're quitting after 3000 hrs of entertainment and trying to cast it as though it's a bad thing....
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PoppaTot
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I agree with everything you've said except for what I've bolded, and that I do atleast partially agree. I too tend to get a bit personal with things I have no control over, but I think that is just human nature. Some do it more, some do it less.... so on, and so forth. I just need to step back for a breather sometimes and then it's okie-dokie again lol. Now, with the bolded section. I agree that 3k+ hours into a game is definitely getting your money's worth, but it is always a bad thing when those hardcore players decide to leave based on decisions of devs. I look at it like this, those people put almost half a calendar year of their lives into playing a product that you put out, now they are leaving and stating a game that was fun to them for that long is "no longer fun". That should atleast raise some red flags whether they are right or wrong is debatable. But as you said, the devs know the hot topics and will adjust (or not) as they see fit.
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ivailogeimara
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What to vote if I want for example most of the A17 system but the main attributes to be leveled by doing? There is no such option. The choice is between A16 system that sux (Craft 99999 stone axes (yeah!!!!!! very fun) or shoot 3000 pistol rounds then shoot 3000 ak rounds because you are only good with pistols and not riffles (kinda realistic but not good for a game)) and A17 system that some parts of it sux (main attributes being leveled by points) but for the most part is OK.
Maybe A16 system has better modding potential (I don't remember. Haven't played it for 6 months.). I guess I'll vote for that.
Maybe A16 system has better modding potential (I don't remember. Haven't played it for 6 months.). I guess I'll vote for that.
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I would argue that although crafting all those stone axes wasn't great, at least there was some gameplay involved. You still have to collect the materials for them. You were rewarded for doing it.
How about making those stone axes give 0 xp after a certain point, same with iron. How about merging tools into the same skill as melee weapons giving you more options to level the skill. Have steel require coal to produce and steel tools take a long time to make (20mins, you can go do something else while they are crafting), the higher your skill the quicker they craft using less resources. Repairing tools removes durability but not performance, tool eventually breaks. Anyone can make an iron or steel tools/weapons, without increasing the skill it takes them longer, uses more resources and the tool/weapon isn't quite as good. If you aren't wanting to increase that skill you will most likely be benefiting from other skills.
In a17, how many bullets/arrows would you have fired to get level 100 and the max gun skills?
Not a fan of this suggestion for the same reason i cannot stand the harvest system: it spoils the gameplay for me when items cost vastly diffrent ammounts to cost per person based on an XP gauge, would much rather see things always be the same crafting cost regardless of level or 'perks' (still dont see stripping the player of something and then locking it behind an XP wall as a 'perk' system).
For modders A17 is like the first Doom was for the shooter genre, I believe.
1) a vastly better and more general buff system
2) and the ability to add your own variables to entities
3) and the ability to add mods without overwriting the original xml files or mangle over other mods. Just look into the mod section and see all kinds of small mods (called modlets) that only modify a single feature. And you can install many of them without them interfering with each other.
No comparison with the stone age of A16 really if you only look at the modding systems.
StompyNZ
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yes
Code:
<configs>
<set xpath="/progression/level/@max_level">500</set>
<set xpath="/progression/level/@exp_to_level">8500</set>
<set xpath="/progression/level/@experience_multiplier">1.005</set>
<set xpath="/progression/level/@skill_points_per_level">5</set>
<set xpath="/progression/attributes/@cost_multiplier_per_level">1.5</set>
<set xpath="/progression/perks/@cost_multiplier_per_level">1.5</set>
<set xpath="//level_requirements/requirement[@name='PlayerLevel']/@value">1</set>
</configs>attributes cost 2,3,5,7,11,17,25,38,57
perks are 1,2,3,5,7
a minor quirk is the shown numbers for cost dont show the correct value in all places (it does on the buy section) and tooltips are not updated for attribute player levels. also if you have 1 pt and a perk costs 2 it still lets you click buy and makes the buy sound but nothing else happens so not a big deal.
Maybe someone can offer advice on how to look at this differently, but a problem I believe I've seen with the way Max Stamina is tied to Food % in A17 is that the more filling foods are not as useful (early on?), since no one would want to allow their stamina to drop to the point where something like a Meat Stew (what you might consider a full meal, IMO) would be justified.
This to me suggests that the correlation between the two should not be so direct, but that food should have a bit of a buffer before it starts to effect stamina--something between A16 and A17.
This to me suggests that the correlation between the two should not be so direct, but that food should have a bit of a buffer before it starts to effect stamina--something between A16 and A17.